Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LX Offseason Edition)

TDJacksonville · Post #1041 » by **TDJacksonville** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:41 pm

Zmill wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:
Zmill wrote:
Jenning is also two or three times better than Knight... Making Jennings an average to slightly above average starting PG

Jennings isnt a Good Point Guard. he would be a SG in a PGs body cuz he cant get them dimes.

well than Nelson is an average to above average starter when healthy. should gave him to the Pistons for Knight straight up.

magic get worse at PG and thus allowing either Dipo or Knight to be our Main PG and the other be our SG. trade afflalo to a team for like a 1st next year. Play harkless at SF. Play Harris at PF. Vuc at center.

Player development to the max.

I didn't say BJ is a good point guard... said he is average-to-slightly above average starting PG. Knight is a below-average starting PG. Only a two-year difference between the two. Detroit wants the playoffs.

Nelson is a 31 year old PG that is never healthy.

8mill per for 3 years is a nice deal for Jennings IMO. That is basically the going rate for average-ish starting PGs. I'm not a big fan of Jennings at all but this deal is more fair than what I thought he would get before the offseason started.

i would have started Billups and kept the other 2 young guys as future trade chips. Billups knows how to get you to the Playoffs. let him mentor Knight into an average PG.

The Real Dalic · Post #1042 » by **The Real Dalic** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:55 pm

If he doesn't work out at SF then he can play at PF and have Drummond come off the bench. They can start whoever they have at SF this year for a little bit then trade for a better SF. They don't have to contend this year... They're just setting themselves up for the future. You can't build a contender overnight... You have to make one piece by piece. And right now they only need 1 maybe 2 more pieces to get there.

The Real Dalic · Post #1043 » by **The Real Dalic** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:56 pm

TDJacksonville wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:I like this move for the Pistons. 8 mil a year for Jennings is a good deal.

It's a great deal considering he wanted the max. I really thought a team would be dumb enough to give him one too.
8 million for a 40% shooting Chucker hardly qualifies as a steal.

You either hate Jennings, the Pistons, or both.

Viper1500 · Post #1044 » by **Viper1500** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:19 am

TDJacksonville wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:I like this move for the Pistons. 8 mil a year for Jennings is a good deal.

It's a great deal considering he wanted the max. I really thought a team would be dumb enough to give him one too.
8 million for a 40% shooting Chucker hardly qualifies as a steal.

I think he just needs a new atmosphere, Milwaukee never really seemed the place for him.

rcklsscognition · Post #1045 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:27 am

Jennings would have been off the market weeks ago if he was willing to take 8 million back then. It's a very good deal. 18 points, almost 2 steals a game, 6 dimes, shooting 37.5% from 3 and 81% from the stripe and everyone harping on the 40% from the field. Nobody is perfect. He's a 23 year old who is top 15 in a lot of categories and bottom 15 in a few.

Post #1046 » by **Bensational** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:42 am

I haven't liked Jennings on the Bucks, but he's one of those players that if he makes all the pieces fit together right, and gets his head screwed on, he could be damn good. I think the Pistons took a good gamble that they could help him transition, especially with Billups there to mentor him. They probably need a couple more quality veterans to really bring back that tenacious mentality that Detroit used to have.

Drummond and Monroe will be a lethal front court and one of those guys is bound to get the mismatch in every game. Smith is a decent offensive option. Jennings can give you 20ppg, but, on low efficiency. I think with more legit offensive options around him, it will open the door to better looks for him, or it will open the door to better playmaking for him.

Pistons could really use a guy like Afflalo to seal the veteran presence, and to complete their offensive potency. I'd swap him + Lamb for KCP + Mitchell + Stuckey.

The Real Dalic · Post #1047 » by **The Real Dalic** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:42 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Jennings would have been off the market weeks ago if he was willing to take 8 million back then. It's a very good deal. 18 points, almost 2 steals a game, 6 dimes, shooting 37.5% from 3 and 81% from the stripe and everyone harping on the 40% from the field. Nobody is perfect. He's a 23 year old who is top 15 in a lot of categories and bottom 15 in a few.

This.

New team, new location and most importantly new management for Brandon Jennings. He has talent, and now he has a leader in Billups that can get in his ear and turn his career around.

Jennings is a low risk, high reward kinda guy for the Pistons. Especially at that price. And if he doesn't work out for them he still has value around the league.

NickAnderson · Post #1048 » by **NickAnderson** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:35 am

I'll post this again for people who still think Jennings is any good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHndbN ... ata_player

Some of you guys just can not watch basketball if you really think having Jennings on your team will do any good.

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BadMofoPimp · Post #1049 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:42 am

TDJacksonville wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:GOOO PISTONS!!!

I am excited for my other favorite team. Even though I hate and trash Jennings, he does have great talent.

And, with Billups as his backup mentoring him along with Cheeks, this has to be a great thing.

Jennings
MCP
Josh Smith
Monroe
Drummond

Just give that a year or two to digest, then boom. Total domination. Pistons will also have like another $10 mil plus next year to spend to boot!!!

wat an Awful Line-up.
Jennings can only shoot bricks, MCP is an Unknown commodity and will start on the bench behind Stuckey, Josh Smith is Playing out of Position as a SF. the only 2 peices i like are Monroe and Drummond.

Certainly will be more exciting over the next 2 years in comparison to the past 4 miserable years there!

glennathan · Post #1050 » by **glennathan** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:13 am

blue and white wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:
glennathan wrote:Does anyone thing something like this would be possible? I was thinking maybe Orlando could throw in the 1st round pick from LA or Philly with the deal of Indiana demanded a draft pick back

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l6t3vex

swap granger with george and its better. why add granger when we supposed to be developing young guns :|

im sure he likes this trade simply for the large expiring in grangers contract. if not that then im confused too

Yes it was for the large expiring and that it would get some value out of the money that would be going to Hedo instead of for waste. I think that Granger could help Moe or Harris as a good SF vet as well.

londoncollin · Post #1051 » by **londoncollin** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:40 am

Did you guys see Simmons give the Bucks forum's Harris watch thread a shutout?

PeePee la Fritz · Post #1052 » by **PeePee la Fritz** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:50 am

londoncollin wrote:Did you guys see Simmons give the Bucks forum's Harris watch thread a shutout?

Lol that's awesome

rcklsscognition · Post #1053 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:14 am

PeePee la Fritz wrote:
londoncollin wrote:Did you guys see Simmons give the Bucks forum's Harris watch thread a shutout?

Lol that's awesome

lol, is there a link? was it on the podcast?

edit: here you go :lol:

To Bucks fans, who grabbed the "Most Depressed NBA Fan Base" championship belt from Sacramento after the Harris-Redick debacle, followed by them splurging $46.1 million on O.J. Mayo, Zaza Pachulia and Carlos Delfino, leaving Brandon Jennings in limbo and bringing Luke Ridnour aboard in their eternal quest to finish 40-42. How bad is it for Bucks fans? On Real GM's Bucks message board right now, there's a 300-page thread called "Official Tobias Harris Watch" that started right after the trade11 and quickly descends into the darkest circles of hell. It's like watching the last 75 minutes of Apocalypse Now. Poor Milwaukee.

ORLFLA · Post #1054 » by **ORLFLA** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:42 am

That Harris Thread shout out just made my July...closely behind seeing what Oladipo can do.

Post #1055 » by **SOUL** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:54 am

more nba people than you think go on realgm

magicman112 · Post #1056 » by **magicman112** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:35 am

londoncollin wrote:Did you guys see Simmons give the Bucks forum's Harris watch thread a shutout?

Yep! I sent him an email about it awhile back though I'm sure I wasn't the only one who did. It's something that I knew he definitely would be interested in.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #1057 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:24 pm

Anyone that thinks a team featuring Jennings, Josh Smith, Monroe, and Drummond is a treadmill team needs to check into rehab for their cocaine addiction.

They could easily, EASILY displace either of the NY teams for 4th best team in the east thats without taking into consideration any moves that may happen to bring in more help at the 2. Jennings' numbers remind me of Chanucey Billups through the years, little to no difference in terms of shooting percentages imo, and Brandon is the better scorer.

Optimus_Steel · Post #1058 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:25 pm

That is the most entertaining non-off topic thread in all of RealGM. Got lots of respect for that board.

Reverse_Angle · Post #1059 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:00 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Anyone that thinks a team featuring Jennings, Josh Smith, Monroe, and Drummond is a treadmill team needs to check into rehab for their cocaine addiction.

They could easily, EASILY displace either of the NY teams for 4th best team in the east thats without taking into consideration any moves that may happen to bring in more help at the 2. Jennings' numbers remind me of Chanucey Billups through the years, little to no difference in terms of shooting percentages imo, and Brandon is the better scorer.

Why cocaine?

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doct3r dr3 · Post #1060 » by **doct3r dr3** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:17 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Anyone that thinks a team featuring Jennings, Josh Smith, Monroe, and Drummond is atreadmill team needs to check into rehab for their cocaine addiction.

They could easily, EASILY displace either of the NY teams for 4th best team in the east thats without taking into consideration any moves that may happen to bring in more help at the 2. Jennings' numbers remind me of Chanucey Billups through the years, little to no difference in terms of shooting percentages imo, and Brandon is the better scorer.

A. Drummond ≈ L. Sanders
G. Monroe ≈ E. Ilyasova
J. Smith ≈ M. Ellis
B. Jennings = B. Jennings

Definitely looks like a playoff team in the East, don't get me wrong, but not sure there's much upside beyond that this season. Still serious questions to address regarding spacing.