OT: Tim Hudson and his curb-stomped ankle

Post #1 » by **YogiStewart** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:09 am

http://deadspin.com/tim-hudson-suffers- ... socialflow

not the most enjoyable of videos to watch

SharoneWright · Post #2 » by **SharoneWright** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:20 am

Stupid Young. Absolutely no awareness. You were always out.

Boogie! · Post #3 » by **Boogie!** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:01 am

can someone give me a pg description of what happened before i open that video and puke all over my keyboard?

Post #4 » by **Geddy** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:05 am

I read the description of the play but not going to watch the video.

Eric Young Jr hits ground ball and Hudson goes to cover the bag. He unfortunately places his foot on the base and Eric Young who is flying down the base line steps on Hudson's foot. Hudson's ankle breaks.

From the description I can't fault Young.

Indiana Jones · Post #5 » by **Indiana Jones** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:13 am

That looked nasty. Good lord...get better Tim.

Wo1verine · Post #6 » by **Wo1verine** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:33 am

Young felt bad about what happened.

Spoiler:

Post #7 » by **Geddy** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:47 am

That needs some spoiler tags

Wo1verine · Post #8 » by **Wo1verine** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:17 am

Geddy wrote:That needs some spoiler tags

Done.

Post #9 » by **YogiStewart** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:27 pm

things are happening so fast. but if anyone's to blame, it is Hudson. touch the outside corner of the bag, dude.

Raptor_Guy · Post #10 » by **Raptor_Guy** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:19 pm

Honestly how does that not happen more? The bag is so small it seems like it's always an accident waiting to happen..

Ado05 · Post #11 » by **Ado05** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:31 pm

YogiStewart wrote:things are happening so fast. but if anyone's to blame, it is Hudson. touch the outside corner of the bag, dude.

Exactly. Dude has his foot right in the middle of the bag. Not Youngs fault at all.

Post #12 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:54 pm

SharoneWright wrote:Stupid Young. Absolutely no awareness. You were always out.

Nah, Hudson had his foot flush in the middle of the bag. Should have been touching the outside corner. Young is just doing what's he's been told to do since he was 8 years old, run it out as fast as possible.

zong · Post #13 » by **zong** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:32 pm

Terrible freak accident, hope Tim recovers, he's a class act.

Side note: I've played 1st Base during my softball years, and I remember the first thing my coach told me about fielding the position was to keep the feet only on maybe 1% of the bag, as the rest of it was always for the baserunner, I guess for a pitcher like Tim it was one of those times where it slipped his mind, just bad luck.

SharoneWright · Post #14 » by **SharoneWright** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:41 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:Stupid Young. Absolutely no awareness. You were always out.

Nah, Hudson had his foot flush in the middle of the bag. Should have been touching the outside corner. Young is just doing what's he's been told to do since he was 8 years old, run it out as fast as possible.

We can disagree - I think it was obvious that Young was beat, and he needs to look up and avoid this regardless of where an off-balance-pitcher-covering-the-bag's foot is. You don't barge in like a bull in a china shop - infact you might even jump to get out of the way. By the letter of the law, sure he can stomp on the middle of the bag, but sometimes you should modify yourself a bit -- jmho.

Edit: Looking at it again for the fist time since last night, I find if very hard to comprehend how his RIGHT foot ended up stomping near the INSIDE of the bag. I still think it was ridiculous.

FlutieX · Post #15 » by **FlutieX** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:48 pm

The thing is, a lot of injuries can happen to the runner when he tries to pull up instead of going 100%. Look at Jose Reyes where he was trying to get to second and instead of focusing on making it, he was looking away and hesitating and it caused him to slide in awkwardly. Being indecisive can cause injuries and I can never fault a runner for going full tilt.

If let's say he tries to change his footing awkwardly to escape mashing into Hudson's ankle, he might turn his own ankle in a weird way. You never know what can happen. From Young's reaction it didn't seem malicious on his part.

SharoneWright · Post #16 » by **SharoneWright** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:51 pm

FlutieX wrote:From Young's reaction it didn't seem malicious on his part.

It's just my opinion - and I'd say braindead rather than malicious. 1st base is always a bit tricky and there's a slightly different etiquette there compared to say, 2nd base. Young was sincerely shook up.

Post #17 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:12 pm

SharoneWright wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:Stupid Young. Absolutely no awareness. You were always out.

Nah, Hudson had his foot flush in the middle of the bag. Should have been touching the outside corner. Young is just doing what's he's been told to do since he was 8 years old, run it out as fast as possible.

We can disagree - I think it was obvious that Young was beat...

That's the thing, you're taught that you're never beat. A slightly offline throw, a mishandled ball only for a second and you could be safe.

As Flutie said, if Young tries to divert too much, he could hurt himself too. I bet if you ask Hudson or polled a bunch of MLB players, they would lay no blame at the feet of Young. They'd say that Hudson stepped in the middle of the bag, instead of the corner and what happened next was unfortunate.

Do you know how fast Young runs and how hard it would be to adjust to miss Hudson's foot? I don't think it's as easy as you imagine.

Post #18 » by **Schad** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:17 pm

Keep in mind also that if Young tried to adjust his foot at the last second, there's a good chance that it would have ended with his fibula anchored six inches deep in the infield dirt. It's the fielder's responsibility to be in a position where they are not impeding the footfall of the guy barreling down the line, because more often than not the person getting injured in those scenarios is the runner.

Which is why there's zero chance that it was intentional; for a guy like Young whose career is built on speed, there's no way that he would intentionally create a situation that could end in a bad foot or ankle injury for himself, especially not in a meaningless (for the Mets) game.

Post #19 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:19 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:
Which is why there's zero chance that it was intentional; for a guy like Young whose career is built on speed, there's no way that he would intentionally create a situation that could end in a bad foot or ankle injury for himself, especially not in a meaningless (for the Mets) game.

Oh yeah, I don't think Sharone is advocating it was intentional, but more negligent.

I disagree, but again, we'll probably end up agreeing to disagree.

Post #20 » by **Schad** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:33 pm

Yeah, if it wasn't clear, by intentional I didn't mean that he was/wasn't trying to injure Hudson, but rather that he wasn't intentionally putting either/both of them in a dangerous situation; it's not about him running through a lost cause, it's the fact that a situation that plays out a couple hundred times per year didn't play out the way it typically does...he wouldn't have anticipated contact until his foot was coming down. First basemen readjust all of the time if they search for the bag and don't catch a corner...pitchers, not always, unfortunately, but he would have been conditioned to expect the foot to be gone when he arrived.