Please critique my analysis

[jazzfan1971]

#29 - Phoenix Suns

PG - Goran Dragic, Kendall Marshall
SG - Eric Bledsoe, Shannon Brown
SF - P.J. Tucker, Caron Butler
PF - Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris
C - Alex Len, Miles Plumblee
D - Channing Frye (if healthy), Archie Goodwin, Micheal Beasley, Gerald Green

I left Gortat off the roster. I did it on purpose. I think he's getting moved sooner than later. There is just no reason to have him on the roster, he's only going to make the draft pick worse and hinder the development of Len. I have no idea if Frye comes back or not, I suspect that Suns are hoping for a medical waiver and will push hard in that direction. Beasley and Green are kinda interesting, I could see either or both getting significant run and I have no idea who P.J Tucker is and Butler might not suit this team as much as Green or Beasley.

Phoenix has a little more talent than Philly. At least they can boast a starting PG. But, I think this year will be about developing youth more than anything. I expect they'll try hard to win games and will be at least mediocre on their home floor, but, I don't expect much beyond that. P.J. Tucker might be a nice fantasy sleeper as there might be a lot of folks like myself who are completely in the dark about him (even as a starter in 29mpg his stats weren't much to write home about though). Len is another guy who might be a nice sleeper pick.

Projected record: 21-61

[Kerrsed]

Thats about right.....with a few changes.

McD (along with 99% of our board) is in love with Goodwin. He should be playing the back-up PG as our FO doesnt have much faith in Marshall. We have been desperately trying to include Marshall in any trade we can, but havent found a taker. A birdie also told me that we tried to include him into the Pacers trade, and even though they have little PG depth, they wouldnt even take him.

I also believe that Butler will be getting the start over Tucker. This accomplishes two things for us, we get a veteran presence in our starting 5, and we also are able to increase his stock, as i see us trying to trade him for assets to a contending team later in the season. He was a former all-star whos career took a downward turn after injurys. Once we get him healthy and playing with some young bucks, his production and value should rise.

[sunster]

Pretty much what Kerrsed said

[mybloodisorange]

Ya I would be suprised if we didnt try to tie Marshall to every trade from here forward.

[SUN]

tl;dr: we suck

[jazzfan1971]

Thats about right.....with a few changes.

McD (along with 99% of our board) is in love with Goodwin. He should be playing the back-up PG as our FO doesnt have much faith in Marshall. We have been desperately trying to include Marshall in any trade we can, but havent found a taker. A birdie also told me that we tried to include him into the Pacers trade, and even though they have little PG depth, they wouldnt even take him.

I also believe that Butler will be getting the start over Tucker. This accomplishes two things for us, we get a veteran presence in our starting 5, and we also are able to increase his stock, as i see us trying to trade him for assets to a contending team later in the season. He was a former all-star whos career took a downward turn after injurys. Once we get him healthy and playing with some young bucks, his production and value should rise.

I'll make the change on Marshall for Goodwin. I'm not sold on Butler yet.

[RunDogGun]

I'm not sure on Butler netting us assets, but who knows with McD playing people's strings.

I just don't see us getting anything good that didn't have a crap contract attached to a deal. Tucker seemed to do whatever he wanted in summer league, he might be the heart and soul of our team, but I understand Kerrsed's reasoning for starting Butler.

[mybloodisorange]

I just wanted to say that I love Tucker but I agree that he is probably best coming off the bench. Just having Tucker on the roster is going to have a positive effect on all the new young kids that we bring in; they can see what real defensive intensity looks like from day one.

Gotta love that!

[lilfishi22]

Thats about right.....with a few changes.

McD (along with 99% of our board) is in love with Goodwin. He should be playing the back-up PG as our FO doesnt have much faith in Marshall. We have been desperately trying to include Marshall in any trade we can, but havent found a taker. A birdie also told me that we tried to include him into the Pacers trade, and even though they have little PG depth, they wouldnt even take him.

I also believe that Butler will be getting the start over Tucker. This accomplishes two things for us, we get a veteran presence in our starting 5, and we also are able to increase his stock, as i see us trying to trade him for assets to a contending team later in the season. He was a former all-star whos career took a downward turn after injurys. Once we get him healthy and playing with some young bucks, his production and value should rise.

I don't understand the desire to play Goodwin at PG. Horny and McD both made a mention of Goodwin at PG but I just see why we have to force him into playing PG. I'm not saying this in a Goodwin v Marshall point of view, more just our long term plans for him. I could see how experience playing PG would be beneficial to most guards but it seems our front office see more at PG for Goodwin. I see him as a prototypical SG, good length, good height, an aggressive scorer's mentality, ability to create off the dribble and an ever-improving shooter.

If it's just a matter of Marshall or Goodwin at PG, I'd still rather see Goodwin play the SG and continue to develop his skills in that position.

[gaspar]

From what we've heard from Horny and McDonough the Suns will be playing with 2 guards without a traditional PG/SG, just simply a backcourt. Unless we are playing against a Kobe or Joe Johnson any combination of Dragic/Bledsoe/Goodwin/Marshall/Brown can coexist on the court.

IMO Gortat will be on the team at least for 2-3 months at the start of the season. Len is injured and even when healthy he would get destroyed by every average C in the league, he's still a kid. Plumlee is not an NBA player ATM.

[Kerrsed]

Thats about right.....with a few changes.

McD (along with 99% of our board) is in love with Goodwin. He should be playing the back-up PG as our FO doesnt have much faith in Marshall. We have been desperately trying to include Marshall in any trade we can, but havent found a taker. A birdie also told me that we tried to include him into the Pacers trade, and even though they have little PG depth, they wouldnt even take him.

I also believe that Butler will be getting the start over Tucker. This accomplishes two things for us, we get a veteran presence in our starting 5, and we also are able to increase his stock, as i see us trying to trade him for assets to a contending team later in the season. He was a former all-star whos career took a downward turn after injurys. Once we get him healthy and playing with some young bucks, his production and value should rise.

I don't understand the desire to play Goodwin at PG. Horny and McD both made a mention of Goodwin at PG but I just see why we have to force him into playing PG. I'm not saying this in a Goodwin v Marshall point of view, more just our long term plans for him. I could see how experience playing PG would be beneficial to most guards but it seems our front office see more at PG for Goodwin. I see him as a prototypical SG, good length, good height, an aggressive scorer's mentality, ability to create off the dribble and an ever-improving shooter.

If it's just a matter of Marshall or Goodwin at PG, I'd still rather see Goodwin play the SG and continue to develop his skills in that position.

The reason i put him at PG is simple. A- because thats what Horny and McD said (exactly what you pointed out), B- because he played PG in college, and C- because with all of our guards, Brown>>>Marshall. If you play Goodwin at SG, that means less minutes for Brown at SG and more minutes for Marshall at PG.

[sunstrooper]

You want a guy who thinks about passing the ball ONLY when he's up in the air with 3 defenders on top of him running the point with Brown as SG? The only difference between Brown and Goodwin is that Brown can actually make some of the shots he takes. Goodwin was pathetic in SL...guess how it's going to be in the NBA...

[RunDogGun]

From what we've heard from Horny and McDonough the Suns will be playing with 2 guards without a traditional PG/SG, just simply a backcourt. Unless we are playing against a Kobe or Joe Johnson any combination of Dragic/Bledsoe/Goodwin/Marshall/Brown can coexist on the court.

IMO Gortat will be on the team at least for 2-3 months at the start of the season. Len is injured and even when healthy he would get destroyed by every average C in the league, he's still a kid. Plumlee is not an NBA player ATM.

I agree with this. From what Horny has said, he won't really have much of a traditional backcourt. Whoever gets the ball on the outlet will push the ball up the court.

[DRK]

You want a guy who thinks about passing the ball ONLY when he's up in the air with 3 defenders on top of him running the point with Brown as SG? The only difference between Brown and Goodwin is that Brown can actually make some of the shots he takes. Goodwin was pathetic in SL...guess how it's going to be in the NBA...

[lilfishi22]

The reason i put him at PG is simple. A- because thats what Horny and McD said (exactly what you pointed out), B- because he played PG in college, and C- because with all of our guards, Brown>>>Marshall. If you play Goodwin at SG, that means less minutes for Brown at SG and more minutes for Marshall at PG.

If we're slotting him at the PG so we can develop his passing and leadership skills then I'm all for it. But if we're putting him in there because we want him to be something he isn't then that's counter-intuitive.

[Revived]

I think Goodwin will be the backup SG not Brown. I think he should have convinced Hornacek by now that he's a SG not a PG.

I think Marshall gets traded soon and Garrett becomes backup PG.

And I think Butler starts to build up trade value and since he's the vet leader of this team.

Gortat won't be traded soon cause Len isn't healthy and the Suns want to ease Len in, not throw him in and expect him to play 25-30 mins. Plus the market for Cs right now is low since mostly all teams are content with what they have at C.

Here's my guess at our depth chart for the season opener

G – Goran Dragic, Diante Garrett, Kendall Marshall (but I think he gets traded before season starts)
G – Eric Bledsoe, Archie Goodwin, Gerald Green, Shanon Brown
F – Caron Butler, Marcus Morris, Michael Beasley
F – Markieff Morris, P.J. Tucker , Channing Frye (?) or Beasley
C – Marcin Gortat, Alex Len, Miles Plumlee

I don't think Plumlee will get quality minutes until Gortat is traded.

[Revived]

You want a guy who thinks about passing the ball ONLY when he's up in the air with 3 defenders on top of him running the point with Brown as SG? The only difference between Brown and Goodwin is that Brown can actually make some of the shots he takes. Goodwin was pathetic in SL...guess how it's going to be in the NBA...

You suck...even at trolliing

[SUN]

You want a guy who thinks about passing the ball ONLY when he's up in the air with 3 defenders on top of him running the point with Brown as SG? The only difference between Brown and Goodwin is that Brown can actually make some of the shots he takes. Goodwin was pathetic in SL...guess how it's going to be in the NBA...

[lilfishi22]

You want a guy who thinks about passing the ball ONLY when he's up in the air with 3 defenders on top of him running the point with Brown as SG? The only difference between Brown and Goodwin is that Brown can actually make some of the shots he takes. Goodwin was pathetic in SL...guess how it's going to be in the NBA...

This is about as perfect a gif for this situation as possible.

[sunstrooper]

I am not trolling at all...although i'd be interested to hear at what else i suck. I just fail to comprehend the level of brainwashing you guys have underwent with all this "superstar" and "talant" BS the media put in your heads for the last 15 years only to increase the NBA's and their own profits.
It's confusing sometimes how you hate the likes of Brown and Beasly for not passing the ball, for stupid shot selection and for clogging the offense. Then again someone told you that Goodwin is "talented" and "a future star" and all of a sudden you love him doing absolutely the same as the above mentioned, and on top of that you want him as a PG. I think i'm the one who has to do the facepalm (and i actually do it alot reading posts here).