BaTATAS 1.0: DISCUSSION THREAD 1 - LOCK PLEASE!!!

[bigdogdylan5]

Ok this should be simple Longevity is a serious factor and its in the rules stated earlier we cant change it now I don't think we should use Whatifsports cause it doesn't factor it in AT ALL! all you have to do is pick the players best year which is not wat this is about its building the best team that can compete for a LONG time

Ok so you're saying that we are to assume that a newer player wouldn't last a long time because he's only been in the league 5 years? It seems like that's not the same thing as what we're looking for when talking about longevity. It seems like it should focus on injury prone players or players who's prime has been cut short due to injury. Not simply new players with no injury concern.

In Gasol's case, he's 28, and has been playing pro ball in Europe before his 5 going on 6 years in the NBA and the rules also state that years in other professional leagues will be counted...even though its not as much. So I'd say that a pretty long pro career so far.

I said Gasol pick was good he is a bench guy I think you should only be hurt in rankings if your team is based soley around someone who had 3-4 years great than sucked for 7 or has only had 3-4 years good and is still young you cant argue this now the rules were really really clear u don't like it you didn't have to play. Your team is very strong man idont see why you are argueing it Gasol hasn't played a long time but he is good and only a bench guy

[CoolKids]

Ok this should be simple Longevity is a serious factor and its in the rules stated earlier we cant change it now I don't think we should use Whatifsports cause it doesn't factor it in AT ALL! all you have to do is pick the players best year which is not wat this is about its building the best team that can compete for a LONG time

Make our second pick please

[bigdogdylan5]

Let's be real, penalize me "the guy who took Durant in the 1st RD" all you want but if you can sit there w a straight face and say James Worthy (from said poster's team) or nearly more than half the SF's are better than Durant, a guy who is vying w LeBron James (who is being considered as a top player of all time) as the best current player in the League, then more power to you cause you are then kinda in effect saying Player X (James Worthy for example) is comparable to LeBron James and that's just wrong, and Worthy was a great player.

I like Durant I think he is a good to great player but he is still young and I am gonna give you a copy and paste from rules
-Longevity (x2)
Here you are looking for how long a player's prime lasted and what they accomplished in that prime. If a guy had a crazy good four years but then fell off because of injury or just inconsistencies...that could count against you. The idea is to build a team that contends but also has a long shelf life. Not a squad of five studs who only has 3-4 year primes.
right now we only have 4 years of his prime I am going by rules if u didn't like it why you play? I am not mad atyou I am mad at guys trying to change rules 75% thru the draft

[TDJacksonville]

Ok this should be simple Longevity is a serious factor and its in the rules stated earlier we cant change it now I don't think we should use Whatifsports cause it doesn't factor it in AT ALL! all you have to do is pick the players best year which is not wat this is about its building the best team that can compete for a LONG time

Make our second pick please

if he dont pick in 20 mins u can skip him. hes obviously wasting time talking in here than making his pick then talk in here

[CoolKids]

Let's be real, penalize me "the guy who took Durant in the 1st RD" all you want but if you can sit there w a straight face and say James Worthy (from said poster's team) or nearly more than half the SF's are better than Durant, a guy who is vying w LeBron James (who is being considered as a top player of all time) as the best current player in the League, then more power to you cause you are then kinda in effect saying Player X (James Worthy for example) is comparable to LeBron James and that's just wrong, and Worthy was a great player.

Look at grant hills numbers early in his career I think that's what they mean by longevity in youg guys. You don't know if durant will have a freak injury that will cut his prime short.

[spree8]

I didn't pick Bill Walton in the first round because I picked the best pf of all time (Duncan is a center!) and I believe that Walton @ 210 lbs head to head with a powerful center like Shaq or even Dwight Howard would simply die or be turned to dust.

[bigdogdylan5]

Ok this should be simple Longevity is a serious factor and its in the rules stated earlier we cant change it now I don't think we should use Whatifsports cause it doesn't factor it in AT ALL! all you have to do is pick the players best year which is not wat this is about its building the best team that can compete for a LONG time

Make our second pick please

if he dont pick in 20 mins u can skip him. hes obviously wasting time talking in here than making his pick then talk in here

I am waiting on my partner bro sry taking so long

[CoolKids]

I didn't pick Bill Walton in the first round because I picked the best pf of all time (Duncan is a center!) and I believe that Walton @ 210 lbs head to head with a powerful center like Shaq or even Dwight Howard would simply die or be turned to dust.

You can't really look at it like that though. Russell and wilt wouldn't score 10 points a game in the current nba.

[TDJacksonville]

Make our second pick please

if he dont pick in 20 mins u can skip him. hes obviously wasting time talking in here than making his pick then talk in here

I am waiting on my partner bro sry taking so long

if u got him to agree with 1 choice should have gotten him to make 2. its not fair to hold up the draft cuz ur "partner dont know how to reply".

[Smash3]

Ok this should be simple Longevity is a serious factor and its in the rules stated earlier we cant change it now I don't think we should use Whatifsports cause it doesn't factor it in AT ALL! all you have to do is pick the players best year which is not wat this is about its building the best team that can compete for a LONG time

Ok so you're saying that we are to assume that a newer player wouldn't last a long time because he's only been in the league 5 years? It seems like that's not the same thing as what we're looking for when talking about longevity. It seems like it should focus on injury prone players or players who's prime has been cut short due to injury. Not simply new players with no injury concern.

In Gasol's case, he's 28, and has been playing pro ball in Europe before his 5 going on 6 years in the NBA and the rules also state that years in other professional leagues will be counted...even though its not as much. So I'd say that a pretty long pro career so far.

I get what you´re saying but that is beside the point, according to the rules. We have no way of predicting how long said player would keep on going, and whether or not the production would be at the same level therefore choosing a player that has had a long successful career is a much better pick.

[Grinditout]

The longevity thing was CLEARLY stated when LBP first made this whole thing before anyone started drafting, it's in the original post. To complain only now means that some people didn't fully read his post or understand it and should have clarified before joining or making their picks.

Why is it hard to understand the value of having someone who has a long lasting career over the value of someone with a much shorter career? Wouldn't a ball club have to deliberate or think hard about having a guy who can give you 10+ great years VS someone who can only give you 4-5 excellent years?

The thing with current players is that since we're basing this whole competition on actual games played, then of course they would be at a disadvantage as it's entire subjective as to how the rest of their careers would play out, otherwise people can say "Oh he's definitely going to have 4-5 more great years" and it would be subjective.

[bigdogdylan5]

if he dont pick in 20 mins u can skip him. hes obviously wasting time talking in here than making his pick then talk in here

I am waiting on my partner bro sry taking so long

if u got him to agree with 1 choice should have gotten him to make 2. its not fair to hold up the draft cuz ur "partner dont know how to reply".

man do u have to be a jerk rules say I got 3 hours I am not going to be taking that long just give me a sec I don't know why you feel the need to be so rude

[bigdogdylan5]

The longevity thing was CLEARLY stated when LBP first made this whole thing before anyone started drafting, it's in the original post. To complain only now means that some people didn't fully read his post or understand it and should have clarified before joining or making their picks.

Why is it hard too understand the value of having someone who has a long lasting career over the value of someone with a much shorter career? Wouldn't a ball club have to deliberate or think hard about having a guy who can give you 10+ great years VS someone who can only give you 4-5 excellent years?

The thing with current players is that since we're basing this whole competition on actual games played, then of course they would be at a disadvantage as it's entire subjective as to how the rest of their careers would play out, otherwise people can say "Oh he's definitely going to have 4-5 more great years" and it would be subjective.

exactly what I was trying to say just worded much better haha

[TDJacksonville]

I am waiting on my partner bro sry taking so long

if u got him to agree with 1 choice should have gotten him to make 2. its not fair to hold up the draft cuz ur "partner dont know how to reply".

man do u have to be a jerk rules say I got 3 hours I am not going to be taking that long just give me a sec I don't know why you feel the need to be so rude

because we have most people on that made the picks up to u.

[spree8]

Ok this should be simple Longevity is a serious factor and its in the rules stated earlier we cant change it now I don't think we should use Whatifsports cause it doesn't factor it in AT ALL! all you have to do is pick the players best year which is not wat this is about its building the best team that can compete for a LONG time

Ok so you're saying that we are to assume that a newer player wouldn't last a long time because he's only been in the league 5 years? It seems like that's not the same thing as what we're looking for when talking about longevity. It seems like it should focus on injury prone players or players who's prime has been cut short due to injury. Not simply new players with no injury concern.

In Gasol's case, he's 28, and has been playing pro ball in Europe before his 5 going on 6 years in the NBA and the rules also state that years in other professional leagues will be counted...even though its not as much. So I'd say that a pretty long pro career so far.

I said Gasol pick was good he is a bench guy I think you should only be hurt in rankings if your team is based soley around someone who had 3-4 years great than sucked for 7 or has only had 3-4 years good and is still young you cant argue this now the rules were really really clear u don't like it you didn't have to play. Your team is very strong man idont see why you are argueing it Gasol hasn't played a long time but he is good and only a bench guy

Are you really going there with the childish "if you didn't like it you didn't have to play" stuff? I read the rules, and what I read is not what people are saying. Look at all the confusion in here regarding this topic. I never had a problem with any of it until people starting saying bad things about the Gasol pick when he totally fits under "a good pick" when I comes to the longevity rule since we are counting Euroleague play before the NbA. People posting that I was going to basically have points taken off for it are the ones not really understanding the rule and putting way too much emphasis on it. Therefore, I'm simply trying to get an understanding since its been going on all game. That's all.

Also wasn't referencing you on the Gasol pick...it was the others, but didn't want to make multiple posts on it.

[Grinditout]

In the judging section of LBP's original post, it's in the very first post of this thread.

Longevity (x2)
Here you are looking for how long a player's prime lasted and what they accomplished in that prime. If a guy had a crazy good four years but then fell off because of injury or just inconsistencies...that could count against you. The idea is to build a team that contends but also has a long shelf life. Not a squad of five studs who only has 3-4 year primes.

[bigdogdylan5]

Ok so you're saying that we are to assume that a newer player wouldn't last a long time because he's only been in the league 5 years? It seems like that's not the same thing as what we're looking for when talking about longevity. It seems like it should focus on injury prone players or players who's prime has been cut short due to injury. Not simply new players with no injury concern.

In Gasol's case, he's 28, and has been playing pro ball in Europe before his 5 going on 6 years in the NBA and the rules also state that years in other professional leagues will be counted...even though its not as much. So I'd say that a pretty long pro career so far.

I said Gasol pick was good he is a bench guy I think you should only be hurt in rankings if your team is based soley around someone who had 3-4 years great than sucked for 7 or has only had 3-4 years good and is still young you cant argue this now the rules were really really clear u don't like it you didn't have to play. Your team is very strong man idont see why you are argueing it Gasol hasn't played a long time but he is good and only a bench guy

Are you really going there with the childish "if you didn't like it you didn't have to play" stuff? I read the rules, and what I read is not what people are saying. Look at all the confusion in here regarding this topic. I never had a problem with any of it until people starting saying bad things about the Gasol pick when he totally fits under "a good pick" when I comes to the longevity rule since we are counting Euroleague play before the NbA. People posting that I was going to basically have points taken off for it are the ones not really understanding the rule and putting way too much emphasis on it. Therefore, I'm simply trying to get an understanding since its been going on all game. That's all.

Also wasn't referencing you on the Gasol pick...it was the others, but didn't want to make multiple posts on it.

I am just going by the rules man I considered Longevity very strongly with all my picks and its really unfair for you guys to come in here and get all mad now

[spree8]

The longevity thing was CLEARLY stated when LBP first made this whole thing before anyone started drafting, it's in the original post. To complain only now means that some people didn't fully read his post or understand it and should have clarified before joining or making their picks.

Why is it hard to understand the value of having someone who has a long lasting career over the value of someone with a much shorter career? Wouldn't a ball club have to deliberate or think hard about having a guy who can give you 10+ great years VS someone who can only give you 4-5 excellent years?

The thing with current players is that since we're basing this whole competition on actual games played, then of course they would be at a disadvantage as it's entire subjective as to how the rest of their careers would play out, otherwise people can say "Oh he's definitely going to have 4-5 more great years" and it would be subjective.

I already said that I clearly understood the rules, but it seems others don't or are putting way too much emphasis on it for a bench player. Like I said already in my last post, Gasol is a perfectly fine player to select with 5 years in the NBA and a few in the Spanish pro league. The rules state that's not a pick to judge badly on...that's why I'm confused when people are saying otherwise. Something's obviously not clear to them.

[Smash3]

In the judging section of LBP's original post, it's in the very first post of this thread.

Longevity (x2)
Here you are looking for how long a player's prime lasted and what they accomplished in that prime. If a guy had a crazy good four years but then fell off because of injury or just inconsistencies...that could count against you. The idea is to build a team that contends but also has a long shelf life. Not a squad of five studs who only has 3-4 year primes.

I think what isn´t explicit is creating some confusion now, like how do you value a player with 6 great seasons compared to a player with 10 seasons? Because if said player accomplished a whole lot in those prime years that should possibly outweigh for the extra 3-4 years? And of course if only one starter has 6 years of great production meanwhile the other 4 have 10+ seasons the team still has a long shelf life.

[bigdogdylan5]

Gasol was a very good pick there I would really considered him if u didn't take him