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ESPN Analytics-based projection has Nets with 64-18 record

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Re: ESPN Analytics-based projection has Nets with 64-18 reco 

Post#61 » by Boarder Patrol » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:14 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Boarder Patrol wrote:Melo > Deron and it isn't close.

28-7-3 > 19-7.5-3 on the same percentages. Also, both had a nearly identical impact in their teams offense, as both teams averaged, I believe, 3-4 points per game more when their star was on the floor. Don't quote me on that though.

Do you want me to bring up the fact that Melo made the all NBA second team, was an all star starter and won the scoring title while D-Will did what?

Melo leads the Knicks with JR SMITH AS A SECOND OPTION to a 2nd seed and the second round while Deron got bounced with 2 all-star caliber players by the Bulls B squad :lol:

And no, he is not top 10. He beasted this year post Bradley, or whoever your first coach was, but he is not top 10. Melo at the end of the season was still much better. 38-10-4 on 54% in April.

Top 10 point guard, probably, though he's behind Westbrook, a healthy Rose, Paul, Parker, Irving and Rondo. Fringe top 20 player at best. I'll make a list if you want me to.


You're a clown, and I applaud the gall it took to post this pile of ignorance.

The fact that you tried to big up Reggie Evans is even more laughable. Wow...Knick fans are all stuck on stupid


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Re: ESPN Analytics-based projection has Nets with 64-18 reco 

Post#62 » by therealbig3 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:59 am

^You're complimenting one of our players in order to bring down another one of our players. It's trolling.

And unlike Knicks fans, we can accept when one of our players just isn't very good. Reggie Evans is not a good player.
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Re: ESPN Analytics-based projection has Nets with 64-18 reco 

Post#63 » by drza » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:02 am

therealbig3 wrote: Reggie Evans is not a good player.


Completely aside from your other discussion, I'd disagree with this comment on its face. I agree with the gist of what many Nets fans have pointed out, that Evans playing big minutes as a starter was often a disaster, but when used correctly I think that Evans is a very effective player. As a short-bursts role player off the bench, having a bully that can vacuum the glass and get under an opponent's skin is valuable. I was one that was pretty happy when I heard that Evans was staying in Brooklyn, with my only question being whether he and KG had any lingering issues. So it was cool when, a couple weeks later, KG unpromptedly named Evans as one of the key guys on the team.
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Re: ESPN Analytics-based projection has Nets with 64-18 reco 

Post#64 » by therealbig3 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:26 pm

drza wrote:
therealbig3 wrote: Reggie Evans is not a good player.


Completely aside from your other discussion, I'd disagree with this comment on its face. I agree with the gist of what many Nets fans have pointed out, that Evans playing big minutes as a starter was often a disaster, but when used correctly I think that Evans is a very effective player. As a short-bursts role player off the bench, having a bully that can vacuum the glass and get under an opponent's skin is valuable. I was one that was pretty happy when I heard that Evans was staying in Brooklyn, with my only question being whether he and KG had any lingering issues. So it was cool when, a couple weeks later, KG unpromptedly named Evans as one of the key guys on the team.


The bolded is what I'm talking about though. Evans last year was not a good player, because he was extremely overextended and overplayed. If you could check this forum's posts at the beginning of the year, everyone loved him. But then he slowly got more playing time, eventually a starting spot, and was routinely played 25-30 mpg, despite the fact we were constantly playing poor offensive basketball whenever he was on the court. And he's a poor defensive player too aside from his defensive rebounding.

And overall, a 10-15 mpg bench player that grabs rebounds and annoys opponents is nice, but it's still not someone I'd say is a "good" overall player...good role player maybe.

Anyway, it's just weird to me that he's being brought up as some sort of legitimately good support last season when anyone that followed the team last season would know that he was one of the main problems, precisely because he was so overused.
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Re: ESPN Analytics-based projection has Nets with 64-18 reco 

Post#65 » by drza » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:50 pm

therealbig3 wrote:
drza wrote:
therealbig3 wrote: Reggie Evans is not a good player.


Completely aside from your other discussion, I'd disagree with this comment on its face. I agree with the gist of what many Nets fans have pointed out, that Evans playing big minutes as a starter was often a disaster, but when used correctly I think that Evans is a very effective player. As a short-bursts role player off the bench, having a bully that can vacuum the glass and get under an opponent's skin is valuable. I was one that was pretty happy when I heard that Evans was staying in Brooklyn, with my only question being whether he and KG had any lingering issues. So it was cool when, a couple weeks later, KG unpromptedly named Evans as one of the key guys on the team.


The bolded is what I'm talking about though. Evans last year was not a good player, because he was extremely overextended and overplayed. If you could check this forum's posts at the beginning of the year, everyone loved him. But then he slowly got more playing time, eventually a starting spot, and was routinely played 25-30 mpg, despite the fact we were constantly playing poor offensive basketball whenever he was on the court. And he's a poor defensive player too aside from his defensive rebounding.

And overall, a 10-15 mpg bench player that grabs rebounds and annoys opponents is nice, but it's still not someone I'd say is a "good" overall player...good role player maybe.

Anyway, it's just weird to me that he's being brought up as some sort of legitimately good support last season when anyone that followed the team last season would know that he was one of the main problems, precisely because he was so overused.


I feel your point, and actually got it before, I just think there's a difference between someone being a bad player and someone being misused. I agree that Evans was misused last year, and wouldn't use his presence as evidence of a great supporting cast (so in your disagreement that I jumped in on for this aside, I agree with your point). But I absolutely think he could be an important, positive cog this year.

I guess an example that I could use that isn't the same, but has some similarities, is Kendrick Perkins. If he's put into a role that fits what he could do (like he was in Boston) then he's a valuable piece and a fan favorite. But if he's inadequate for the current task (like in OKC), you get a fan-base that wants him to be amnestied.

On the flip side, no matter how you try to use Adam Morrison he's pretty much a disaster in the NBA. He is an example of someone that I would say just isn't good.

Came up with those analogies on the fly so not sure how they'll stand up to more thought, but mainly just wanted to indicate why seeing all the Reggie negativity eventually prompted me to say something.
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Re: ESPN Analytics-based projection has Nets with 64-18 reco 

Post#66 » by Paradise » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:24 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
Boarder Patrol wrote:Melo > Deron and it isn't close.

28-7-3 > 19-7.5-3 on the same percentages. Also, both had a nearly identical impact in their teams offense, as both teams averaged, I believe, 3-4 points per game more when their star was on the floor. Don't quote me on that though.

Do you want me to bring up the fact that Melo made the all NBA second team, was an all star starter and won the scoring title while D-Will did what?

Melo leads the Knicks with JR SMITH AS A SECOND OPTION to a 2nd seed and the second round while Deron got bounced with 2 all-star caliber players by the Bulls B squad :lol:

And no, he is not top 10. He beasted this year post Bradley, or whoever your first coach was, but he is not top 10. Melo at the end of the season was still much better. 38-10-4 on 54% in April.

Top 10 point guard, probably, though he's behind Westbrook, a healthy Rose, Paul, Parker, Irving and Rondo. Fringe top 20 player at best. I'll make a list if you want me to.


You're a clown, and I applaud the gall it took to post this pile of ignorance.

The fact that you tried to big up Reggie Evans is even more laughable. Wow...Knick fans are all stuck on stupid


"How dare you compliment one of my players"

That's you. That's what you sound like.


That's hardly a compliment. It's almost like complimenting a child for being mentally challenged...which is what Reggie Evans is in basketball. Now, I know you were tying to brag about how great Melo is but I'm still trying to understand how is he Top 10 in general? He had a Top 10 season among his NBA superstar peers but he had comparable stats to Paul Pierce at 35. Pierce even at 35 destroyed him in the common stats as well.

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