Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[Dat2U]

Instead, Ted gave in to the angry mob and not only got nothing, he is paying 20M plus for nothing.

That's an issue he needs to take up with Ernie Grunfeld, not the fans. Blatche WAS making $3 mil a year. He wouldn't have needed to be amnestied if he never got that extension in the first place.

[nate33]

The relentless booing of Blatche was 100% justified. If he wasn't booed, Blatche would still be playing here, he would still be fat, out of shape, inefficient on offense, and lazy on defense; and he would still cost $7.5M a year against our cap.

By booing him, at least he is no longer hurting our cap room. It doesn't matter to me that Blatche cleaned up his act in Brooklyn. I am 100% certain that it wouldn't have happened here. Besides, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the improvement was temporary. I give him better than 50/50 odds that he will decline dramatically this season.

[hands11]

Instead, Ted gave in to the angry mob and not only got nothing, he is paying 20M plus for nothing.

That's an issue he needs to take up with Ernie Grunfeld, not the fans. Blatche WAS making $3 mil a year. He wouldn't have needed to be amnestied if he never got that extension in the first place.

You are rewinding to far DAT.

Try to stay focused.

The time frame is going into last season and what has happened since.

1) Could the Wizards have used Dray last year ? I think that is a clear yes.

2) Was it very likely Dray got the message from his benching and could see this was it, he was a step away from being out of the league ? I think that was predictably yes.

There were several posters here that predicted a Dray rebound and thought it better that they keep him vs amnesty. There would be better opportunities to move him, amnesty, etc later.

So Ted had a choice. Amnesty and a clean break, but pay out the rss for it.

Keep him and listen to the fans boo like they did last time ( posters here were lining up to do it ) and expose Wall, Beal and the entire team to that freak show forcing them to do interview after interview about it. Deciding between the fans and their teammate.

Look. I'm the one that named him Neck Fat to start with. Lets not turn this into something it isn't. Its not about did Dray mess up. Its about strategy and maximizing assets.

Last year was a major rebuilding year anyway... there was little downside in keeping him one more year. Short of hearing the fans endlessly boo the team because he was on it.

They could have turned Dray for assets. They got nothing. Actually way less then nothing.

[hands11]

The relentless booing of Blatche was 100% justified. If he wasn't booed, Blatche would still be playing here, he would still be fat, out of shape, inefficient on offense, and lazy on defense; and he would still cost $7.5M a year against our cap.

By booing him, at least he is no longer hurting our cap room. It doesn't matter to me that Blatche cleaned up his act in Brooklyn. I am 100% certain that it wouldn't have happened here. Besides, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the improvement was temporary. I give him better than 50/50 odds that he will decline dramatically this season.

I am 100% certain that he would rebound the following year. Here or where ever he landed.

As for temporary. Temporary would likely be enough to have moved him. If not, downside risk was what ? You could still amnesty his right now if you couldn't move him.

As for cap space. What did we use that cap space on ? I forget. They traded to Trevor A and Okafor with the Lewis contract. Temple was a vet min.

Did we use it on Price and and Pargo ? Mack ? Livingston ? Earl Barron ? Jason Collins ?

[nate33]

The relentless booing of Blatche was 100% justified. If he wasn't booed, Blatche would still be playing here, he would still be fat, out of shape, inefficient on offense, and lazy on defense; and he would still cost $7.5M a year against our cap.

By booing him, at least he is no longer hurting our cap room. It doesn't matter to me that Blatche cleaned up his act in Brooklyn. I am 100% certain that it wouldn't have happened here. Besides, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the improvement was temporary. I give him better than 50/50 odds that he will decline dramatically this season.

I am 100% certain that he would rebound the following year. Here or where ever he landed.

As for temporary. Temporary would likely be enough to have moved him. If not, downside risk was what ? You could still amnesty his right now if you couldn't move him.

As for cap space. What did we use that cap space on ? I forget. They traded to Trevor A and Okafor with the Lewis contract. Temple was a vet min.

Did we use it on Price and and Pargo ? Mack ? Livingston ? Earl Barron ? Jason Collins ?

It's cap space we STILL have. It's cap space that should give us max cap room if we decline Vesely's option.

However, you make a valid point that what EG did after amnestying Blatche made no sense whatsoever. By amnestying Blatche and buying out Lewis, he could have freed up $12M in pure cap room to go after free agents like Ryan Anderson, Danny Green, Elton Brand and Brendan Haywood. But instead of buying out Lewis, he traded him for $21M of Okariza contract, squandering all of that cap room. If EG had any kind of plan whatsoever, he could have made that very same Okariza trade without amnestying Blatche. Our roster could have been exactly the same, Ted's wallet would have been exactly the same, and Blatche would have stayed on the roster, either to ride the pine for the entire season, or perhaps maybe he gets a clue and gets himself into shape.

So, in a sense, your criticism of EG amnestying Blatche is fair sense we could have kept him with no penalty whatsoever. But I contend that the decision to amnesty Blatche was a good one in and of itself. The problem was that EG failed to successfully take advantage of the cap room generated. It was really some of the worst offseason GMing I have ever seen. He absolutely wasted an asset for no reason whatsoever. I'm still amazed that he has a job.

[TGW]

The cap space provided from Blache being amnestied doesn't really matter to me, IMO. His presence in the locker room and his terrible attitude was cancerous and needed to be gotten rid of. Whether he was making 3 mil, 7 mil, or 100 bucks—to me it was all the same. He's a cancer, and in general a pretty horrible human being.

[hands11]

The relentless booing of Blatche was 100% justified. If he wasn't booed, Blatche would still be playing here, he would still be fat, out of shape, inefficient on offense, and lazy on defense; and he would still cost $7.5M a year against our cap.

By booing him, at least he is no longer hurting our cap room. It doesn't matter to me that Blatche cleaned up his act in Brooklyn. I am 100% certain that it wouldn't have happened here. Besides, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the improvement was temporary. I give him better than 50/50 odds that he will decline dramatically this season.

I am 100% certain that he would rebound the following year. Here or where ever he landed.

As for temporary. Temporary would likely be enough to have moved him. If not, downside risk was what ? You could still amnesty his right now if you couldn't move him.

As for cap space. What did we use that cap space on ? I forget. They traded to Trevor A and Okafor with the Lewis contract. Temple was a vet min.

Did we use it on Price and and Pargo ? Mack ? Livingston ? Earl Barron ? Jason Collins ?

It's cap space we STILL have. It's cap space that should give us max cap room if we decline Vesely's option.

However, you make a valid point that what EG did after amnestying Blatche made no sense whatsoever. By amnestying Blatche and buying out Lewis, he could have freed up $12M in pure cap room to go after free agents like Ryan Anderson, Danny Green, Elton Brand and Brendan Haywood. But instead of buying out Lewis, he traded him for $21M of Okariza contract, squandering all of that cap room. If EG had any kind of plan whatsoever, he could have made that very same Okariza trade without amnestying Blatche. Our roster could have been exactly the same, Ted's wallet would have been exactly the same, and Blatche would have stayed on the roster, either to ride the pine for the entire season, or perhaps maybe he gets a clue and gets himself into shape.

So, in a sense, your criticism of EG amnestying Blatche is fair sense we could have kept him with no penalty whatsoever. But I contend that the decision to amnesty Blatche was a good one in and of itself. The problem was that EG failed to successfully take advantage of the cap room generated. It was really some of the worst offseason GMing I have ever seen. He absolutely wasted an asset for no reason whatsoever. I'm still amazed that he has a job.

Ted.. Ted was the one who amnestied Blatche. He is writing that check every year for nothing. No GM makes that kind of decision for an owner. Its Teds millions getting spend on nothing.

And it was because he did that, that he didn't want to also pay Lewis to leave as well. So amnesting Dray goes hand in hand with not buying out Lewis which leads to the OkaRiza trade. So you don't get in the running for those players with a Dray amnesty.

Like I said, I understand Ted wanted to clean house, but I think it was a little knee jerkish and it was influenced by the endless fan booing.

They might have been able to get some of those players you mentioned, maybe not. What we do know is they did break up the Lewis contract into two smaller contracts for players that could still play and that helped the team mature. Wasn't it Okafor that gave Wall a talking to that help him turn things around ? Worth the price of admission right there. Plus Trevor A and Okafor are still usual and expiring. So the Lewis contract is still an asset in the form of Okafor and Trevor A on expirings.

They could have just kept Dray, and maybe traded him at the deadline.

Or kept him and been right where they are now, only one year less on his contract to work a trade with a team.

Or if no trades available, they need a 3rd big.... THAT IS WHERE THIS WHOLE THING STARTED

They could have the same team, with

Blatche ranked 15th in PER in 20 mins TS% .547 9.7 Rbs and 2 ast/36, ORtg 107

and they would still have that amnesty in hand, so any future cap space they have now, they could have going into the following year, only they would have his production an he would be a possible trade asset.

With the trump card always being having that amnesty if his production didn't last.

[TGW]

Hands—why are you unwilling to accept that blathce got amnestied for more than just financial reasons? you sound like a little kid with his hands over his ears yelling "blah, blah, blah, I don't want to listen to you."

[dckingsfan]

I'm still amazed that he has a job.

ding, ding, ding, ding...

[hands11]

Hands—why are you unwilling to accept that blathce got amnestied for more than just financial reasons? you sound like a little kid with his hands over his ears yelling "blah, blah, blah, I don't want to listen to you."

Read first... Then post comments that don't represent the posters position.

Then call them names. Blah blah blah.

Look, if you are trying to get your foot in the door as one of the immature, post half cocked idiots on here, that was a decent start. Well done.

[montestewart]

Hands—why are you unwilling to accept that blathce got amnestied for more than just financial reasons? you sound like a little kid with his hands over his ears yelling "blah, blah, blah, I don't want to listen to you."

Hey, I just noticed you stuck a pun in there.

Hands called you a name for calling him a name. I smell a catfight!

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

What's the deal with the Blair situation? I'm a big fan of an Ariza for Blair/Bonner swap.

[payitforward]

Look, if you are trying to get your foot in the door as one of the immature, post half cocked idiots on here, that was a decent start. Well done.

You ought to know...

[penbeast0]

Just out of curiousity, what does "post half cocked" mean? Post as in after, meaning you used to be half-cocked and now you have fired your load and need a reload? Just not getting this.

[LyricalRico]

What's the deal with the Blair situation? I'm a big fan of an Ariza for Blair/Bonner swap.

Me too. That was the firs thing I posted when it broke that WAS was interested. I'd make that trade and then try to move all Seraphin+Booker for a guard and 2nds.

[montestewart]

What's the deal with the Blair situation? I'm a big fan of an Ariza for Blair/Bonner swap.

Me too. That was the firs thing I posted when it broke that WAS was interested. I'd make that trade and then try to move all Seraphin+Booker for a guard and 2nds.

Therese's a thread on the trade board with that trade. Hasn't been getting much activity.

[closg00]

Hands—why are you unwilling to accept that blathce got amnestied for more than just financial reasons? you sound like a little kid with his hands over his ears yelling "blah, blah, blah, I don't want to listen to you."

"The owner made him do it" has been hands favorite excuse for defending every bad Grunfeld move. All of the bad moves before Ted were blamed by Hands on the Mr. Burns-like Abe Pollin who was micro-managing the team from his death-bed. Remember this infamous thread? viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1042732

[hands11]

Just out of curiousity, what does "post half cocked" mean? Post as in after, meaning you used to be half-cocked and now you have fired your load and need a reload? Just not getting this.

If you don't know what half cocked means, maybe you should look it up. Its a fairly main stream term. Surprised you never heard anyone use it before.

[hands11]

Hands—why are you unwilling to accept that blathce got amnestied for more than just financial reasons? you sound like a little kid with his hands over his ears yelling "blah, blah, blah, I don't want to listen to you."

"The owner made him do it" has been hands favorite excuse for defending every bad Grunfeld move. All of the bad moves before Ted were blamed by Hands on the Mr. Burns-like Abe Pollin who was micro-managing the team from his death-bed. Remember this infamous thread? viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1042732

Another misreprentation of my position.

Look, owner play a role in the front office, period. End of story. That is well documented throughout all of sports and tons of teams in multiple leagues. Its not even a topic worth debating. Its a fact. They own the team. Its their money.

Hell, look no further then our own Washington Redskins and Baltimore Orioles. LA. Dallas. etc. etc. Its true of pretty much every team. It the owner that says, go for it at all cost, lets stay under the cap and just fill the sets or lets do a slow build through the draft. Its his business. His money.

EG is not running this show solo. He is part of a front office who is paid by the owner. Somethings the owner get more involved in, some less. Peaking order goes, Owner, GM not GM, Owner. Owners decide how power and decisions they will delegate. I'm sure every team does it slightly different but rarely if ever does a GM have 100% control. Sometimes big name GM negotiate full control into their contracts before they will even take the job. GMs like Bill Parcells was. But he had the pull to do that. EG didn't have that pull. Hell, Abe hire a HC before even hiring EG. That shows you something about how Abe wanted things run. He didn't even allow his new GM to pick his own HC. That's almost unheard of. Not like there was a sitting HC already. Those decision were make like a month apart.

No way in hell they amnesty Dray and pay him 20M to go away and get nothing in return for him because EGs decided that. Specially not when he was only on a two year contract. We are talking 24M of Teds money for NOTHING. Sure Ted and EG spoke about it, but the decision to do that is Teds. Period. If Ted said no, then Dray would not have been amnestied. Ted says yes, then he is. Period.

Another example. It was Abe who said EG couldn't go over the cap and then it was Abe who later allowed him to do it. When it comes to big money decision, you can rest assured the owner is making the final decision. Also when it has to do with top draft picks getting traded or not.


As for the thread you posted. Thanks. I was wondering where that was.

Once we are in the playoff this year, that should be a good read. Considering when that thread was made and the general ... we will suck forever mood of the board back then..and looking at the team today...best set of talent it has had since the Nash teams with Webber... I would have to say I was pretty much right.

Wall, Beal, Otto, Nene and Okafor will be better then Gil, CB, AJ and Haywood. And we have the potential for having cap space next summer. And the team actually plays good defense. Its also has a true PG and a true SG. Still more work to do but things are looking good.

The team did get rebuild and in a better way then it was last time they were in the playoffs. This configuration has lots more upside and room to grow. Ted set a long term plan. Tank and build through the draft and clean up the cap. EG executed.

[Ruzious]

What's the deal with the Blair situation? I'm a big fan of an Ariza for Blair/Bonner swap.

Me too. That was the firs thing I posted when it broke that WAS was interested. I'd make that trade and then try to move all Seraphin+Booker for a guard and 2nds.

Wouldn't that involve a sign and trade by SA? Under the current CBA, is SA permitted to do an S&T?