Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 3

[Wizardspride]

I HATE CLEVELAND.



That is all.

what did cleveland do to you?

They exist.

That's enough.

But in all seriousness, the Irving/Waiters vs Wall/Beal thread on the GB just reminded me why I dislike most Cavs fans.

[dckingsfan]

I like the deal for the Pistons. Knight is not a PG. Jennings has innate talent, just needs to stop chucking. Detroit isn't a FA destination, so this is how they can acquire talent. They upgraded their talent base.

Agree.

The Pistons now have a potential starting five of Jennings, Rodney Stuckey, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond

They have some growing up to do with that roster, but there is some talent there.

Going to take some good coaching to get through to Jennings and Josh, but if they do, they could be an interesting team. Health of course being key... but they would get into the playoffs.

I don't like Cheeks as a coach... I love this quote.

"Well, I've covered the NBA since the days when Jack Ramsay was roaming the Blazer sidelines in paisley pants. And I don't think since that time I've seen a coach as poorly informed, as casual about his duties and as lazy as Cheeks. NBA head coach? He should have been charged with identity theft."

[dckingsfan]

I think Detroit should make the playoffs but will underachieve....

[nuposse04]

I think Detroit should make the playoffs but will underachieve....

They have the worst floor spacing in the entire league now. They'll still probably beat us though. **** Charlie V man...

[tontoz]

At least now we have a viable way to defend Monroe, just let Jennings and Smith shoot.

Detroit has two young, potential stars in Monroe/Drummond. Why not bring in guys that actually complement them? Where do they think they are going with that roster?

After all these years you would think i would no longer be surprised by dumb GM moves but no matter how often i see them i still can't believe it. I guess i am a slow learner.

[hands11]

I think Detroit should make the playoffs but will underachieve....

They have the worst floor spacing in the entire league now. They'll still probably beat us though. **** Charlie V man...

http://vman.com/site/content/1404/jean-genet-today

Is this the guy you are worried about. Doesn't look like much of a baller to me... well, not on the court at least.

[AFM]

That sentence has been said about every wizards player, ever.

[FAH1223]

At least now we have a viable way to defend Monroe, just let Jennings and Smith shoot.

Detroit has two young, potential stars in Monroe/Drummond. Why not bring in guys that actually complement them? Where do they think they are going with that roster?

After all these years you would think i would no longer be surprised by dumb GM moves but no matter how often i see them i still can't believe it. I guess i am a slow learner.

Is Joe Dumars with cap space as bad as Ernie Grunfeld?

[jivelikenice]

I guess one championship as a front office exec has given Dumars a lifetime pass. Smith and Jennings? Wow...and what does this mean for Monroe? I'm assuming Dumars is saving his five year max for Drummond. There's no way Falk allows Monroe to re-sign for four years. Does Detroit deal him and what's the price tag?

[Kanyewest]

I think I'm just missing the way that Detroit translate into a championship contender with or without these moves. If they were going the free agency route, I don't think they could have done that much better to actually make them a serious contender. Although I probably would have just attempted to tank.

I'm interested to see how their team does going forward. Drummond did well his rookie season but can he develop into a stud ie a top 10 player down the line? Is Smith going to be a difference maker or did Atlanta really not lose that much by getting Millsap. Perhaps things fall into place if Caldwell Pope is an elite shooter.

[Liverbird]

Just awesome. I get to watch both Smith and Jennings - two of my least favorite payers - play for the Pistons. Urgh!

[FAH1223]

I guess one championship as a front office exec has given Dumars a lifetime pass. Smith and Jennings? Wow...and what does this mean for Monroe? I'm assuming Dumars is saving his five year max for Drummond. There's no way Falk allows Monroe to re-sign for four years. Does Detroit deal him and what's the price tag?

It doesn't matter. Monroe is a restricted free agent and DET can match any four year max offers he gets... which he will get next summer.

[JAR69]

How is Austin Daye worth only 2 years/$2 million? (I can't tell if that's $2 million/yr or $2 million total.) I didn't see him play, but he shot 42% on 3 pointers, and while his TRB% is only 11.5%, that's dragged down by his very poor ORB% - not shocking for a perimeter 4, and in the range of guys like Patrick Patterson, Carmelo, and Brandon Bass. Decent efficiency -109 ORTG. Not many minutes, so maybe he is a scrub who will struggle against front-line players. Seems like Toronto could be getting close to same production - if not more - than it got from Bargs, for a fraction of the price.

Seems like he might have been a good fit with the Wizards. No need to beat Maynor-signing horse. (Maybe we need to have a number for different points made over and over again, like in the old prison joke: http://jokesareawesome.com/joke/859/a_man_is_sent_to_prison_for_the_first_t...)

[jivelikenice]

I guess one championship as a front office exec has given Dumars a lifetime pass. Smith and Jennings? Wow...and what does this mean for Monroe? I'm assuming Dumars is saving his five year max for Drummond. There's no way Falk allows Monroe to re-sign for four years. Does Detroit deal him and what's the price tag?

It doesn't matter. Monroe is a restricted free agent and DET can match any four year max offers he gets... which he will get next summer.

My point is Falk is the type of agent who won't allow Monroe to sign an contract that the Pistons will match if he feels like his client his being shortchanged. Monroe will either be dealt next offseason or will play out the qualifying offer. If all the Piston are going to offer is a 4-year deal that other team's will match, there's no benefit to signing it w/ another team next year.

[Dat2U]

I guess one championship as a front office exec has given Dumars a lifetime pass. Smith and Jennings? Wow...and what does this mean for Monroe? I'm assuming Dumars is saving his five year max for Drummond. There's no way Falk allows Monroe to re-sign for four years. Does Detroit deal him and what's the price tag?

It doesn't matter. Monroe is a restricted free agent and DET can match any four year max offers he gets... which he will get next summer.

My point is Falk is the type of agent who won't allow Monroe to sign an contract that the Pistons will match if he feels like his client his being shortchanged. Monroe will either be dealt next offseason or will play out the qualifying offer. If all the Piston are going to offer is a 4-year deal that other team's will match, there's no benefit to signing it w/ another team next year.

I don't think Monroe has the type of leverage to demand a 5 year deal. He's simply not that good and Andre Drummond is arguably the better long term C going forward. I don't see a Drummond/Monroe front line working very either. Neither has the perimeter skill to step out and allow the other to operate in the paint. Same with Smith at the 3. Eventually, the Pistons are likely going to have to trade Monroe and go with a Smith/Drummond front line.

[hands11]

I guess one championship as a front office exec has given Dumars a lifetime pass. Smith and Jennings? Wow...and what does this mean for Monroe? I'm assuming Dumars is saving his five year max for Drummond. There's no way Falk allows Monroe to re-sign for four years. Does Detroit deal him and what's the price tag?

It doesn't matter. Monroe is a restricted free agent and DET can match any four year max offers he gets... which he will get next summer.

My point is Falk is the type of agent who won't allow Monroe to sign an contract that the Pistons will match if he feels like his client his being shortchanged. Monroe will either be dealt next offseason or will play out the qualifying offer. If all the Piston are going to offer is a 4-year deal that other team's will match, there's no benefit to signing it w/ another team next year.

So now a 4 year max is some kind of insult ?

[LyricalRico]

Dumars has put together a team that would be fun to play with on NBA 2k14, but I have serious doubts about it's ability to have anything except limited success in real life. I just don't see them being able to run any kind of consistent offense with Jennings at PG and Smith playing on the perimeter at SF. They'll definitely have some cool highlights, though, and I'd expect them to be a playoff team.

My hope is that Monroe struggles to fit in and Dumars decides that Drummond/Smith is the C/PF combo they should stick with, making Monroe available at the deadline instead of over the summer. Not sure how likely that is, though.

[nate33]

I don't think Monroe has the type of leverage to demand a 5 year deal. He's simply not that good and Andre Drummond is arguably the better long term C going forward. I don't see a Drummond/Monroe front line working very either. Neither has the perimeter skill to step out and allow the other to operate in the paint. Same with Smith at the 3. Eventually, the Pistons are likely going to have to trade Monroe and go with a Smith/Drummond front line.

Agree with all of this. If Detroit offers a 4-year max deal, Monroe would take it.

What I expect to happen is this: Detroit will either extend Monroe for the max, or match someone else's max offer. At some point next year, when Drummond is in the midst of his 3rd season and making noise about wanting an extension, management is going to feel the pinch. Josh Smith won't be playing like a max contract player and will become an albatross contract like Rudy Gay (only older). They'll discover that they can't get anything in a trade for him. They will have no choice but to trade Monroe to make room for Drummond's max contract.

[Dat2U]

I see a lot of similarities b/w what Dumars constructed this offseason and what Ernie did last offseason in terms of building a defensive minded team that can't shoot a lick.

I'd expect the Pistons to be very competitive, grind out 35 ugly wins or so while being one of the best defensive teams and worst offensive teams in the league and miss the playoffs.

[nate33]

I see a lot of similarities b/w what Dumars constructed this offseason and what Ernie did last offseason in terms of building a defensive minded team that can't shoot a lick.

I'd expect the Pistons to be very competitive, grind out 35 ugly wins or so while being one of the best defensive teams and worst offensive teams in the league and miss the playoffs.

To be fair, the Wizards at least had two deadly wing shooters (Webster and Beal) once Beal turned the switch in January. Detroit doesn't have anyone like that. Their offense could get real ugly. Teams could seriously just play zone defense against them.