BaTATAS 1.0: DISCUSSION THREAD 1 - LOCK PLEASE!!!

[Skin]

skin i really like your team outside of penny at pg.

Thanks. Man crush syndrome. I imagined having the size and skills of Penny and Kobe in the backcourt would give teams fits trying to defend. I really like your interior post play. Dang!

[lilroddyb]

Sorry guys for letting you wait I am having trouble deciding which player I should choose

[jgosche]

Picked Kevin Love because:
1. Needed 3 pt shooting.
2. As talent is starting to dwindle I felt as though its more acceptable to take players who are still pretty young due to a lack of other talent available. I felt as thought Kevin Love was definitely the most talented player left.
3. He's only the second "current" player on my team which I would assume gives me some leeway.

Honestly surprises to hear people hating on that pick because I was actually surprised he wa available and thought it was one of my better picks.

[Manhattan Project]

Lets be honest, who didn't love Penny? Not a single person in the world disliked Penny and Lil Penny, shame Lil Penny had to overdose. As far as learning about the older guys, just being in sim leagues you learn about them. I've done I think one or two huge build a team on the player comparison board, that's where you really learn about these guys.

[jgosche]

agree on love.

You agree on Love being a reach? He's a had longer career than Harden, lol.

yes but unlike Love he didnt have an Injury causing him to miss Significant time.

Plus theres really been a Lack of Talent at SG every SG i want/wanted kept getting picked infront of me.....

Even taking the time he's missed into account, Love has played more games than Harden on 17.3 PPG (higher than hardens) and 12.2 RPG. He's played in more all-star games than Harden, led the league in rebounds, and won the 3-pt shooting contest, and shot at a better percentage than harden.

Harden is a good scorer, but Love is just as good as a scorer and a prolific rebounder as well.

[supplyndemand69]

I like the KMart pick, actually I would put him in the starting lineup and move LJ4 to the bench as he is a bit more of a combo forward.

Thanks.. The way power forwards were being taken I was a little scared he would get picked. In his prime Kmart was a beast. As to moving him to the starting 5, it's something to seriously consider once I compete the test of the team

[LBPTarHeel27]

I like the KMart pick, actually I would put him in the starting lineup and move LJ4 to the bench as he is a bit more of a combo forward.

Thanks.. The way power forwards were being taken I was a little scared he would get picked. In his prime Kmart was a beast. As to moving him to the starting 5, it's something to seriously consider once I compete the test of the team

Good pick with Kmart but I think I finally disagree with Grinditout. LJ provides a better skill set and can do things that K-Mart can't, in terms of making space for Shaq. Even in his prime, K-Mart was never a guy you wanted taking a mid-range jump shot. He could make a couple...but it wasn't ever the shot you wanted. LJ had a well rounded offensive game that would allow Shaq to do his damage without the risk of an easy double team. I think LJ + K-Mart is a great PF combo...but LJ should start.

[Grinditout]

I like the KMart pick, actually I would put him in the starting lineup and move LJ4 to the bench as he is a bit more of a combo forward.

Thanks.. The way power forwards were being taken I was a little scared he would get picked. In his prime Kmart was a beast. As to moving him to the starting 5, it's something to seriously consider once I compete the test of the team

Good pick with Kmart but I think I finally disagree with Grinditout. LJ provides a better skill set and can do things that K-Mart can't, in terms of making space for Shaq. Even in his prime, K-Mart was never a guy you wanted taking a mid-range jump shot. He could make a couple...but it wasn't ever the shot you wanted. LJ had a well rounded offensive game that would allow Shaq to do his damage without the risk of an easy double team. I think LJ + K-Mart is a great PF combo...but LJ should start.

Hmm, you definitely have a point, I'm just not feeling LJ guarding the opposing PFs. Sure he did it with the Knicks but KMart would do a much better job I think.

Anyways Supply has some tough decisions to make.

[supplyndemand69]

I like the KMart pick, actually I would put him in the starting lineup and move LJ4 to the bench as he is a bit more of a combo forward.

Thanks.. The way power forwards were being taken I was a little scared he would get picked. In his prime Kmart was a beast. As to moving him to the starting 5, it's something to seriously consider once I compete the test of the team

Good pick with Kmart but I think I finally disagree with Grinditout. LJ provides a better skill set and can do things that K-Mart can't, in terms of making space for Shaq. Even in his prime, K-Mart was never a guy you wanted taking a mid-range jump shot. He could make a couple...but it wasn't ever the shot you wanted. LJ had a well rounded offensive game that would allow Shaq to do his damage without the risk of an easy double team. I think LJ + K-Mart is a great PF combo...but LJ should start.

That was the main reason I picked LJ. Felt that his game worked perfectly with Shaq and would never have to worry about the paint being clogged. As for Kmart he would be great defensive spark, an ideal energy guy off the bench.

[WillyJakkz]

My counter to the Durant "pessimists" look at the team around him.

The Commissioner (LBP's) statement of Durant and his Finals performance teammates etc shows just how low his Bball IQ is but I digress, it's all opinion and that's completely respected by me.

Focusing on the round he was picked is asinine.

I'd be more concerned w putting a bunch of 20+ FGA ballhogging players on one team like the majority of you have done

Gotta say man, you crossed the line a bit there. You like to play off your insults by saying something that is complete BS at the end. "That's completely respected by me." Not something you can follow up a blatant insult with.

You like to go around these boards and act like you are the almighty poster...giving off the impression that we should be so happy to get to read your nonsense. Some one disagrees with you or views something that happened differently and they immediately have a terrible "basketball IQ". At least insult me correctly if you are going to...you are referring to my knowledge of the game, not my mind for the game while on the floor.

Basketball IQ: http://www.bloguin.com/runthefloor/2013 ... ll-iq.html


It is all opinion, but there were a lot of people that shared my opinion while Miami was playing OKC in the Finals. Durant let LeBron run the show and Durant was just happy to be there. He did not show the will and determination to win that an all-time great should. I believe if he gets another crack at the Finals, he will show those things. However, you don't even know if he will get there. You don't know if he will bump knees with a guy, just like someone he knows well did, and suffer a freak knee injury. You don't know if he evolves his game. That is why, regardless of his talent, he isn't worth a pick that high. Like I said, I love him as a player...outside of my man crush on Oladipo, Durant is my favorite player in the league.

My post about young players compared to those that have completed their primes was made as a general example. I was trying to single you out...even though I know you like that and just look to bait and love to bait others. I should have used Melo as an example. Would have saved me some time.

Here's the bottomline and my final post directed at you in this regard.

You as the Commissioner of this BaT I am grateful that you put it together and know I don't act all knowing, I responded cause plain and simple I got tired of seeing a Commissioner flagrantly and constantly belittle every single player virtually that got picked at one point as if the GM was a moron for taking them.

It's their team, let them/ us select who we want within the rules cause at the end of the day it's a competition and if it isn't a pick you would make so what...let peeps pick their team and you would think as a Commissioner you would show more professionalism as the figurehead who put this together.

You got irritated after I started replying to your irritating remarks towards people making picks, don't believe me, maybe you should re-check this thread, giving an opinion is one thing, acting mightier than thou is annoying, then when someone brings up a discrepancy you basically tell em be quiet I'm running this, you knew the rules when you signed up, miss your pick I have no problem eliminating your team.

I'm having a cool time participating and have done so beyond the Magic board, maybe if you step off the porch and participate in other forums/ threads you'd have a different perspective of certain aspects of being a Commissioner.

Meantime hopefully you'll learn from your experience here and move forward.

[TDJacksonville]

You agree on Love being a reach? He's a had longer career than Harden, lol.

yes but unlike Love he didnt have an Injury causing him to miss Significant time.

Plus theres really been a Lack of Talent at SG every SG i want/wanted kept getting picked infront of me.....

Even taking the time he's missed into account, Love has played more games than Harden on 17.3 PPG (higher than hardens) and 12.2 RPG. He's played in more all-star games than Harden, led the league in rebounds, and won the 3-pt shooting contest, and shot at a better percentage than harden.

Harden is a good scorer, but Love is just as good as a scorer and a prolific rebounder as well.

oh so 1 more game is so much but when u look at the Minutes Played harden has 4 less minutes than love in 1 less game oh and winning a 3 point shooting contest doesnt make you good. i mean James jones and Jason kapono both have wont it and they arent that great of players.

lets get some correct numbers here.
1) James Harden has played in 298 regular season games with 85 starts in 4 years. harden also adds 49 playoff games with 6 starts.
2) Kevin Love has played in 287 regular season games with 205 starts in 5 years.


lets look at the Per 36 seeing how the Thunder didnt play him the same mins love gets so its Apples to Apples not apples to oranges though its still kinda that way in terms of a SG to PF.

career Average for Harden: 19.6 points, 4.6 rebs, 4.1 assists, along with 1,5 steals.
Career Average for Love: 19.6 points, 13.8 rebounds, 2,2 assists, along with .7 steals.
the major difference here appears to be rebounding and thats purely off of Love being a PF and not a SG.

next we can go use Total Shooting Percentage for both careers to see who the better shooter is in career.

Harden: .603
Love: .557

[WillyJakkz]

And yes, Alex English was an elite scorer, incredible offensive player w those long arms and awkward shot and yes you're right, he made the Denver Nuggets a perennial playoff team, Sampson made that Rockets team a real contender.

Some could argue the League being shady and gifting Houston Akeem (before the H) is what put them over the edge but Denver had a good squad, too w him and Kiki etc.

Just the Western Conference was incredibly hard back then as it was/ is now.

[jgosche]

Why look at PER 36 numbers? I'm looking at how they've played during their career, not how they could have played if he hadn't been on a team with two better players. If we're going to start speculating, I guess we should add that as a 6th man, Harden would often be coming off the bench against tired starters and second stringers.

And sure, Love obviously has more rebounds because he's a PF, but the point remains that Love is a great scorer and elite rebounder which adds to his value. Harden is a good scorer that has to have the ball in his hands as evidenced by the way he and Jeremy Lin played together last year. Obviously he's good as a spark off the bench but I'm just saying Love is a more valuable player.

[WillyJakkz]

I love this Harden Love debate since they have nearly the same longevity so now the argument is player impact.

This should be good.

[TDJacksonville]

Why look at PER 36 numbers? I'm looking at how they've played during their career, not how they could have played if he hadn't been on a team with two better players. If we're going to start speculating, I guess we should add that as a 6th man, Harden would often be coming off the bench against tired starters and second stringers.

And sure, Love obviously has more rebounds because he's a PF, but the point remains that Love is a great scorer and elite rebounder which adds to his value. Harden is a good scorer that has to have the ball in his hands as evidenced by the way he and Jeremy Lin played together last year. Obviously he's good as a spark off the bench but I'm just saying Love is a more valuable player.

like i said if u looked at the Other Stats i posted love doesnt anything else then Score Points and Rebound.

I debunked ur LOVE played more Games BS. i didnt even count post season and he has him beat. not in starts but in games overall.
i debunked ur love is a Better shooter with Total Shooting Percentage which Harden shoots 5% better than love.
you then say hes played in more All Star games but if u look at minutes combined with games Harden has played more minutes/Game. i wouldnt be all that shocked if Harden Passed Love in Minutes Played in all star game next year. you say hes good shooter and you back it up with he won the 3 point shooting contest well guess wat arguebly the best scorer MJ scored 5 points in that contest but does that make him a bad shooter. no it doesnt. 3 point contest dont Mean ****.

[TDJacksonville]

I love this Harden Love debate since they have nearly the same longevity so now the argument is player impact.

This should be good.

actually Harden has more longetivity slightly.

and id say ive Pretty much Debunked almost every thing hes said about Love Being better than harden. better shooter try looking at Total Shooting percentage. More games(try looking at how many games each played).

the Only thing Love does that Harden doesnt do as well is Rebound and thats because Hardens a Guard and love is a PF/C.

[Manhattan Project]

Oh yeah well I want Theo Ratliff, you don't see me complaining!

[WillyJakkz]

It's a really close race.

Love had a stretch where he put up All Time Great numbers, Harden is a former Sixth Man of The Year who has shown he can be the #1 option on a team in the Western Conference and lead said team to the Playoffs, something Love couldn't do and although teammates have alot to do w how things turn out I think Harden is the better player due to his impact if that is the only argument.

Fit-wise though I like Love w that team.

[Grinditout]

Terry Porter is a great pick, one of the best shooting PGs in NBA history. He and Drexler were a big reason the Blazers went to the Finals twice.

Almost took him at 145 but decided to go with the more defensive route with Van Lier.

[TDJacksonville]

sent my Board to LBP just in case i go on the clock tomorrow.