Portland/Detroit trade

[sc8581]

now take your attitude back to middle school kid.

This kind of stuff does not fly on here ~ roc

Flies for him but not for the new guy huh?

[roc]

now take your attitude back to middle school kid.

This kind of stuff does not fly on here ~ roc

Flies for him but not for the new guy huh?

did he call you names?

it is allowed for nobody

attack the post and not the poster

and there is red text in one of his posts as well - no favoritism here

[Clarity]

I'm starting to get annoyed with the notion that we want to win now from other teams. We aren't winning the championship this year. Or next. We have 4 young players who need developing in KCP/Knight/Monroe/Drummond. WE DON'T NEED TO WIN NOW. We should not pursue moves to become a good team in exchange for giving up talent that will blossom later. (got it boston fans?) If all four of the guys I mentioned above develop correctly within the next 2 years, we will be a contender when you add in some of the vets like Chauncey, JSmoove, and some solid role players..

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[roc]

as has been said... we have zero shot at a title at the moment even though Joe D is looking to win now due him trying to keep his job.

Not sure if we even make playoffs as other teams are also on the rise. Can't wait to see how things play out.

[kurtis48239]

Ahhh,wish we could have seen dre/moose start together for more than 10 games.

[zeebneeb]

I don't care what his PER is, I actually watched the games and saw that he couldn't score against guys that were his size or bigger, he dominated guys that shouldn't have been on the floor and he got shut down against anybody with length and/or athleticism. That imo is inefficiency, especially when you consider how often he turns the ball over. It's well noted that he can't defend, his rebounding isn't necessary in this line-up, what exactly does he bring that wouldn't be immediately replaced by Drummond and Smith? I think he would make a really good 6th man but not for the money he will demand and we have holes to fill.

Oh okay that makes sense. It was your opinion of efficiency that you were basing your thoughts on. How silly of me to think you meant efficiency.

Are you sure he couldn't score against guys his size or bigger? You looked that up, right? Or are you basing it off your memory?

You know what? I'll take your word for it this time.

He was 18th among centers in FG% and ADJ FG% and 15th in PPS, those are the numbers that determine how efficient of a scorer a guy is correct? Thought so, now take your attitude back to middle school kid.

I thought it was FG%, and efficiency, is efficiency. You can always get different numbers to support a theory, but at the end of the day, we would be trading our leading scorer, our leading rebounder, and our most efficient player. That's not someone a team just gives up, "gets off a jock" from easily.

Your making it sound as if there is some deal out there, that Joe isn't pulling the trigger on.

If you want to come across the way you do in your post's, that's up to you. Ill come right back at you. And man do I wish I was that young again. Well, maybe not that young, you can say take your attitude back to highschool though.

[sc8581]

Oh okay that makes sense. It was your opinion of efficiency that you were basing your thoughts on. How silly of me to think you meant efficiency.

Are you sure he couldn't score against guys his size or bigger? You looked that up, right? Or are you basing it off your memory?

You know what? I'll take your word for it this time.

He was 18th among centers in FG% and ADJ FG% and 15th in PPS, those are the numbers that determine how efficient of a scorer a guy is correct? Thought so, now take your attitude back to middle school kid.

I thought it was FG%, and efficiency, is efficiency. You can always get different numbers to support a theory, but at the end of the day, we would be trading our leading scorer, our leading rebounder, and our most efficient player. That's not someone a team just gives up, "gets off a jock" from easily.

Your making it sound as if there is some deal out there, that Joe isn't pulling the trigger on.

If you want to come across the way you do in your post's, that's up to you. Ill come right back at you. And man do I wish I was that young again. Well, maybe not that young, you can say take your attitude back to highschool though.

Drummond had a higher PER so he's more efficient then right?

[zeebneeb]

He was 18th among centers in FG% and ADJ FG% and 15th in PPS, those are the numbers that determine how efficient of a scorer a guy is correct? Thought so, now take your attitude back to middle school kid.

I thought it was FG%, and efficiency, is efficiency. You can always get different numbers to support a theory, but at the end of the day, we would be trading our leading scorer, our leading rebounder, and our most efficient player. That's not someone a team just gives up, "gets off a jock" from easily.

Your making it sound as if there is some deal out there, that Joe isn't pulling the trigger on.

If you want to come across the way you do in your post's, that's up to you. Ill come right back at you. And man do I wish I was that young again. Well, maybe not that young, you can say take your attitude back to highschool though.

Drummond had a higher PER so he's more efficient then right?

Its harder to stay efficient the more minuets you play though. Its hard to trust certain stats under a certain amount of minuets.

At the end of the day, the Pistons have two legit bigmen, and I want to see how this front-court of Drummond/Monroe/Smith play together, before any trades happen. I honestly don't see how we wont have the largest rebounding differential in the league next year. That will win you games. Detroit will more then likely be the best rebounding team in the league next year. They were 13th overall last year, and 8th in offensive rebounding. Drummond getting starter min, and adding Smith, should be interesting.

I want to see it first, before any trades are made. No reason to trade a legit bigman, before you even see the team play together, right?

[mercury]

Aldridge can stretch the floor which creates room for everyone else... it's more than comparing the two players...
But if we must compare players DA is clearly a step above in refined skills... it's a bird in hand vs what Monroe may become.
Besides I want to hear Blaha say DA to AD for the slam!
and when they screw up "they must have ADD"

Yes I do this deal.

I'm having a hard time figuring out who DA is. I would assume you meant LA, but you wrote it twice as if it wasn't a mistake, and you also created a pun with the initials. Please enlighten me.

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It's a senior moment (just read a David Aldridge piece)... we just burb, fart and move on to pissing someone else off... gotta a problem with that west side city slicker

[The_Irony]

Whats with the age talk being a reason some fans dont want LMA

he's 5 months older than Rondo and i never heard anyone complaining about age in that instance.

[mercury]

I'm starting to get annoyed with the notion that we want to win now from other teams. We aren't winning the championship this year. Or next. We have 4 young players who need developing in KCP/Knight/Monroe/Drummond. WE DON'T NEED TO WIN NOW. We should not pursue moves to become a good team in exchange for giving up talent that will blossom later. (got it boston fans?) If all four of the guys I mentioned above develop correctly within the next 2 years, we will be a contender when you add in some of the vets like Chauncey, JSmoove, and some solid role players.

With that said, LMA is a talented PF and this is actually a legitimate discussion unlike 90% of the Monroe trade threads. Still don't want to trade Moose.

Gota to give ya this... it has made me reconsider my support for the deal.

[OneBadMutha]

LA has a style of game that will age well. He'll be playing at a high level for another 5-7 years due to his skill set. Same age as Josh Smith. That's a long time in the NBA.

LA is not only a better all around player now, I'd put money on him being a better player 5 years from now due to his length and pure skills.

He's a perfect compliment to Drummond and Smith unlike Monroe. He spaces things on offense and gives Detroit a 3rd rim protector on defense making it ridiculously impossible to beat Detroit in the paint. Right now w/ Monroe, there's still a chink in the armor defensively.

[OneBadMutha]

I'm agreeing w/ almost everything sc8581 has said. I think Pistons fans grossly over-rate Moose. With Drummond and Smith, a lot of what Moose does well, those other two do better. Smith has more potential as a facilitator and Drummond is going to be the main rebounder. Monroe doesn't bring much that will make life easier for either Drummond or Smith...and he's a liability defensively. The truth is, Portland would never do this trade unless they were afraid of losing LA for nothing...in which case Detroit would probably have less chance of keeping LA if he wants to go to a big market than Portland...so trade isn't happening. Despite it having almost no shot of happening, I think fans would be crazy to turn down a two way big man with great commentary skills to Drummond...who's in his prime.

[Clarity]

LA has a style of game that will age well. He'll be playing at a high level for another 5-7 years due to his skill set. Same age as Josh Smith. That's a long time in the NBA.

LA is not only a better all around player now, I'd put money on him being a better player 5 years from now due to his length and pure skills.

He's a perfect compliment to Drummond and Smith unlike Monroe. He spaces things on offense and gives Detroit a 3rd rim protector on defense making it ridiculously impossible to beat Detroit in the paint. Right now w/ Monroe, there's still a chink in the armor defensively.

Just so were clear Monroe is a perfect fit next to Drummond, I wasnt in favor of JS for this reason.

[Clarity]

I'm agreeing w/ almost everything sc8581 has said. I think Pistons fans grossly over-rate Moose. With Drummond and Smith, a lot of what Moose does well, those other two do better. Smith has more potential as a facilitator and Drummond is going to be the main rebounder. Monroe doesn't bring much that will make life easier for either Drummond or Smith...and he's a liability defensively. The truth is, Portland would never do this trade unless they were afraid of losing LA for nothing...in which case Detroit would probably have less chance of keeping LA if he wants to go to a big market than Portland...so trade isn't happening. Despite it having almost no shot of happening, I think fans would be crazy to turn down a two way big man with great commentary skills to Drummond...who's in his prime.

Portland would definitely be open to this trade, Monroe is a near All Star with a unique skill set who scores at the rim all while being 5 years from his prime.

Monroe is DEFINITELY not overrated, thats comical.

[Sheeeeed]

LA has a style of game that will age well. He'll be playing at a high level for another 5-7 years due to his skill set. Same age as Josh Smith. That's a long time in the NBA.

LA is not only a better all around player now, I'd put money on him being a better player 5 years from now due to his length and pure skills.

He's a perfect compliment to Drummond and Smith unlike Monroe. He spaces things on offense and gives Detroit a 3rd rim protector on defense making it ridiculously impossible to beat Detroit in the paint. Right now w/ Monroe, there's still a chink in the armor defensively.

Just so were clear Monroe is a perfect fit next to Drummond, I wasnt in favor of JS for this reason.

Maybe if he had a respectable jumpshot.

[ElectricMayhem]

It's a fair trade and I'm 50/50 on it. Props for coming in here with a decent trade. On the General Board, many people were mocking a Piston fan (I don't remember who it was) who offered Monroe / Stuckey / Future 1st for Aldridge. That's basically the same deal plus a first. Aldridge ranks about 10 places above Monroe for both efficiency and PER. It would definitely improve Detroit's talent level. He also fits better than Monroe, considering we just signed Josh Smith. That said, Monroe has a good head on his shoulders, he's still on the rise, and we are much likelier to be able to resign him. If Dumars pulled the trigger on a move like this, I wouldn't be mad, but I wouldn't be elated. It's a fair deal.

[SAKURABA216]

I'd prefer we keep our real talent - Smith, Monroe, Drummond, and likely KCP. If we want to trade anyone else, sure.

I agree. I'm not too crazy about KCP at this time, but I really want to see what he has. I think joe is on the market for a pg, Chauncey will start and knight will be under his tutelage but if he doesn't improve he is gone. I like our squad and want to see what smith, KCP, Monroe, and Drummond can do. If we surprise some people we could attract some players

[Clarity]

LA has a style of game that will age well. He'll be playing at a high level for another 5-7 years due to his skill set. Same age as Josh Smith. That's a long time in the NBA.

LA is not only a better all around player now, I'd put money on him being a better player 5 years from now due to his length and pure skills.

He's a perfect compliment to Drummond and Smith unlike Monroe. He spaces things on offense and gives Detroit a 3rd rim protector on defense making it ridiculously impossible to beat Detroit in the paint. Right now w/ Monroe, there's still a chink in the armor defensively.

Just so were clear Monroe is a perfect fit next to Drummond, I wasnt in favor of JS for this reason.

Maybe if he had a respectable jumpshot.

they were great together last year, they are great together now.

Monroe's year to year improvement thus far says Monroe will add that consistent jumper very quickly.