Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[jivelikenice]

Are we STILL talking about Blatche as the One that got away? He was a meh player and a crummy person while in Washington. He didn't work hard, he didn't do what coaches were asking of him, he was a chronic complainer, and he never accepted responsibility for his own shortcomings -- someone else was always to blame.

He deserves credit for (after 7 seasons in the NBA) finally putting in the off-season work to get in shape, for finally listening to his coaches (or for deciding on his own) to change his shot selection and be more efficient on offense. Everyone knew he had talent. But, it wasn't until he was facing the possibility of his NBA career ending with a whimper that he got around to putting in the work necessary to make use of that talent.

Good for him. Good for the Nets. The Wizards made the right call in dumping him. They should never have given him that stupid extension, which they're going to continue paying off for the next couple years.

And he still wasn't in shape in Brooklyn at the end of the season!!! http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/nets/2 ... arlesimo-0

[Nivek]

Good catch. I'd missed that story because...well...I really didn't pay that much attention to Blatche once the season got underway -- except to check his numbers now and then. A decline in his conditioning would explain the steady drop in his PPA during the season. He was in the 150s for the first part of the season and then dropped in the 2nd half of the year to finish at 125. Still the best season of his career.

[sfam]

If u question the thought of adding shumpert to our team for thr price of nene and ariza for 2 yrs...youre backwards.....u wizards fan are some of dumbest, u want to hold on players that dont want to play for the team...and fck up lineup chemisty because of theyre inconsistency, amare is no better thsn nene but if he decides hes out then it wont be day to day, we wont hsve to worry about seraphin getting into a grove then put him back on bench cause nene feels like he can play a game..aamare can also be a stretch 4, and have a good pick and roll with wall, he shot better than nene from midrange last yr as well...

First off the whole proto-english writing style is really hard to stomach. Consider writing using full words and sentences. Just a thought.

But Amare as a stretch 4? His 3 point percentage is well below 30%, on the rare occaision when he takes them, that is. And the big difference between Nene and Amare is Nene, when healthy, makes our team lots better (and shoots better from midrange when healthy). Amare, when healthy, makes his team perform lots worse. he jacks shots outside the flow of the offense, causing fast breaks the other way, doesn't rebound as well, or assist. I would be shocked if any team in the league would prefer Amare over Nene.

[Nivek]

Compared to Nene, Amare is less productive, less healthy and more expensive.

In the other part of the deal, Ariza is as good or better than Shumpert at everything except 3pt% -- and we'll still have to wait and see if Shumpert can repeat that performance (he shot 31% as a rookie). Shumpert did improve nicely from his rookie season (which was bad).

I could see the argument in favor of swapping Ariza for Shumpert on the basis that the Wizards have SFs and could use some backcourt depth. But, the Wizards could also use depth at SF and PF, and Ariza has the length, athleticism, toughness and 3pt shot to play some stretch 4.

[nate33]

Shumpert posted a PER of 11.7 and made his team 3.4 points worse on offense and 1.7 points worse on defense when he was on the court. He's already 23. He looks like the next Courtney Lee to me. He'll stick around in the league for a while, but he's nothing special.

You have to always be on guard against the New York Hype Machine. Any player that has a couple of good games will be considered the next star and will inevitably get overpaid. For reference see: Jeremy Lin, Landry Fields, Wilson Chandler and Channing Frye.

[Dat2U]

Shumpert posted a PER of 11.7 and made his team 3.4 points worse on offense and 1.7 points worse on defense when he was on the court. He's already 23. He looks like the next Courtney Lee to me. He'll stick around in the league for a while, but he's nothing special.

You have to always be on guard against the New York Hype Machine. Any player that has a couple of good games will be considered the next star and will inevitably get overpaid. For reference see: Jeremy Lin, Landry Fields, Wilson Chandler and Channing Frye.

100% agree. Ever since his 1st game, his rookie year on National TV when he went for 20+ points, the NY hype machine anointed him a future star. Ask NY fans and he's practically untouchable unless Durant is coming back in the trade. I'd be fine with him as a defensive specialist off the bench, but that's his upside to me. A good defensive wing off the bench who gets about 20 minutes a night. Offensively he's simply dreadful.

[sfam]

Shumpert posted a PER of 11.7 and made his team 3.4 points worse on offense and 1.7 points worse on defense when he was on the court. He's already 23. He looks like the next Courtney Lee to me. He'll stick around in the league for a while, but he's nothing special.

You have to always be on guard against the New York Hype Machine. Any player that has a couple of good games will be considered the next star and will inevitably get overpaid. For reference see: Jeremy Lin, Landry Fields, Wilson Chandler and Channing Frye.

100% agree. Ever since his 1st game, his rookie year on National TV when he went for 20+ points, the NY hype machine anointed him a future star. Ask NY fans and he's practically untouchable unless Durant is coming back in the trade. I'd be fine with him as a defensive specialist off the bench, but that's his upside to me. A good defensive wing off the bench who gets about 20 minutes a night. Offensively he's simply dreadful.

But...but he has really cool hair!

[deneem4]

Same thing has been said about paul george, kawhi Leonard and jimmy butler, defensive specialist, who lacks any special offense, look at them now..if it wasnt for his injury in last yr playoffs he wouldve been progressed...and when on the court the knicks defense is wayyyy better...

Keep holding on to players who become injury ridden when they put on a wizards uniform...see how far it gets us...and amare has a contract yr comin hes going to step it up...and a 80% healthy amare is better than a healthy nene anyday

[Dat2U]

Same thing has been said about paul george, kawhi Leonard and jimmy butler, defensive specialist, who lacks any special offense, look at them now..if it wasnt for his injury in last yr playoffs he wouldve been progressed...and when on the court the knicks defense is wayyyy better...

Keep holding on to players who become injury ridden when they put on a wizards uniform...see how far it gets us...and amare has a contract yr comin hes going to step it up...and a 80% healthy amare is better than a healthy nene anyday

When was the last time Amar'e was even 80% healthy? There's a real good reason why his contract was never ensured!

And when has Shumpert ever performed at the level of George, Leonard or Butler? Offensively, Shumpert isn't in the same ballpark as those 3.

[TGW]

Same thing has been said about paul george, kawhi Leonard and jimmy butler, defensive specialist, who lacks any special offense, look at them now..if it wasnt for his injury in last yr playoffs he wouldve been progressed...and when on the court the knicks defense is wayyyy better...

Keep holding on to players who become injury ridden when they put on a wizards uniform...see how far it gets us...and amare has a contract yr comin hes going to step it up...and a 80% healthy amare is better than a healthy nene anyday

Shumpert is coming off a serious injury—what makes you think he wouldn't be injury ridden with the Wizards?

You're claiming that Nene is an injury concern, and then concoct a trade for Amare "bionic knee" Stoudemire and Shumpert, who just came off an ACL tear.

GTFOH

[deneem4]

Same thing has been said about paul george, kawhi Leonard and jimmy butler, defensive specialist, who lacks any special offense, look at them now..if it wasnt for his injury in last yr playoffs he wouldve been progressed...and when on the court the knicks defense is wayyyy better...

Keep holding on to players who become injury ridden when they put on a wizards uniform...see how far it gets us...and amare has a contract yr comin hes going to step it up...and a 80% healthy amare is better than a healthy nene anyday

Shumpert is coming off a serious injury—what makes you think he wouldn't be injury ridden with the Wizards?

You're claiming that Nene is an injury concern, and then concoct a trade for Amare "bionic knee" Stoudemire and Shumpert, who just came off an ACL tear.

GTFOH

Kyle lowry
Ricky Rubio
Al jefferson
David west
Jamal crawford
Corey brewer
Kendrick perkins

All had acl injuries, all still productive in the nba
With nene having multiple injuries I dont see him no better than nene...anto say iman doesnt hsve more offensive abilities than Leonard or butler is coocooo...

Iman is very westbrookess and put in the right system will flourish...next to melo and jr, is nt the right fit...

[nate33]

Kyle lowry
Ricky Rubio
Al jefferson
David west
Jamal crawford
Corey brewer
Kendrick perkins

All had acl injuries, all still productive in the nba

Your list does not inspire me. Perkins and Brewer aren't any good. West and Jefferson converted to a power-based game using strength rather than quickness, a feat that Shumpert is unlikely to duplicate at his height. Rubio isn't the player he once was. I'm not so sure Lowry is either.

Crawford is the only guy on the list who had his best years after the ACL injury.

[hands11]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_advanced.html

Yeah, if we just had one more big who could do well off the bench and start in a pinch.
Just grab some board and score some pts.

Blatche ranked 15th in PER in 20 mins TS% .547 9.7 Rbs and 2 ast/36, ORtg 107

So nice we are still paying him $7,794,921 this year and $8,471,339 next year.

So glad the Wizards fans ( including many on this board ) booed him out of town.

It's just shocking that the Nets played worse when he was on the court - shocking I tell you! 3.8 points per 100 possessions worse. But that doesn't matter unless you care about actually winning games. And no doubt he helps the team off the court with his intangibles.

My pen ran out of green font. Otherwise, I woulda used it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/tea ... 3/lineups/

He was part of their 2nd most productive line up.
A. Blatche | R. Evans | J. Johnson | G. Wallace | D. Williams
plus 23

This was their main line up.
B. Lopez |R. Evans | J. Johnson | G. Wallace | D. Williams
plus 5

Of course Dray was an idiot. So were the fans for endlessly booing him. Had they not done that, they could have actually keep him around and traded him when his value wasn't rock bottom. And with Nene missing games, they needed the help up front. Hell, they still need the help up front.

That was the point I was getting at.

[Ruzious]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_advanced.html

Yeah, if we just had one more big who could do well off the bench and start in a pinch.
Just grab some board and score some pts.

Blatche ranked 15th in PER in 20 mins TS% .547 9.7 Rbs and 2 ast/36, ORtg 107

So nice we are still paying him $7,794,921 this year and $8,471,339 next year.

So glad the Wizards fans ( including many on this board ) booed him out of town.

It's just shocking that the Nets played worse when he was on the court - shocking I tell you! 3.8 points per 100 possessions worse. But that doesn't matter unless you care about actually winning games. And no doubt he helps the team off the court with his intangibles.

My pen ran out of green font. Otherwise, I woulda used it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/tea ... 3/lineups/

He was part of their 2nd most productive line up.
A. Blatche | R. Evans | J. Johnson | G. Wallace | D. Williams
plus 23

This was their main line up.
B. Lopez |R. Evans | J. Johnson | G. Wallace | D. Williams
plus 5

Of course Dray was an idiot. So were the fans for endlessly booing him. Had they not done that, they could have actually keep him around and traded him when his value wasn't rock bottom. And with Nene missing games, they needed the help up front. Hell, they still need the help up front.

That was the point I was getting at.

Blaming anything about Blatche on the fans is just... open up the thesaurus to the word "absurd beyond words".

[dckingsfan]

I think the point is - If Blatche was still here he would be the same old Blatche.

He needed a wake-up call to change.

The poor judgment was giving him (a player with poor judgment) the contract extension.

[sfam]

Wow, why didn't I think of that! Turns out I'm to blame for Blatche's poor performance. Sorry folks, I was one of those who booed Blatche's game away.

However, now that I know its possible, I'm going to take this newfound power of mine and cheer Vesely to an All-star appearance. Woohoo!

[TGW]

Fans are stupid for booing Blathce, huh?



Quite frankly, if a player is so fragile-minded that he lets the boos of hometown fans deteriorate his game, then he's a pansy and deserves to be let go. Take the panties out of the bunch and sack up.

[dangermouse]

The problem with Blatche is he probably wouldnt even know whos panties it was he was unbunching, especially if it was the wednesday after lapdance tuesday.

[TGW]

Good times.

[hands11]

Some of you are too funny.

Right. Booing your own basketball player on his home court every time he touched the ball had no effect on his confidence or on the team as a whole. Gotcha.

Look, no one is excusing Drays part in all of this. Thats a strawman.

Hey, some booing was good. Endless booing. It was over done to a point of diminishing returns.

I get Ted/EG letting him go. They wanted a clean break to get the locker room upgraded for Wall and Beal. And to do doing so, Ted ponied up a lot of wasted cash. He had a decision. And put his money where his mouth is.

While with some risk ....another option was to keep him, instead of paying him to leave and untradable at his lowest value, and rehab his value... which in fact he has, then trading him or amnestying him later where another team might actually pick him up.

Fans booing every time he touched the ball on their home court didn't help with providing those later options.

Had the keep him, he would have played with Nene hurt. The team would have that 3rd big they are looking for and they would have a another asset to work in a trade.

Instead, Ted gave in to the angry mob and not only got nothing, he is paying 20M plus for nothing.