Luis Scola Trade

EuroPacer · Post #41 » by **EuroPacer** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:48 pm

I have to say I am a bit disappointed that Plumlee has been included AS WELL as a first round pick. I agree with Wizop, that seems a high price to pay. This move than illustrates that the FO feel this is the year to try and do it, which is great, but what about the years after? Are we going to have enough developing talent behind PG24 and Big Roy?

The advantage I suppose is that Plumlee's rookie contract is off the table, as well as the rookie contract for 2014, meaning that Stephenson can be made a reasonable offer and even showing some potential to keep DG on a contract (I'd love to see him retire a Pacer) but those are risky moves to anticipate at the moment as either might fall through, and then?

Anyway, this year the rotation looks awesome, and I am genuinely excited about having Scola on board.

Wizop · Post #42 » by **Wizop** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:15 pm

rsavaj wrote:What can you guys tell Suns fans about Miles Plumlee? Is he a stiff?

he hasn't shown that he is NBA ready but he is not a stiff. he's very athletic. in summer league he's a stand out rebounder and shot blocker and displays hooks with either hand. now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he is a great player or even has NBA talent although coach K has said he could be the best of the three Plumlee if he becomes confident in his abilities.

when they drafted him they said they'd drafted a Jeff Foster type and Jeff was a fan favorite that did all the things that coaches notice and fans miss. he rebounded. he defended. he set good screens. he didn't score and you could make a good drinking game out of Jeff Foster missed layups. will Miles be Jeff? if he can, you got a steal, but he didn't show it as a rookie.

Jajwanda · Post #43 » by **Jajwanda** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:36 pm

It's going to be ugly for Miami guarding Scola. He's too tough of a matchup in the post for Battier and if you have to insert Haslem that slows down Miami's offense.

Post #44 » by **Jake0890** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:58 pm

EuroPacer wrote:I have to say I am a bit disappointed that Plumlee has been included AS WELL as a first round pick. I agree with Wizop, that seems a high price to pay. This move than illustrates that the FO feel this is the year to try and do it, which is great, but what about the years after? Are we going to have enough developing talent behind PG24 and Big Roy?

The advantage I suppose is that Plumlee's rookie contract is off the table, as well as the rookie contract for 2014, meaning that Stephenson can be made a reasonable offer and even showing some potential to keep DG on a contract (I'd love to see him retire a Pacer) but those are risky moves to anticipate at the moment as either might fall through, and then?

Anyway, this year the rotation looks awesome, and I am genuinely excited about having Scola on board.

If you're worried about having talent behind Paul and Roy, Miles Plumlee does nothing to solve that. He'll be a role player in the prime of his career and nothing more. You could sign a vet on the minimum or the exact same things he brings to the table.

Gerald Green didn't have any value, Plumlee (to me, but apparently not to everyone else) was never going to be any good, and a lottery protected first, and our first could be very late anyhow.

SmashMouthRod · Post #45 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:20 pm

It was a good deal because it frees up cash for Stephenson and George. Plumlee's contract; and the 2014 first round pick salary will help with bringing back our young stars. That alone makes this a good trade; and then you add in an upgrade at the backup 4 for the next two seasons; dont know if you can do any better than Scola with the 2014 first rounder; and Plumlee may end up being a good player but losing him is worth the risk bc a solid role playing big can be drafted or picked up later in a couple seasons or when necessary.

Post #46 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:50 pm

How long has it been since we've had a foreign player? Last I can remember is Saras.

Post #47 » by **Jake0890** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:52 pm

pacers33granger wrote:How long has it been since we've had a foreign player? Last I can remember is Saras.

Leandro Barbosa from Brazil?

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Wizop · Post #48 » by **Wizop** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:56 pm

Ian is French.

Post #49 » by **Miller4ever** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:01 pm

PG is from Mars.

xBulletproof · Post #50 » by **xBulletproof** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:07 pm

I was waiting for the official word from how this was going down to comment, but man am I excited.

We took Greens 3.5 million in essentially dead money and turned it into a 10 point-5 rebound guy off the bench. Scola isn't a great defender individually but neither was Hansbrough so that's a wash. Except Scola is a much better player on offense. That's a huge win for a 2nd unit that looked like we trotted out a WNBA team when our starters hit the bench last year. Especially early in the year when Vogel was stuck on his hockey substitutions idea (all bench players, or all starters on the floor, no inbetween).

Dropping Plumlee and the 1st round pick just saves us cash against the luxury tax next year. That's actually a positive move for us as well.

This is all good and virtually no bad involved for us. I see it the same for the Suns. Maybe high flying Plumlee and Green can get them a few extra views and tickets sold waiting for the big dunks while what they are really competing for is Wiggins. This is a great deal for both teams, really. Doesn't happen often.

Post #51 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:48 pm

Totally forgot about Ian being foreign. I don't really count Barbosa as he was merely a very short term rental who didn't even play much.

LarsV8 · Post #52 » by **LarsV8** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:37 am

Great pick up for you guys.

Scola is a rockstar.

Post #53 » by **Jake0890** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:04 am

pacers33granger wrote:Totally forgot about Ian being foreign. I don't really count Barbosa as he was merely a very short term rental who didn't even play much.

For the record, though Barbosa was a rental, he averaged 20 mpg for us.

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Post #54 » by **Grang33r** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:49 am

The last significant foreigner must of been Peja. No?

mikepacernation · Post #55 » by **mikepacernation** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:14 am

Post #56 » by **pacers33granger** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:12 am

Jake0890 wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:Totally forgot about Ian being foreign. I don't really count Barbosa as he was merely a very short term rental who didn't even play much.

For the record, though Barbosa was a rental, he averaged 20 mpg for us.

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Good point. I suppose my view on him is clouded due to his horrid post season for us. His injuries didn't help.

Peja would likely be the last big foreigner we had, but he was somewhat of a rental as well (glad we didn't match that contract). I guess the only other one I could think of that was significant would be Smits or Detlef.

Post #57 » by **Charcoal Filtered** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:18 pm

I like the move, but am not giving credit to KP for putting out a fire he started.

The Green contract was a bad idea to begin with. Our cap space last year would have been better utilized not making the IM trade and signing DJ and Green. We could have made a better amnesty claim and had him last year. Now, it costs our 2012 1st as well as a 2014 pick.

JeffFosters · Post #58 » by **JeffFosters** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:03 pm

Gents. I'm backpacking in rural Cambodia and have searched high and far for an Internet cafe to express my excitement.

My brother told me over the phone and I scared a few Cambodians with my reaction.

I accept the point above about costing two picks when they could've just made an aggressive waiver claim, but this is a great trade on its merits and I'm up and about.

Talk to you guys in another few months!

Wizop · Post #59 » by **Wizop** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:07 pm

I do not think you guys are right about missing on a waiver claim. I'm pretty sure waiver claims work like draft picks with the worst team's claim getting honored. I think the Sun's claim would have come in ahead of ours. I do agree on the bigger point that a lot of this was repairing damage from deals that missed last year.

Post #60 » by **pacers33granger** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:00 pm

Don't amnesty claims go to whoever puts in the highest bid (I think bids are secretive too)? That means we would have had to go up to at least 5 mil and I'm not sure we would have with Tyler and Pendergraph already on the roster. We'd still have a hole at backup point too.

Overall I'm fine with losing the two picks. It seems pretty obvious at this point that Pritchard sucks and got lucky with some picks in Portland. I'm just glad Larry came back as soon as he did so this team didn't get messed up.