Biogenesis Fallout: Braun first to admit, suspended for 2013

Avenger · Post #41 » by **Avenger** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:16 am

Ryan Braun is not what he is because of testosterone supplements, this mass hysteria over "steroids" has to end. As for the Brewers, why would they try to get rid of a top 10 player like Braun, he hasn't even turned 30 yet and that contract is relatively good value for a player of his caliber.

galacticos2 · Post #42 » by **galacticos2** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:26 am

Avenger wrote:Ryan Braun is not what he is because of testosterone supplements, this mass hysteria over "steroids" has to end. As for the Brewers, why would they try to get rid of a top 10 player like Braun, he hasn't even turned 30 yet and that contract is relatively good value for a player of his caliber.

Elaborate?

Post #43 » by **Double Helix** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:35 am

Avenger's on HGH and roids!!!!!

:laugh:

Post #44 » by **Schad** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:56 am

galacticos2 wrote:
Avenger wrote:Ryan Braun is not what he is because of testosterone supplements, this mass hysteria over "steroids" has to end. As for the Brewers, why would they try to get rid of a top 10 player like Braun, he hasn't even turned 30 yet and that contract is relatively good value for a player of his caliber.

Elaborate?

You're ascribing totally transformative results to something that, in the context of baseball, cannot turn men into supermen.

And in your j'accuse! post about Gomez, you also fail to recognize the number of plate appearances. In 2011, he hit a home run every 32.3 PAs. In 2012, he hit a home run every 23.8 PAs. In 2013, he's hitting one every 24.7 PAs. That's not a massive spike, and given that Gomez was a 6'4" scarecrow in his early days in the bigs, it perhaps shouldn't be a shock that he started hitting for decent power in his mid 20s.

galacticos2 · Post #45 » by **galacticos2** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:03 am

Schadenfreude wrote:
galacticos2 wrote:
Avenger wrote:Ryan Braun is not what he is because of testosterone supplements, this mass hysteria over "steroids" has to end. As for the Brewers, why would they try to get rid of a top 10 player like Braun, he hasn't even turned 30 yet and that contract is relatively good value for a player of his caliber.

Elaborate?

You're ascribing totally transformative results to something that, in the context of baseball, cannot turn men into supermen.

And in your j'accuse! post about Gomez, you also fail to recognize the number of plate appearances. In 2011, he hit a home run every 32.3 PAs. In 2012, he hit a home run every 23.8 PAs. In 2013, he's hitting one every 24.7 PAs. That's not a massive spike, and given that Gomez was a 6'4" scarecrow in his early days in the bigs, it perhaps shouldn't be a shock that he started hitting for decent power in his mid 20s.

What about in the minors? He's on something.

Avenger · Post #46 » by **Avenger** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:10 am

galacticos2 wrote:
Avenger wrote:Ryan Braun is not what he is because of testosterone supplements, this mass hysteria over "steroids" has to end. As for the Brewers, why would they try to get rid of a top 10 player like Braun, he hasn't even turned 30 yet and that contract is relatively good value for a player of his caliber.

Elaborate?

Nothing to elaborate, other than helping build muscle mass faster than regular strength training and making it easier to recover from injuries i haven't encountered a single scientific finding that says the PED'S that baseball players take actually help.

Muscle mass and faster recovery from injuries are a big deal but ethically i have zero problem with it, the players with the most talent and work ethic will still be the best players with or without the "steroids" .

Post #47 » by **Schad** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:11 am

Gomez's only two seasons in the minors were at age 19 and 20. Tall, skinny players often don't mash when they're tall, skinny and teenaged. Alex Rios had an even more pronounced jump around 22, only it didn't arouse much suspicion because scouts had been waiting for it since the day he signed.

Bank Shot · Post #48 » by **Bank Shot** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:26 am

A lot of devastated fantasy owners this Monday.

galacticos2 · Post #49 » by **galacticos2** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:34 am

Bank Shot wrote:A lot of devastated fantasy owners this Monday.

he wasn't doing great this season anyway.

galacticos2 · Post #50 » by **galacticos2** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:34 am

Schadenfreude wrote:Gomez's only two seasons in the minors were at age 19 and 20. Tall, skinny players often don't mash when they're tall, skinny and teenaged. Alex Rios had an even more pronounced jump around 22, only it didn't arouse much suspicion because scouts had been waiting for it since the day he signed.

csb

J-Roc · Post #51 » by **J-Roc** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:55 am

Avenger wrote:
galacticos2 wrote:
Avenger wrote:Ryan Braun is not what he is because of testosterone supplements, this mass hysteria over "steroids" has to end. As for the Brewers, why would they try to get rid of a top 10 player like Braun, he hasn't even turned 30 yet and that contract is relatively good value for a player of his caliber.

Elaborate?

Nothing to elaborate, other than helping build muscle mass faster than regular strength training and making it easier to recover from injuries i haven't encountered a single scientific finding that says the PED'S that baseball players take actually help.

Muscle mass and faster recovery from injuries are a big deal but ethically i have zero problem with it, the players with the most talent and work ethic will still be the best players with or without the "steroids" .

I think the proof we need is to see if a guy can keep it up once he's clean. Is Andy Pettitte one guy? Muscle mass and recovery could be exactly why a particular guy is as good as he is. I venture to guess Ryan Braun won't be mvp material again.

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rdtx2005 · Post #52 » by **rdtx2005** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:58 am

funny how media is labelling him the Lance Armstrong of Baseball..

Post #53 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:58 am

Bank Shot wrote:A lot of devastated fantasy owners this Monday.

Yeah, I'm upset. But since I'm in a keeper league, it's probably better he gets fully healthy and can dominate again next year.

Randle McMurphy · Post #54 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:09 am

Avenger wrote:Ryan Braun is not what he is because of testosterone supplements, this mass hysteria over "steroids" has to end. As for the Brewers, why would they try to get rid of a top 10 player like Braun, he hasn't even turned 30 yet and that contract is relatively good value for a player of his caliber.

The faux moral outrage over PED use in sports whenever stuff like this comes up is always quite amusing to me. Maybe one day it won't be like this, but clearly not any time soon.

akakalakin · Post #55 » by **akakalakin** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:50 pm

If the pressure doesn't come from within, things won't get better. A clubhouse fight is the best cure

MikeM · Post #56 » by **MikeM** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:07 pm

It's hard to say how good Braun is. He's likely been juicing his whole career, including the minors.

And it's also not smart to assume Braun is just taking your basic "steroid" and assuming it just helps you grow muscle and recover.

akakalakin · Post #57 » by **akakalakin** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:49 pm

Cosentino is a freakin idiot .....Braun is done he says

um who did the Jays sign this year?