Pacers Explore Trade Of Granger, Green

[Boneman2]

I don't know about Lamb & Thabeet for Lance & Mahimi.

I know what you're saying Scoot from a financial perspective, and yes it would make sense to get something in return if we feel Lance can't be resigned, but I'm not so sure Lamb is a viable option if we trade Lance. Just don't see him matching up with the caliber of players Lance faced in the playoffs. Although both are 6'5", Lance has about 40 lbs. on him (all muscle). My preference is to retain Lance, or get a really good asset in return.

Lamb didn't play much but when he did he shot 35% from the field, including 30% from 3.

[Scoot McGroot]

Sure.

But, we won't have a right to match on Lance. He'll be unrestricted and lots of teams have lots of money this upcoming offseason. We won't be in the drivers seat and likely won't be able to work a S&T for any value other than a TPE, possibly.

If not someone like Lamb, who it seems like may have been buried behind vets as a rookie, then someone else?

[8305]

To the top, it's not a legal trade. Detroit would have to include another $1.5m in salary. And right now, there's just no one they're willing to trade in that range, or that they can trade (recently signed, draft picks, etc). Either way, it does cut about $3m in salary in 2014, depending on what the filler deal is, though, that probably drops in half, or less.


To the bottom, Stuckey's value has dropped, and he's not guarantee to have another future contract after this one. I'm sure he's about maximizing his value. He's likely a one and done, unless he's willing to take an absurdly low deal, and I have a feeling he wouldn't be.

Ultimately, to me, a Lance/Ian for Lamb/Thabeet swap is positive in controlling Lamb on his rookie deal for 2 more years after this upcoming one, as well as clearing around $2m in 2014 salary, and Lance's extension. Combine those, and the little room against the luxury tax, and you can likely re-sign Danny for up to $8m before
going over the tax, and with our 2014 1st rounder factored in, we're right at 13 players with just enough room to likely fit in a 15th player on the roster if the need arises. Stretch waive Green (if you can't dump him at some point), and you clear another $2.4m, and likely can sign another bench player if you need.

I edited the post just to close the quote - Scoot

Thought I ran this trade and that it worked, maybe before they signed Billips? Clearly doesn't work now. And, I can't see a reasonable way to get it legal. So much for that idea.

I like the Lamb/Thbeet for Stephenson/Mahamni idea. But isn't Ok City in the same situation as us from a salary perspective?

[EuroPacer]

Thing I love about Mahinmi is his character, he is a perfect back-up big cause he will never moan, I also suspect he is generally a great guy to be around, 4million a year is a lot for that though so I hope he becomes a bit more reliably productive.

[Scoot McGroot]

I like the Lamb/Thbeet for Stephenson/Mahamni idea. But isn't Ok City in the same situation as us from a salary perspective?

Mostly. However, they also are having a ton of trouble in terms of getting production from the 5 spot and it's REALLY holding them back. Adding Mahinmi would stabilize the position, as he'd chew up minutes and produce for them. He's also probably start right now for Perkins, or play the starter share of minutes and allow Perkins to start games as it may be harder for him to come off the bench. Then, at the end of the year, they could use Perkins' contract in a deal or amnesty him to allow for the extra $2m on Ian vs. Lamb and Lance's extension, while they could let Thabo Sefalosha walk and use HIS $4m to get another bench player. Ian would be able to stabilize the position and allow Steven Adams to grow and eventually take the starting spot.

We'd only be able to do this if Plumlee shows to be a guy that can hold down rotation minutes, and especially if it shows that both Ian and Miles are best at the 5 off the bench.



Ultimately, it doesn't have to be this deal. I'm just throwing out an idea of something that could make sense fiscally for us, while still maintaining some strength off the bench and essentially resetting the rookie contract clock that Lance is finishing up.

[Boneman2]

What about packaging our starting backcourt (Lance, GHill, & filler) for Rondo. This is the only available significant upgrade at the point everyone is saying would put us over the top.

If it's a 3 for 1 (even money) then we could target one or two more f/a's to fill out the roster, i.e., BBrown, Maggette, Barbosa, Tolliver, SMack, plus there might be some decent players made available after training camp.

Rondo/Watson/Sloan
PG/ OJ
Granger/ Hill
West/ Cope/ Plumlee
Hibb/ Mahimi/ Plumlee

Rondo could easily be resigned in two seasons.

The more you mention it Scoot, I'd be interested in dangling Mahimi out there to a team starving for a Center. There is no doubt he has pretty decent value in the eyes of certain clubs. Your OKC example was nice as he'd immediately become their starter. Paired with Ibaka OKC would be pretty stout up front. Of course, like you mentioned, this is contingent on Plum's development. Otherwise we'd experience a huge drop off in our defensive philosophy when Hibbert's not on the floor.

[mikepacernation]

That wouldn't be a bad idea with rondo but what happens if we couldn't lock up Granger next season? Plus Granger is age with a knee that we have no clue about. For this to actually work we would defiantly have to see what Solo or OJ do. Because if we lose Granger our 2 guard could be a very vulnerable

[mikepacernation]

And who know if they would take Stephenson because they already have Bradley

[Jake0890]

Yeah, if you can't lock Granger up, you just opened a whole new hole for yourself.

[Boneman2]

That wouldn't be a bad idea with rondo but what happens if we couldn't lock up Granger next season? Plus Granger is age with a knee that we have no clue about. For this to actually work we would defiantly have to see what Solo or OJ do. Because if we lose Granger our 2 guard could be a very vulnerable

To be honest, with Rondo, George, Hibbert, and West we wouldn't need much at the 2. Maybe Solo could start alongside PG if we can't resign Granger, meanwhile we could keep drafting wings until one hits.

As things stand it is possible that we lose Granger and Lance after next season anyway. At this point the trade is essentially Rondo for Hill.

With that being the case we might as well cash out if the right opportunity presents itself. A pg. like Rondo can penetrate defenses at will, while setting his mates up for easy buckets, plus his defense is elite.

[Scoot McGroot]

With how big of an upgrade we view Rondo as over Hill, do you think Boston would want much more than Hill and Lance for Rondo?

[23artest23]

With how big of an upgrade we view Rondo as over Hill, do you think Boston would want much more than Hill and Lance for Rondo?

I would think so but they did just do a deal with Brooklyn in which Boston gave up the 3 best players in the in the swap for garbage and draft picks. Granted, it did solve some issues such as the retirement of KG and PP but still a bit lopsided in my view.

Edit: Not that it matters at this point but I really can't see KG being coached by Brad at this point in his career either. I imagine that would have been awfully awkward.

[mikepacernation]

I don't like jerebko never really have. I feel like we would be giving more talent then we would receive. He's not a difference maker

[Boneman2]

With how big of an upgrade we view Rondo as over Hill, do you think Boston would want much more than Hill and Lance for Rondo?

Based off of name recognition it seems like we might have to add more, but in reality Lance and George are pretty damn good. I might be inclined to add a 1st with some type of assurance that he'll resign.

[basketface]

Can hill and granger be used in a bigger deal to get rondo?? Ideas??

[Scoot McGroot]

Can hill and granger be used in a bigger deal to get rondo?? Ideas??

Uh, Hill, Granger, Lance, and a 1st for Rondo, Lee, And GWallace? Of course, we'd have to let Paul George walk next year for nothing to avoid the luxury tax.....in other words, it's unlikely. We don't have young talent we can deal and we can't offer any cap relief without letting Paul George go for nothing, which we won't do.