Boxing Thread 3.0

[Blame Rasho]

I'm not impressed with Shiming. The problem is that despite his amateur and Olympic pedigree, he's a 31 year old rookie. He only has a limited amount of time(prime years) to get acclimated to the pros before he starts fighting legit competition. From what I've seen thus far, he really doesn't have the skill set to become a good fighter. He swings very wildly, opens himself up to get hit way too easily, and lacks power. While his style can potentially be entertaining, I just don't see him making it very far as a professional.

Arum is smart though. He'll make as much money as he can off him due to his popularity in China, and continue to throw tomato cans in his direction.

Shiming would get killed by any of the three Kameda brothers... and that would be an epic fight in either China or Japan.

[Rich Rane]

I managed to catch the last 3 rounds of Soto Karass and Berto. If anything before was like it, lack of elite skills and loose hands, I must have missed a very entertaining fight.

[Butch718]

My fights of the year so far.

1. Arakawa/Figueroa
2. Bradley/Prov
3. Rios/Alvarado II
4. Lara/Angulo
5. Froch/Kessler II
6. Maidana/Lopez

[Butch718]

I'm not impressed with Shiming. The problem is that despite his amateur and Olympic pedigree, he's a 31 year old rookie. He only has a limited amount of time(prime years) to get acclimated to the pros before he starts fighting legit competition. From what I've seen thus far, he really doesn't have the skill set to become a good fighter. He swings very wildly, opens himself up to get hit way too easily, and lacks power. While his style can potentially be entertaining, I just don't see him making it very far as a professional.

Arum is smart though. He'll make as much money as he can off him due to his popularity in China, and continue to throw tomato cans in his direction.

Shiming would get killed by any of the three Kameda brothers... and that would be an epic fight in either China or Japan.

I hate to say this, but I don't know anything about the Kameda brothers. I'll take your word for it though.

[Butch718]

BTW, Thurman needs to take geography lessons. Dude thought he was in San Diego last night.

[Butch718]

That stoppage was really, really awful.

But still, that ko shows more Berto flaws when he leaves his feet for a freakin jumping, reaching hook. Looks the part but has so many giant flaws to his game

The guy has a lot of heart. But you're right, his skill set leaves plenty to be desired. His attempt at the shoulder roll is beyond amateurish.

[Blame Rasho]

The stoppage was good. His legs were gone and couldn't even balance himself. Ref is there to protect fighter. He did that. Berto would have been teed off if you let it go on. Berto put himself in a position to be stopped.

[Blame Rasho]

I hate to say this, but I don't know anything about the Kameda brothers. I'll take your word for it though.

They are kinda like the rockstars of boxing Japan. They get like 80 million ppl to see them fight on their respective national TV and the WBA loves them like how the WBC loves Mexican fighters.

Koki is the oldest... has only won loss vs the Thai kinpin... Pornsawsomething... He is pretty solid in almost everything and considered the most well rounded of the three. He had several wins that should be losses and had protests. He was in the discussion to fight Donaire. He was the legit ring champ for a while.

Daiki... is the bad mofo and pretty wild in how he fights. Has been suspended from boxing for punching the champ Naito who was down, body slamming him and bunch of other stuff.

Tomoki is likely the most skilled one out of them with heavy hands. A boxer puncher type of guy. The guy lets his hands go and I often see him fighting on Mexican TV. He is really young.

After that... I need to google stuff about them.

[Butch718]

Thanks. I'm going to see if I can find some youtube videos of them.

[cowboyronnie]

My fights of the year so far.

1. Arakawa/Figueroa
2. Bradley/Prov
3. Rios/Alvarado II
4. Lara/Angulo
5. Froch/Kessler II
6. Maidana/Lopez

It's been a great year. I haven't watched the Figueroa fight, it's hard to imagine anything being able to top Bradley vs RP.

[cowboyronnie]

If Berto wins this fight, they should feed him to Adrien Broner or some other 147 prospect. Berto is completely done as a serious contender, still trying to do the same dumb crap with the philly shell and shoulder shell despite having zero reflexes. Mayweather can do that because he sees them coming and moves away, Berto still hasn't learned that he has a complete inability to avoid hooks

You're right, he would just sit still, leaning away from the punches but not moving. There were points where he'd eat 2, 3 right straights over the top of his shoulder in a row and not flinch.

It's makes some sense because his right uppercut is so vicious but he just doesn't have the fluidity, all that body builder muscle or what, IDK.

[Em1]

Arakawa was truly amazing last night. From the opening bell he appeared to be throwing these soft handed patting punches all the while getting blitzed and you're thinking no way does he make it out the first round. But he did. Dude is tough.

Berto has never learned to be a defensive fighter because he never had to. Coming up he could blow people out the water with his power and speed but at 147 he doesn't hit as hard. It happens a lot. Broner may have similar problems. I will say this about Berto though, as a person, he always takes his losses like a man and he never quits.

[Blame Rasho]

Arakawa was truly amazing last night. From the opening bell he appeared to be throwing these soft handed patting punches all the while getting blitzed and you're thinking no way does he make it out the first round. But he did. Dude is tough.

Berto has never learned to be a defensive fighter because he never had to. Coming up he could blow people out the water with his power and speed but at 147 he doesn't hit as hard. It happens a lot. Broner may have similar problems. I will say this about Berto though, as a person, he always takes his losses like a man and he never quits.

Guys like him are cut from a different cloth compared to other fighters....

[Butch718]

My fights of the year so far.

1. Arakawa/Figueroa
2. Bradley/Prov
3. Rios/Alvarado II
4. Lara/Angulo
5. Froch/Kessler II
6. Maidana/Lopez

It's been a great year. I haven't watched the Figueroa fight, it's hard to imagine anything being able to top Bradley vs RP.

Bradley/Prov provided more dramatic moments. But the thing that stood out about the Arakawa and Figueroa fight was that the two of them were in the phone booth from start to finish. Even the Rios/Alvarado bouts had rounds where the action stalled a bit. Arakawa/Figueroa was just a non-stop slug fest. It was unreal. Those two could have gone old school and fought a full 15 rounds.

[Em1]

Looks like we may be headed to a Broner vs Maidana fight in November. And with MM having a capable english social media translator on staff, the buildup will be entertaining.

[Blame Rasho]

Well I am pissed off at TWC with their spat with CBS... it is costing me Showtime...

[ItsDaBrush]

Ko of the year last night, Stevens wants GGG in November

[Butch718]

Quite frankly there are a bunch of better middleweights for GGG to fight. It's just a matter of seeing how wants to man up and be a good boy. Gale, Sturm, JCCJ, Murray and tougher and better match ups for GGG at this point. I'm not even including Quillin because he fights on Showtime.

[ItsDaBrush]

Golovkin's supposed to fight in November on HBO, guys like Curtis Stevens and Sergio Mora are the biggest names available. HBO showed his fights vs garbage man Proska and journeyman 154er Rosado, Stevens is much better than that.

I doubt those other guys fight Golovkin either since there are more profitable fights elsewhere and K2 always offer terrible money

[Butch718]

If those guys don't fight GGG, it's not going to be because of a lack of profit. It's going to because losing to GGG via brutal KO would drop their stock. GGG has established himself as much watch television on HBO and has garnered a good following(that's only growing) in a relatively short period of time. In the right venue(in a city with a substantial Russian population), a fight with GGG would generate a good amount of revenue.

Also, HBO showed those late night fights with Proska and Rosado when GGG was still relatively unknown and making a name for himself. Going from Macklin to Stevens would be a step down in competition. But you do make a good underlying point. Stevens and Mora would make sense due to availability. It's just not the fights that I personally want to see. That being said, GGG may not have any other choice ATM.