Current salary situation - one more roster spot

[Boneman2]

I know he is not popular but what about Tyrus Thomas?

If he would accept a one year minimum deal he might be worth it.

[Scoot McGroot]

I wouldn't nitpick over a 15th roster spot minimum salaried guy.

[mikepacernation]

We could keep lance PG and DG. Paul is gonna be a Max player Granger I feel like he maybe would take a big pay cut and lance isn't anywhere near a Max contract. So get ride of the 7 mill from green I think the pacer would be in shape to keep all 3 of them

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[Scoot McGroot]

We could keep lance PG and DG. Paul is gonna be a Max player Granger I feel like he maybe would take a big pay cut and lance isn't anywhere near a Max contract. So get ride of the 7 mill from green I think the pacer would be in shape to keep all 3 of them

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Unfortunately, probably not. Dumping Lance's salary would leave us with about $6-7m under the tax line. Essentially, you'd need Danny to take a minimum deal to get Lance back on an MLE sized deal. I don't see Danny taking that much of a cut unless the knee just completely goes this year and he just wants to be here until he retires. That would still take a lot, though.

Lance has made very little money over his 4 years when local and "jock" taxes and agent fees are factored in. He needs to make as much as he can on this deal for his future self and comfort. Depending on his play this year, I imagine it'll take $5-8m to re-sign him. Unfortunately, he's also likely to get a crazy offer from someone in free agency in the belief that he's been held back as the 5th option here.

[Boneman2]

It might be in Lance's best interest to resign with Indy at this point, even if it's for 1-2 mill less per season. Sure this deal is important in terms of future stability, but in his case the next one he signs can set his great-grandkids up. I can't think of a better place for him to drive up his value just before his prime. There is definitely no guarantee that Lance can exist anyplace else. Larry Bird, Simon, Vogel and the players have fostered and cuddled his emotions from the beginning.

His agent better be thankful that our organization produced a respectable client for him is all I'm saying.

Say someone offers 4/28, then he'd be wise to accept 4/24 here knowing that playing for a contender in an environment he is comfortable with will only enhance the value of his 3rd contract. If he performs here he could get 10-13 mill on his 3rd deal anywhere, but if he were to go to a bad situation for just a couple extra million then said deal could be 2yr/ 6million. Essentially, he'd be risking $40 million by leaving the Pacers.

[mikepacernation]

Everyone always said moneys gonna be the problem with signing all the young talent the Pacers have. Maybe Solo will step up and take over Grangers position if he leave next summer

[Scoot McGroot]

It might be in Lance's best interest to resign with Indy at this point, even if it's for 1-2 mill less per season. Sure this deal is important in terms of future stability, but in his case the next one he signs can set his great-grandkids up. I can't think of a better place for him to drive up his value just before his prime. There is definitely no guarantee that Lance can exist anyplace else. Larry Bird, Simon, Vogel and the players have fostered and cuddled his emotions from the beginning.

His agent better be thankful that our organization produced a respectable client for him is all I'm saying.

Say someone offers 4/28, then he'd be wise to accept 4/24 here knowing that playing for a contender in an environment he is comfortable with will only enhance the value of his 3rd contract. If he performs here he could get 10-13 mill on his 3rd deal anywhere, but if he were to go to a bad situation for just a couple extra million then said deal could be 2yr/ 6million. Essentially, he'd be risking $40 million by leaving the Pacers.

Who's to say he gets a 3rd contract? What if he tears his knee and ends his career? That extra $5-10 million would make a huge difference.

Players may take a discount on their 3rd contract. Almost never on their 2nd (or 1st non-rookie contract) contract.

[Boneman2]

In Lance's situation his second contract will not be his most profitable because teams are not ready to throw crazy offers his way. Not until he proves his character is no longer a concern. Sure he's been fine with the Pacers, but will another organization risk overpaying if they aren't certain he will thrive in their system. I just don't see anyone offering him 8-10 million Scoot, not after next season anyway.

Bottom-line if Lance makes it through his second contract then he will have proven his worth and will be paid accordingly. In this instance it would be wise staying in a familiar environment. It's a bit of a gamble on his part but the reward could be huge.

I just don't think a lot of franchises are equipped to deal with his emotions like we are.

[Scoot McGroot]

I respectfully disagree. After his second contract, you'll have 4-5 more years of younger swingman in the league to take his money. Plus, there's a lot more risk to giving up money in hope that you make more another 4-5years down the road.

I also don't think that Lance will be a first tier free agent, but that somebody like Dallas will overpay after Lebron stays in Miami, Carmelo in NY, Kobe in LA, etc. teams will have money and want to spend it. I think that Lance has improved enough and be alluring enough that someone will think that we're holding him back and that he can score more if given a top 2-3 option spot elsewhere. I just don't think that lance and his agent are going to say "Hmm, we could make $30m elsewhere, but I think if we work underpaid again, give up $10m, that we'll make so much more from age 28-32 in contracts to make up for it and top it". Agents maximize money and know that you can't assume that all will be better in 3-4 years. Injuries, bad coaches, bad friends, etc. could all pop up and eliminate any chance at another contract. Look back. What players in recent history have given up money on their 2nd contract? They all maximize income on the 2nd contract and then Possibly take discounts on the 3rd deal when they realize that they're lucky and playing much longer careers than the average NBA player ever does.

Ideally, I'd love for him to take less. It'd be great for us. Ultimately, I just think it'd be financially negative for Lance.

[OnFire]

speaking of roster spots,i was wondering
if we could've gone after Nick Young and/or
Byron Mullens – considering what they
signed for with LAL and LAC, respectively.

that'd be a rangy, firepower-filled bench,
considering their reputation for putting
the ball in the hole.

plus i remember seeing somewhere in
this thread before that Young and
Paul George used to work out together
in the offseason.

[Scoot McGroot]

Possibly. I'm not sure if they took a little less to play in the big markets of LA or if hats just their pure market value. Either way, there's a reason they signed for so cheap. Nick is one of the most selfish SGs in the NBA and is a very unwilling defender. Mullens is a scorer and a willing, but unable defender. Copeland will be a better shooting, yet slightly smaller version of Mullens. Except Cope may play just as big and strong as Mullens.

[Boneman2]

Kobe will display to Nick a whole new level of selfishness.

[Scoot McGroot]

Ultimately, Kobe takes a lot of shots there because he's their best player. I don't think it's necessarily selfishness, though. The guy still hands out almost 5 assists a night, on average, and in a manner that's in the flow of games. Heck, he made it seem like guys like Tyronn Lue and Smush Parker were decent players in the NBA. That takes some sort of team-spirit.

[Boneman2]

Kobe is absolutely the most selfish player I have ever seen. Seriously, even before he was drafted he exuded an extreme case of selfishness when he declared that if any other team besides LAL drafted him, then he would play in Europe.

Remember all the controversy surrounding Kobe in his All-Star debut?

Not to mention he constantly feuds with other perceived threats that could affect his legacy (Shaq/Pau/Howard).

My favorite Kobe moment is when Reggie snatched him up. Made me .

Nick Young has got nothing on him.

[Scoot McGroot]

Kobe is absolutely the most selfish player I have ever seen. Seriously, even before he was drafted he exuded an extreme case of selfishness when he declared that if any other team besides LAL drafted him, then he would play in Europe.

Remember all the controversy surrounding Kobe in his All-Star debut?

Not to mention he constantly feuds with other perceived threats that could affect his legacy (Shaq/Pau/Howard).

My favorite Kobe moment is when Reggie snatched him up. Made me .

Nick Young has got nothing on him.

I don't necessarily view it as selfish if he's just so much better than the rest. He's done a decent job of trying to include everyone he's played with, except for the year where his next option was Chris Mihm. Kobe may be selfish, but he can back it up.

Nick Young, however, is a selfish ball hog who cannot back it up. I'll leave it up to you to decide which you view as a bigger evil. I'll take Kobe on my team any day of the week.

[Moooose]

With Miles gone and 13 players on board, I think adding an insurance 3rd string legit center could be the next move. Scola is not a center and I don't see Vogel giving him even occasional minutes at the position. I'm thinking of undrafted rookies like Jack Cooley or Zeke Marshall.

[Jake0890]

I think with 13 players on roster we'll need another guy. Probably a backup center.

Who's available though?

[Wizop]

I think with 13 players on roster we'll need another guy. Probably a backup center.

Who's available though?

Oden

[Jake0890]

I think with 13 players on roster we'll need another guy. Probably a backup center.

Who's available though?

Oden

You can almost guarantee he'd prefer Miami (zero center depth) to Indiana (sitting behind Mahinmi).