BaTATAS 1.0: DISCUSSION THREAD 1 - LOCK PLEASE!!!

[CoolKids]

**** Finley was my target this whole time

[Grinditout]

**** Finley was my target this whole time

He was my backup plan to Blackman. If you're looking for a SF, there's still quality ones available

[CoolKids]

**** Finley was my target this whole time

He was my backup plan to Blackman. If you're looking for a SF, there's still quality ones available

I need one who can shoot 3s I have two options that are just as good left but I like Finley

[CoolKids]

Blackmon is good value I just am not a fan of scorers who can't shoot

[Grinditout]

Blackmon is good value I just am not a fan of scorers who can't shoot

His mid range/pull up jumper was pretty good during his prime. And later on in his career he improved his three point shooting. I would say his shooting is respectable enough that if left open he would hit it more often than not.

[WillyJakkz]

There's a player I wanna choose so bad (for about 2-3 rds now) who just may be the most controversial pick or at least spark a very good convo about the player.

I wanna pm someone so bad to get their opinion and leaning very heavily towards getting them in the last rd unless someone is on the same wavelength as me and picks him first.

Definitely will post name if he goes unpicked.

[CoolKids]

There's a player I wanna choose so bad (for about 2-3 rds now) who just may be the most controversial pick or at least spark a very good convo about the player.

I wanna pm someone so bad to get their opinion and leaning very heavily towards getting them in the last rd unless someone is on the same wavelength as me and picks him first.

Definitely will post name if he goes unpicked.

I'd like to know haha

[spree8]

There's a player I wanna choose so bad (for about 2-3 rds now) who just may be the most controversial pick or at least spark a very good convo about the player.

I wanna pm someone so bad to get their opinion and leaning very heavily towards getting them in the last rd unless someone is on the same wavelength as me and picks him first.

Definitely will post name if he goes unpicked.

Hahaa I have someone at the top of my list that may possibly fit that description. I pray it's not the same person you're thinking lol.

[LBPTarHeel27]

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[LBPTarHeel27]

Here's the bottomline and my final post directed at you in this regard.

You as the Commissioner of this BaT I am grateful that you put it together and know I don't act all knowing, I responded cause plain and simple I got tired of seeing a Commissioner flagrantly and constantly belittle every single player virtually that got picked at one point as if the GM was a moron for taking them.

You need to open your eyes a little bit. As commissioner, OF COURSE I am going to comment on a lot of picks. Why wouldn't I? Again...it'd be one thing if I was criticizing every pick and fit that every team made. That is not the case....I've probably complimented more picks than criticized. Even when I do criticize, I don't take it to a personal level, like you do, and attack basketball intellect/knowledge. If I think a pick is a bad pick...I have no problem saying so and why I feel that way. It is all for discussion and I have every right to make my opinion known...doesn't mean that people have to read it or believe it.

It's their team, let them/ us select who we want within the rules cause at the end of the day it's a competition and if it isn't a pick you would make so what...let peeps pick their team and you would think as a Commissioner you would show more professionalism as the figurehead who put this together.

You got irritated after I started replying to your irritating remarks towards people making picks, don't believe me, maybe you should re-check this thread, giving an opinion is one thing, acting mightier than thou is annoying, then when someone brings up a discrepancy you basically tell em be quiet I'm running this, you knew the rules when you signed up, miss your pick I have no problem eliminating your team.

You clearly put a lot of stock in to the words that are typed on this board and view every opposing opinion as an attack on you, or the person being replied to. If anyone on here has had a record of belittling owners/picks, it is you...without a doubt. You are the only one that views anything I have done as unprofessional. Regardless of that...this is a game. You are making this out to be a much more serious event than it really is. I don't give a damn where I finish this thing...I just want to build MY team and that is the approach that everyone should be taking.

Of course I am going to say that I will eliminate teams due to inactivity. You have been in a bunch of these...you know that inactivity derails these and makes them much less enjoyable. That has nothing to do with attacking anyone...it is just a rule that I wanted to make clear that I would enforce. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I have never used eliminating a team as a threat or a punishment for ANYTHING outside of inactivity...like you are implying. A discrepancy with the rules or the way things are going have never resulted in me making any kind of threat or a negative comment.

I'm having a cool time participating and have done so beyond the Magic board, maybe if you step off the porch and participate in other forums/ threads you'd have a different perspective of certain aspects of being a Commissioner.

Meantime hopefully you'll learn from your experience here and move forward.

You are clearly blind or have no memory. I frequent the Knicks' board to be involved in these. That is how I learned of them. I go to the general board from time to time. Regardless...that has nothing to do with anything. If you can find one other person who feels that I need to "learn from this experience" or feels that I attacked them or there pick...then we can talk. Until then, you are just pulling all of this out of your ass at this point....just because you don't want to be wrong. It is pretty clear you are the one baiting people and waiting for the opportunity to strike.

...and just for the record...he is every post I made in regards to another persons' pick (that wasn't an example of my view of the rules or you & I going back and forth)....

Kareem is definitely a great pick, regardless of how you want to look at it. As you said, the guy's career spanned a ton of time and he was effective for quite a bit of it. That is definitely a plus when you are talking about judgement. If he was there for me, I certainly would have taken him for those reasons AND that he would be just as much fun to build around (in my mind) as Hakeem.

Definitely surprised he went this early...especially when there are more rounded guys out there that are just as capable in terms of scoring. I have Durant at 48 on my big board. But that is what is so great about this...you have a great shot at getting your guy because they are less likely to be everyone else top choice at a given pick. It makes predicting who will be around for your next pick damn near impossible.

Yeah, I had Durant much later and Moses at 23.

Yeah...Kobe falling so far is pretty crazy. Especially when guys like Durant and Moses Malone went before him. There are still some great names available...a couple in particular.

I was wondering when the big O would go. Nice pick.

Agreed...especially when West was still there. I still have two players left on my board that are in my Top 20. Hoping one falls to 35.

Agreed. I was intrigued with the idea of pairing him next to Hakeem...but with my #46 pick, not my 2nd rounder. Not a bad pick...but maybe a bit of a reach.

This. Melo is FAR from a Top 40 player all time.

I have him just inside of 100.

All he does is score...there are a ton of those guys left and they do it better.

Yeah...I actually don't like the fit of Nash and Jordan. As you said, Jordan needs the ball in his hands. He wasn't a big pick n' roll kind of guy. There are a couple PG's left on the board that would be much better fits, IMO.

Obviously Nash is still Nash and Jordan is still Jordan...they would make it work, I just think there are a few options out there that are better. I love the fit of Pierce next to MJ though.

Duncan + Dirk + anyone left is hardly game over. Dirk and Duncan are two really nice players but starting those two from their beginnings means that you now are playing Duncan out of position for the majority of his career. When he was young, he was a PF - without a doubt. All the true big men, for the most part, are gone now days. One of the main reasons Duncan gets away with playin there now. Even then, he still has someone like Splitter to allow him to play his true game...a PF game.

They are two great players...I just don't think they are the best fit together.

He's certainly not bad at center...but with all the talent in this thing, why would you draft a player who is considered to be the best of all time at a certain position...and them put him out of position?

Really?

Dwight: 3 DPOY awards, tons of NBA 1st Teams & All Defensive Teams, a bunch of MVP votes, and a trip to the Finals

Melo: Less MVP votes, 0 NBA First Teams, no idea how to play defense, 1 scoring title, 1 WCF appearance

I'm fine with the Dwight pick. Don't understand the Melo pick though.

I just don't think Melo is even close to a Top 50 Player All-Time...you can at least make an argument for Dwight.

It was actually something we discussed before this even started back in the first few pages. Someone brought up a Melo comparison....Knicks fans don't even see Melo as a Top 50 player all time. All the guy does is score and I can think of 3 that are still on the board that score just as well/better and do more on top of that.

Melo is a good player...but he does nothing to separate himself from the other straight scorers in the past.

I agree...Mutombo was a big reach, IMO, as well.

I think that people are hesitant to take older players because they haven't seen them play in real life.

Not to mention the 5 years he lead the league in rebounding.

I know a lot of us have a bad taste in our mouths when it comes to Dwight but he is still going to go down as one of the all-time great centers...especially if he is back to 100% for Houston.

They are both great players but you basically got two "one trick ponies" with your first two picks.

Shaq got upset when Kobe wouldn't get him the ball.

You think a Melo/Shaq pairing will be more harmonious?

Seems like we are trying to build the same thing. I was trying hard as hell to trade up to take Rick Barry.

He was my BPA after I took Allen. Nice recovery pick.

Bit of a reach there on T-Mac. I know you needed a scorer...but definitely a reach.

Exactly. If you stretch it to the max by just looking at his numbers, he had 7 good seasons. On top of that, the playoff wins...like you mentioned.

That will be an interesting team you put together if you really are thinking of the same person he is, lol.

At the end of the day you will have one of the better teams because of that. You're just going to have to do some educating. Right now you have some studs and there are plenty of other old timers that would fit right in.

Most of the 90's-00's guys are being reached for. Stick to your guns.

He is a great pick at this point and I thought he would have been nice next to Hakeem down low. However, the fact that he could never get through a full season made me think twice. He was normally there when it mattered but if it were not for injuries, he and Tim Duncan would be arguing for best PF of all time.

Lanier was a beast. Nice pick.

It's fun to think about what a guy like him could have done with the medical staffs that are available these days...and the medicine itself. He did all that with REALLY bad knees.

Yeah, I've been trying to trade up and grab him as my 6th man.

Was wondering where G-hill would go. His prime was VERY short but on those couple years, he was arguably the best in the league.

AI the worst player? Talk about hating on a guy and ignoring his game...

Me too....was hoping you'd get him. Your #2 was my #1.

As far as Penny goes...I love the guy but that is clearly either a homer Magic pick, just getting him for fun...or a huge reach. Penny had 4 good years and then got hurt. Not exactly some one you want for your starting lineup.

English was my guy, knowing that you were taking Mullin

Agree with Willy here. Rondo is like Kidd in the sense that the ball needs to be in their hands as much as possible. That is why I have my cornerstone to pair with him (Hakeem) and then guys that don't need the ball to be successful. One to score and one to dominate the defensive end.

Love the Hal Greer pick. A nice wing man to play alongside LeBron.

I was afraid you were going to the current Olympic Stars type of team...glad you didn't go that route. They can barely beat international players.

LeBron has problems with Diaw. Malone and Barkley would get the job done, no doubt

That was the other guy I wanted...the one I would have used the pick for.

F***...I just spent 30 minutes deciding who to pick and settled on him.

Yeah...English was a stud. Another one of the heavily underrated stars of all time. The longevity and impact he had makes him a far greater pick than Sampson, in my mind.

Like I said, you still have a great team. Magic obviously helps push you in the right direction but it is a good squad.

A lot of big men are smart passers out of the post...but Vlade was legitimately a GOOD passer. Those touch passes and dishes while making a post move are the kinds of passes that are not really seen by big men.

Good pick with Kmart but I think I finally disagree with Grinditout. LJ provides a better skill set and can do things that K-Mart can't, in terms of making space for Shaq. Even in his prime, K-Mart was never a guy you wanted taking a mid-range jump shot. He could make a couple...but it wasn't ever the shot you wanted. LJ had a well rounded offensive game that would allow Shaq to do his damage without the risk of an easy double team. I think LJ + K-Mart is a great PF combo...but LJ should start.

[EArl]

**** Finley was my target this whole time

Ive been eyeing Finley for three rounds already. Thought I might have nabbed him in the next round.

[bigdogdylan5]

There's a player I wanna choose so bad (for about 2-3 rds now) who just may be the most controversial pick or at least spark a very good convo about the player.

I wanna pm someone so bad to get their opinion and leaning very heavily towards getting them in the last rd unless someone is on the same wavelength as me and picks him first.

Definitely will post name if he goes unpicked.

Hahaa I have someone at the top of my list that may possibly fit that description. I pray it's not the same person you're thinking lol.

I think were all thinking of the same guy and he could be a defining pick great value here me and my partner talked great at lengths about him but we played safe with most of our picks so we decided against him

[bigdogdylan5]

LBP THROWING DOWN THE HAMMER! lol but that might have been a little much going and getting everyone of ur posts. I would like to thank you man as we wrap this up this has been extremely fun I know we got off on wrong foot with that Mock draft but I have to give props to you this was well organized and well thought out, the most fun I have had on realgm. Getting to learn a lot about older players I wasn't able to see was a real treat and a blast.

[Grinditout]

What's a BAT without a little drama/heated argument lol.

But I also gotta give it up to LBP for arranging and maintaining this whole thing from the very beginning.

[LBPTarHeel27]

LBP THROWING DOWN THE HAMMER! lol but that might have been a little much going and getting everyone of ur posts. I would like to thank you man as we wrap this up this has been extremely fun I know we got off on wrong foot with that Mock draft but I have to give props to you this was well organized and well thought out, the most fun I have had on realgm. Getting to learn a lot about older players I wasn't able to see was a real treat and a blast.

Haha...honestly, I had no idea how many posts I had quoted until I actually saw the post after I clicked submit. Pretty ridiculous, lol. It does drive home my point though...yeah, I commented on a lot of picks...but the majority were compliments and the ones that weren't were playing off of things other people had already said (for the most part). Regardless, I never attacked or belittled anyone for a pick they made.

As for the B-a-T as a whole...I think it has been pretty successful thus far. We still have to keep people engaged through the pimping and judging process but I think we have a good group of people that are going to see this to the end. I think we have all learned a good bit about past players, especially now that we are pretty late in the draft. I've come to realize that the group of players that I know the least about are the early 80's guys that were not on the Celtics or Lakers. Never would have guessed that.

...and to be quite honest, I don't even remember what you are talking about when you mentioned the mock draft and getting off on the right foot. We're good in my book. Thanks for the comments.

[spree8]

From now on, a little less of this...

and this


And a lot more of this..




huh?

[WillyJakkz]

There's a player I wanna choose so bad (for about 2-3 rds now) who just may be the most controversial pick or at least spark a very good convo about the player.

I wanna pm someone so bad to get their opinion and leaning very heavily towards getting them in the last rd unless someone is on the same wavelength as me and picks him first.

Definitely will post name if he goes unpicked.

Hahaa I have someone at the top of my list that may possibly fit that description. I pray it's not the same person you're thinking lol.

I think were all thinking of the same guy and he could be a defining pick great value here me and my partner talked great at lengths about him but we played safe with most of our picks so we decided against him

That would be something if we are all thinking about the same guy!

[Grinditout]

Chet Walker is a good pickup, but I think he was more of a SF than SG when he played. I guess you could use him at SG though.

I like the Stephon Marbury pick, didn't have it all in his head but for a long time averaged 20 and 8.

[CoolKids]

Lol was wondering if starbury would be drafted

[Grinditout]

From looking at the roster thread(not including my own team), I see about 3-4 teams that I would put at the top above others. For the most part though people have been pretty smart in building their teams.