Alfonso Soriano may return to New York

Dr. Detfink · Post #1 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:21 pm

Course, this is a rumor but allegedly the NYY will send a prospect for Alfonso Soriano who is owed 18 million over the next two years. I guess, technically $13.5M since this season is about half over.

IF...If this rumor is true, I hope it doesn't go throught. It sounds like a VERY desperate act to fill some seats, flirt with the wild card, and save their crappy YES ratings.

What I don't understand, where is this "Fiscal responsibility" motto that Cashman and Hal "Bean Counter" Steinbrenner keep preaching?

Ohhhh...that's right. It's BEFORE they realized that they took the OVERCHARGED fans for granted that they'd automatically show up.

This is NYC. You pay some of the highest taxes in the country. The Highest cost of living in the nation. The highest prices for Entertainment.

Why should an owner with a team worth over a billion dollars say, "Oh it's for competitive balance (and escaping the luxury tax!" It is CLEAR Brian Cashman cannot win with a middle tier payroll like he envisioned. Right now, on the field IS a middle tier payroll and about $100M+ on the DL.

How's CC working out after that extension?

How's Pineda? He ever going to pitch for the Yanks this season?

Any chance of trading Phil Hughes, Joba, and or Granderson for some help or prospects?

This is what a middle payroll GM has the answers to. Cashman does not. It's a sit and wait situation.

Dunno who's more clueless Hal or Cash but big problems ahead Yankee fans...big problems.

Vides990 · Post #2 » by **Vides990** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:52 pm

Honestly, I'm not going to mind when Hal puts this team up for sale in a few years......my only concern will be who can afford the 5 Bill + asking price.....

Post #3 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:17 pm

So is 7 games back with 3 better teams ahead of you in the WC race enough for the Yanks to admit that they aren't going to do shite this year? Sadly...probably not.

Should have traded Granderson last season. Held onto him and he's been injured pretty much all season, ruining whatever chance they have of trading him this year. Now it sounds like they are thinking about resigning him because "the injuries might mean he can be resigned for a bargain"? What's a bargain? $15 million per for 3-4 years? How much did Cespedes, Puig, Darvish, etc. cost? Or, ok...some other team signs him and they get a "supplemental pick". Whoopdy-do. With how poorly their minor league scouting appears to be, they would just end up screwing that pick up anyhow.

Should have at least look to deal Cano. Have they really, seriously, honestly, not learned a thing? Are they really going to give Cano a 8 year contract? At age 30? So once more you pay for essentially half the contract and then have a peace of declining dead weight for the other half?

Dr. Detfink · Post #4 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:32 pm

No way Yanks trade Cano.

Need one non-injured offensive star to draw butts to the seats. What Hal & Cash are discovering that you can't rebuild and not be prepared to lose so much money in TV ratings and attendance.

Cash can't draft. Of evaluate talent to trade pieces for a cog in the wheel. End of story.

Pharmcat · Post #5 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:19 am

should b sellers this season

Grover · Post #6 » by **Grover** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:56 am

Though I agree that the Yankees should be sellers it will not happen. Soriano for a middling prospect where most of his salary is accounted for this season is brilliant regardless. I hope Cashman gets the authorization to take on more salary in the form of expiring deals with a few more teams throwing in the towel and deciding to sell.

Vides990 · Post #7 » by **Vides990** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:50 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:No way Yanks trade Cano.

Need one non-injured offensive star to draw butts to the seats. What Hal & Cash are discovering that you can't rebuild and not be prepared to lose so much money in TV ratings and attendance.

Cash can't draft. Of evaluate talent to trade pieces for a cog in the wheel. End of story.

I disagree, you can rebuild, and the Yanks currently aren't rebuilding. They have old crappy veterans everywhere and the team can't win long term, thats why people aren't showing up. NYY fans are smart enough and loyal enough where if they see hope, they'll still follow the team, this team has no hope and trading Cano is the only way to create some.

Cash-man leading the rebuild would be a whole different scenario and one that would probably end badly.

Dr. Detfink · Post #8 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:50 pm

NO. You cannot charge $400 seats and EXPECT them to be sold If you have a LAST place team.

That's the point. They WANT to charge TOP dollar and rebuild by milking the stars. Well, that's not working out now is it?

This move reeks of the mid 80s Yanks, trying to get aging stars for attendance and the hint of a playoff appearance.

Vides990 · Post #9 » by **Vides990** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:56 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:NO. You cannot charge $400 seats and EXPECT them to be sold If you have a LAST place team.

That's the point. They WANT to charge TOP dollar and rebuild by milking the stars. Well, that's not working out now is it?

This move reeks of the mid 80s Yanks, trying to get aging stars for attendance and the hint of a playoff appearance.

I disagree, the Yankees can charge whatever they want and the tickets will sell, while people aren't showing up the stadium is still "sold out." They might have to tweak it some and have done so but that stadium will always sell out.

I agree on your 2nd point and that the current state is not working at all.

I also agree this reeks of 80's Yanks (even if I wasn't around to see it, I know the history)

IMO what they are doing right now isnt rebuilding, theyre "reloading, milking the stars" as you pointed out. If the team went into full rebuild mode and had potential, young players, and media morale I think people show up even if they aren't good, people would be into the team and what they could be. Right now all the team has is old washed up guys and negative press, that'll drive any fan base away.

Dr. Detfink · Post #10 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:42 pm

No they won't sell. They haven't been selling out for a while now. What has been even more interesting is the YES network ratings have been taking a beating.

No, I am sorry if this team is gutted and finishes below .500 there is nothing to indicate that the fans will continue to spend that money if its already apparent the team is losing money from TV revenue and ticket sales.

This is NOT daddy Steinbrenner who will do what it takes to turn a team around, this is his corporate kid and business law lawyer GM who was given the keys to their dad's Ferrari but don't know how to take care of it.

Pharmcat · Post #11 » by **Pharmcat** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:00 am

WTF is this team doing?

another old player with no future?

this team needs a new owner and FO

Dr. Detfink · Post #12 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:01 pm

If this was a trade to upgrade the 3B position because let's face it, it's not a question whether or not A-Rod gets banned but when and for how long...but the OF is crowded enough.

There's talk that Granderson would be willing to take a pay cut to re-sign with the Yanks on a 1 year deal. Why do the Yanks need more OF help NOW this minute? I'm sorry but Soriano is not worth 4.5 this season and another 9M next.

I think the OF is FINE.

Give me an upgrade at 3B, C...even if it's an aging vet, I'll take it. But this does NOTHING for the team but a desperate hope to get attendance back up.

TTorelli · Post #13 » by **TTorelli** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:17 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:If this was a trade to upgrade the 3B position because let's face it, it's not a question whether or not A-Rod gets banned but when and for how long...but the OF is crowded enough.

There's talk that Granderson would be willing to take a pay cut to re-sign with the Yanks on a 1 year deal. Why do the Yanks need more OF help NOW this minute? I'm sorry but Soriano is not worth 4.5 this season and another 9M next.

I think the OF is FINE.

Give me an upgrade at 3B, C...even if it's an aging vet, I'll take it. But this does NOTHING for the team but a desperate hope to get attendance back up.

Not sure what the Yankees plans are with Soriano...they could put him in LF and have Wells DH since Hafner has been horrible recently.

OR they could possibly and try and play him at 3B which would definitely be a stretch but he still has a decent arm and started his career in the infield.

ag3 · Post #14 » by **ag3** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:29 pm

How is anyone against this trade?
Yankees will only pay $11million of his remaining $27million contract.
Soriano is an automatic 20-30HRs. He adds a power bat to a lineup in desperate need of it.

With Granderson returning, we now have 3 legit HR bats in the lineup. And I'm sure Cashman is not done adding players.

Slamm Goodbody · Post #15 » by **Slamm Goodbody** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:51 pm

Smart move considering how little we're paying and the nothing we gave up to get him. We need power in this lineup in the worst way. This move wasn't made for another outfielder, just for another bat. They'll probably cut Hafner (addition by subtraction) to clear space on the 25 man, Soriano becomes primary DH and splits time with Vernon in the OF.

Dr. Detfink · Post #16 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:08 pm

If the Yanks don't take care of business over the week end they can forget about the wild card.

This is Cashman's only card to play. I believe Brian wanted White Sox Alex Rios but he said, "NO." to coming to NY. Soriano was Plan B.

Curtis Granderson is FIVE years younger than Soriano, who can't play LF at Yankee stadium any more than 1-2 times a week. Soriano's right knee makes it difficult for him to turn that way. So he's a DH for the most part.

Look, the farm system is awful. Is Pineda EVER pitching as a Yankee or is this Carl Pavano II?

Will the Soriano move boost ratings and ticket sales? Yes. That's the REAL win and reason why Brian Cash-Money pulled the deal.