Luis Scola Trade

[Starkiller]

Sorry if this has been covered but how does this deal affect our ability to resign PG?

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[8305]

I too am a little disappointed that Plumlee was thrown into this deal. If I'm Phoenix I'm pretty pleased with this deal. But, Scola is potential a big difference maker this season. Give the Pacers a legit bench and they become a very tough out. I think they are "all in" for a chip this year.

We really can't tell Suns fans much about Plumlee. He got virtually no run in real games. He looked pretty good in the Summer League this summer and last but, I can't say I saw remarkable improvement from one year to the next. That's hard when the objective for him was to be the next Jeff Foster though. Most everyone thought he was a reach when we took him last year. There's no real evidence to refute that now. From Summer League games, he'll never be an offensive threat, could be a solid defender, but not a shot blocker. I like him defending guys off the dribble better than in the post.

[Wizop]

Don't amnesty claims go to whoever puts in the highest bid

I looked it up. we're both right. you can make a full or a partial amnesty waiver claim. if more than one full claim is received, the team with the worst record wins. if only partial claims are received, the highest bid gets the player.

[Pacerlive]

Sorry if this has been covered but how does this deal affect our ability to resign PG?

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It doesn't at all. The salaries match but we still will have to let Granger or Lance walk to stay under the LT.

[Wizop]

Sorry if this has been covered but how does this deal affect our ability to resign PG?

safe to say we wouldn't have done it if it hurt that ability. Paul will get his extension before October.

now it might affect our ability to resign Granger - if we have any ability to do that. the Scola contract wasn't fully guaranteed so maybe we can cut him loose after a year, but that isn't fully clear because some are saying the waiver claim made it guaranteed. eventually we'll learn for sure how that works. I think this trade shows that we are in full win now mode which makes it highly unlikely we'll be trading Granger's expiring contract mid-year. you just don't trade two first round picks (one past and one future) unless you are very happy with your roster.

[Mr. E]

I love this trade for you guys. Scola is a hard worker with good veteran presence. His game does not rely on athleticism, so age isn't as big a factor as it might be with others. He's a legit starter whom I'm assuming you guys will use as the backup big man (both the 4 & 5) which may be ideal for him at this point in his career.

You will never have to worry about this guy's heart or attitude. He will bring his best every night and he will do what your team needs to be successful.

Early candidate for 6th Man.

[CPBalla2003 n da 863]

Great trade for you guys, like it's already been said, Scola adds extra grit that your team has plenty of and go to offensive player off the bench, the east is going to be fun to watch.

[Scoot McGroot]

I love this trade for you guys. Scola is a hard worker with good veteran presence. His game does not rely on athleticism, so age isn't as big a factor as it might be with others. He's a legit starter whom I'm assuming you guys will use as the backup big man (both the 4 & 5) which may be ideal for him at this point in his career.

You will never have to worry about this guy's heart or attitude. He will bring his best every night and he will do what your team needs to be successful.

Early candidate for 6th Man.

Well, he's like, our 7th man, at best, so there's that....

[granger05]

I went looking for Scola's contract numbers because I was curious and it looks like his salary next year is un-guaranteed at a bit under 5 million. If that's true (I got this off shamsports) then that would seem to make him an interesting trade chip next offseason since you could trade him to a team looking for cap relief and they could waive him and not owe any money.

Anybody have any info that would make that wrong?

If this is true then this trade looks even better to me since we get a nice one year rental and his contract may be an asset later as well.

[granger05]

LINK

Gambo reported that Scola will count $4.1 million on this year’s books, $4.5 mil next year and $4.9 mil in Year 3, with only $440K guaranteed in that final season. SI.com’s Sam Amick corroborated Gambo by reporting the deal was for $13.5 million over three years (the same total dollar figure although he did not specify the distribution).

That looks like something interesting for next offseason to me.

[xBulletproof]

I'm pretty sure when a player was amnestied that any unguaranteed money was then guaranteed.

Also Larry Coon said his 2nd year here was guaranteed and I'll believe him over God himself about NBA CBA info.

[OnFire]

really excited over this.
can't wait for the season
to get going.

we can be unpredictable
in the rotation which would
make it hard for other teams
to scout us.

this year's gonna be special.

[granger05]

I'm pretty sure when a player was amnestied that any unguaranteed money was then guaranteed.

Also Larry Coon said his 2nd year here was guaranteed and I'll believe him over God himself about NBA CBA info.

But does this just mean that it's guaranteed to be paid by the team that amnestied him rather than the team that picked him up? I'm not sure how the waiver claim portion of the amnesty worked in detail so this is just another layer to that it seems.

[Boneman2]

I am the harshest critic on here when it comes to dealing a future 1st, especially in a strong draft. This deal is different though. Luis consolidates our bigs very efficiently because he can fill-in for either position and play at a very high level. Plus he is familiar with playing next to a dominant Center.

My view is that we traded two 2nds and GGreen for LScola and 1 million in savings.

This trade helped all parties involved considering Phx is tanking.

[OnFire]

I'm pretty sure when a player was amnestied that any unguaranteed money was then guaranteed.

Also Larry Coon said his 2nd year here was guaranteed and I'll believe him over God himself about NBA CBA info.

But does this just mean that it's guaranteed to be paid by the team that amnestied him rather than the team that picked him up? I'm not sure how the waiver claim portion of the amnesty worked in detail so this is just another layer to that it seems.

from my understanding, when a player
is amnestied, the contract is fully guaranteed
of the total amount of the contract, regardless
of team and player options. it's different from
a trade where all the details like ETO, Player
Option, Team Option, and partial-amount
guarantees remain in effect.

so if Player X signed for 40/4 and amnestied
in year 2, he still gets to collect the remaining
$20M from his old team, but within a timeframe
that may be spread longer than the contract.
thus, the old team can choose to pay him the remaining
$20M over the next 5-10 years instead of the
actual 2. likewise, the player gets the freedom
to sign wherever he wants on a different contract.
this assumes that no other team claims the player
on waivers.

if he is claimed by a bidding team, the new team
assumes a fully guaranteed contract with the
obligation to pay Player X the amount of the
winning bid, with the player's old team just
paying the balance. it's as if two different teams
are paying for Player X's salary, though not in
an equal split.

it's in this way that the amnesty provision grants
relief for the old team for signing Player X to
a "bad" contract.

[Scoot McGroot]

Sorry if this has been covered but how does this deal affect our ability to resign PG?

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Affect George? Not really at all.

However, it is true that Scolas remaining salary over both years is fully guaranteed. Sham (@markdeeks) confirmed he had it wrong and is changing it.

Thus, we actually come out just even on salary in 2014 if we sign 2 minimum salaried undrafted guys to fill the roster from the open spots (swapping Green to Scola, losing Plumlee and 1st rounders roster spots). If we sign a vet or two instead, we may be tying Lance pretty short fiscally, unless we later swap some salary like Scola, Ian, Cope, etc.

[8305]

The Pacers are clearly all in for this season. In my time as a fan this looks like the best championship shot this team has had going in to a season. Paul George and Lance Stephenson on rookie contracts, use the rest of the cap space a wisely as possible and see how good you can be.

There will be some tough decision next summer. Let's hope one is how to keep a championship team together.

[Wizop]

There will be some tough decision next summer. Let's hope one is how to keep a championship team together.

I think a championship might cause Herb to be willing to pay some tax, but we need to do our part by buying tickets. I hope we see a lot of sell outs in the regular season and not just in the playoffs. says the guy who has been planning to drop from half season tickets to a 10 game package. maybe I need to put my money where my mouth is and renew for another year.

[granger05]

I don't know what to make of the last year in Scola's contract. The posters here seem convinced that it's fully guaranteed. There's a 30+ page thread on pacersdigest where it's assumed that it's only partially guaranteed. I found this today: LINK.

The Suns were rewarded for astutely winning the Scola amnesty auction last year. His good contract and valuable veteran play made him an attractive trade piece. Scola will make $4.5 million this season, only $121,000 less than Green and Plumlee combined, and has a $4.9million salary for 2014-15 with $940,000 of it guaranteed because he played 82 games last season.

I'm hopeful about this partial guarantee because I think it will make him a really interesting trade chip next offseason regardless of how well things go for us this year. There are a lot of good FAs next offseason and there will be teams trying to move assets to free up cap-space. We saw some of that this year as well. A contract like Scola's would be exactly the kind of cap-friendly piece that could net us something interesting that could help longer term.

[Grang33r]

Any idea what number Scola will wear? I'm guessing he'll take #4 ?