Ben Gordon Trade Debate: Good Or Bad?

BadMofoPimp · Post #1 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:07 pm

Because, I just saw this info showing Ben Gordon having the lowest efficiency ratings in the NBA.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

Ben Gordon is still under contract for this year in Charlotte.

If the Pistons didn't trade Ben Gordon and that 1st rounder, they would not have been able to sign Josh Smith!

I have to say, it was a great move and trade by Joe D.

Mr. Krabs · Post #2 » by **Mr. Krabs** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:19 pm

Good for Gores' wallet.

ARoS · Post #3 » by **ARoS** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:24 pm

Think it might be a 'wait and see' job.

The Penguin · Post #4 » by **The Penguin** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:25 pm

As you alluded to, the end result was basically trading a 1st round pick for Josh Smith.

It all depends where the pick ends up, if we hand them the 9th/10th pick in a loaded 2014 draft then I think we lost. If somehow we 1) make the playoffs and give them a late teens/20s pick or 2) end up keeping our pick as a top 8 pick and then break through to be a top 6 team in the East in 2015 then I say it's a win.

It does seem to be a cheap move by Gores as we could have accomplished the same thing by not doing the deal and amnestying Gordon.

ImHeisenberg · Post #5 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:29 pm

We won't be able to completely grade the trade until the draft pick exchanges hands and we see what happens with it.

But, depending on your perception of the trade it can be considered a great deal. A year ago, I think Detroit wouldn't have hesitated to trade Ben Gordon and a first round pick for Josh Smith, which is what it essentially boils down to. In that case, it was a good deal, as it was a clear and apparent talent upgrade for the Pistons.

The only way the trade was going to be deemed a total failure by me is if Detroit didn't do anything significant this summer, or overpaid for underwhelming players like Monta Ellis or OJ Mayo. IMHO, it's been a very successful summer for the Pistons.

Dre Drummond · Post #6 » by **Dre Drummond** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:40 pm

We could have used the amnesty clause on Ben Gordon this summer and had that capspace and signed Josh Smith anyways so its pretty much a horrible trade... Especially if we end up with a pick in the 10-16 range in a good deep draft.

Gores better show his willingness to spend $3 million on a late first with all that money he saved on that trade screwing us fans over from having a 1st round pick to add to the mix next year.

ComboGuardCity · Post #7 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:46 pm

Dre Drummond wrote:We could have used the amnesty clause on Ben Gordon this summer and had that capspace and signed Josh Smith anyways so its pretty much a horrible trade... Especially if we end up with a pick in the 10-16 range in a good deep draft.

Gores better show his willingness to spend $3 million on a late first with all that money he saved on that trade screwing us fans over from having a 1st round pick to add to the mix next year.

Exactly

Han Solo · Post #8 » by **Han Solo** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:58 pm

lol. Good. We landed Josh Smith with this trade. Dumars did what he had to. Not his fault his owner wouldn't pay up with an amnesty.

Dumars did a good job. If you're upset, focus on the owner, not the GM here.

Bknight4three · Post #9 » by **Bknight4three** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:01 pm

Bad deal. We lost out on the chance to draft one more impact player to add to our core.

Post #10 » by **ajaX82** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:29 pm

Mr. Krabs wrote:Good for Gores' wallet.

Yeah. Could have amnestied him and saved the first rounder, but I get that Gores still would have had to hand him paychecks.

Altogether you can't realistically evaluate this trade til quite a few years down the road, when the pick has been exchanged and a player is picked and plays in the league

vege · Post #11 » by **vege** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:44 pm

We could have amnestied BG so it was a horrible trade for Detroit, only ones who benefit from that was Gore's wallet and Charlotte.

BadMofoPimp · Post #12 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:53 pm

vege wrote:We could have amnestied BG so it was a horrible trade for Detroit, only ones who benefit from that was Gore's wallet and Charlotte.

So, if you were a business owner, you would rather pay $12 million for an asset that does nothing for your business for the next 2 years instead of combining with another asset to get a really good asset within the next year which could make you money instead of losing money.

Doesn't sound right.

Joe and Gores just made this team interesting and possibly successful with potential to fight for the playoffs instead of a 5th year of being between 6-12th worst record in the league.

This was a great move.

Drwho17 · Post #13 » by **Drwho17** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:53 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Because, I just saw this info showing Ben Gordon having the lowest efficiency ratings in the NBA.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

Ben Gordon is still under contract for this year in Charlotte.

If the Pistons didn't trade Ben Gordon and that 1st rounder, they would not have been able to sign Josh Smith!

I have to say, it was a great move and trade by Joe D.

No, they could have Amnestied him. It is/was purely a cost saving move for Gores, basketball wise it is only a negative.

Han Solo · Post #14 » by **Han Solo** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:55 pm

Charlotte will get our pick next year. Big deal. We are young enough. I believe this is a playoff-caliber team. They can have pick. It won't be in the lotto.

BadMofoPimp · Post #15 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:59 pm

Drwho17 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Because, I just saw this info showing Ben Gordon having the lowest efficiency ratings in the NBA.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

Ben Gordon is still under contract for this year in Charlotte.

If the Pistons didn't trade Ben Gordon and that 1st rounder, they would not have been able to sign Josh Smith!

I have to say, it was a great move and trade by Joe D.

No, they could have Amnestied him. It is/was purely a cost saving move for Gores, basketball wise it is only a negative.

Basically, Amnesty = paying BG $12 mil not to play so you can pay someone else $12 mil to play but ends up costing $24 mil per year.

Trading BG = Trading BG and Mid Round 1st for $12mil player who is all-star level.

This was a genius move.

Notanoob · Post #16 » by **Notanoob** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:02 pm

Having a pick is better than not having one. We could have amnestied Gordon and signed Josh Smith, and kept our pick in a loaded draft. The only good it did was to save Tom Gores a bunch of money. I hope that it all works out anyways, but this was not a good move in any real way in a purely basketball sense.

Kilo · Post #17 » by **Kilo** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:12 pm

And if we kept Gordon this past season, he was such a lockerroom cancer we would have lost 3-4 more games meaning we could have had McLemore AND then signed Smith AND still had our 2014 pick.

Of course all that Gordon drama/disfunction could have had a negative longterm impact on Drummond - so who knows.

What's done is done and the butterfly effect means we can't pretend to know what would have happened if things were done differently.

engelbert321 · Post #18 » by **engelbert321** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:13 pm

That pick would be very valuable. We could've used it in a trade to land us an all-star caliber player. All in all, I thought it was a good decision at the time because I wanted Ben Gordon out of this team and take an expiring. But we could've just amnestied BG this off-season and still sign Josh Smith. Now, the trade looks horrible.

Gores is to blame for not wanting to use the amnesty clause. All that BS statement about wanting to spend to get a winning product is all just BS imo.

Motorcity · Post #19 » by **Motorcity** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:22 pm

To everyone saying this was a bad move because Gordon could've been amnestied, don't let alternate options affect your judgement of the trade. Yes it would have benefited the organization more if we had amnestied him, but that doesn't change the fact that this was a solid move. At the end of the day it is still pretty much Gordon + (probably) mid-1st for Josh Smith. Good trade imo

BadMofoPimp · Post #20 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:26 pm

Lol at the premise of using a pick most likely to be around 10-12 to land an all-star player via trade after Amnestying BG. You do realize that this means you pay double for that All-Star player you think you can get. But, I doubt any team is going to trade an All-Star for the 10th pick in the draft.

In reality, Pistons traded that 10-12 pick plus BG's contract (one of the worst in the entire NBA) for an All-Star Caliber player!!!!

This is Win Win!!