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Starting Lineup Projections 

Post#1 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:15 pm

Rotoworld seems to project our starting lineup as follows... For the record, I think I agree with this assessment!! What about the rest of you?? I have the rotation being rounded out like this.

Jennings/Billups/Bynum (Hopefully he'll get some pt)/Siva
Stuckey/KCP/Singler (Scraps)
Smith/Luigi/Singler(Scraps
Moose/Smith/CV (8-10 min/game)
Dre/Moose/(Ben Wallace.. PLEASE for 8-10 min)
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Re: Starting Lineup Projections 

Post#2 » by DetroitDon15 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:20 pm

retrolenny wrote:Rotoworld seems to project our starting lineup as follows... For the record, I think I agree with this assessment!! What about the rest of you?? I have the rotation being rounded out like this.

Jennings/Billups/Bynum (Hopefully he'll get some pt)/Siva
Stuckey/KCP/Singler (Scraps)
Smith/Luigi/Singler(Scraps
Moose/Smith/CV (8-10 min/game)
Dre/Moose/(Ben Wallace.. PLEASE for 8-10 min)


I completely disagree with this idea. I personally feel that Caldwell Pope now will be the starting shooting guard. I thought Stuckey might but he doesn't fit next too Jennings well at all. Detroit has to have at least one shooter to spread the floor. I think this is more realistic:

Jennings/Billups/Bynum
Caldwell-Pope/Stuckey
Smith/Singler/Datome
Monroe/Jerebko
Drummond/Villanueva
Suits: Siva and Mitchell
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Re: Starting Lineup Projections 

Post#3 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:25 pm

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retrolenny wrote:Rotoworld seems to project our starting lineup as follows... For the record, I think I agree with this assessment!! What about the rest of you?? I have the rotation being rounded out like this.

Jennings/Billups/Bynum (Hopefully he'll get some pt)/Siva
Stuckey/KCP/Singler (Scraps)
Smith/Luigi/Singler(Scraps
Moose/Smith/CV (8-10 min/game)
Dre/Moose/(Ben Wallace.. PLEASE for 8-10 min)


I completely disagree with this idea. I personally feel that Caldwell Pope now will be the starting shooting guard. I thought Stuckey might but he doesn't fit next too Jennings well at all. Detroit has to have at least one shooter to spread the floor. I think this is more realistic:

Jennings/Billups/Bynum
Caldwell-Pope/Stuckey
Smith/Singler/Datome
Monroe/Jerebko
Drummond/Villanueva
Suits: Siva and Mitchell


No way does Singler get the nod over Datum.
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Post#4 » by DetroitDon15 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:36 pm

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retrolenny wrote:Rotoworld seems to project our starting lineup as follows... For the record, I think I agree with this assessment!! What about the rest of you?? I have the rotation being rounded out like this.

Jennings/Billups/Bynum (Hopefully he'll get some pt)/Siva
Stuckey/KCP/Singler (Scraps)
Smith/Luigi/Singler(Scraps
Moose/Smith/CV (8-10 min/game)
Dre/Moose/(Ben Wallace.. PLEASE for 8-10 min)


I completely disagree with this idea. I personally feel that Caldwell Pope now will be the starting shooting guard. I thought Stuckey might but he doesn't fit next too Jennings well at all. Detroit has to have at least one shooter to spread the floor. I think this is more realistic:

Jennings/Billups/Bynum
Caldwell-Pope/Stuckey
Smith/Singler/Datome
Monroe/Jerebko
Drummond/Villanueva
Suits: Siva and Mitchell


No way does Singler get the nod over Datum.


It's why I'm hoping for a Singler trade.
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Post#5 » by Dre Drummond » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:40 pm

I could see Billups playing some SG with Bynum playing some backup PG.

I guess we will have to wait and see but I think we're 100% looking to win now and in no way is KCP going to be a better basketball player day 1 than Bynum or Billups IMO. My rotation might look like this to start the season and than work KCP into the rotation after 10-15 games to play a limited role that increases as the season goes on.

C:Dre(36)/Moose(12)
PF:Moose(24)/Smith(12)/CV or Jonas or Mitchell(12)
SF:Smith(24)/Luigi(12)/Singler(12)
SG:Stuckey(28)/Billups(20)
PG:Jennings(32)/Bynum(16)

We might see Billups come in early for Drummond with Stuckey moving to SF at times too.
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Post#6 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:42 pm

Dre Drummond wrote:I could see Billups playing some SG with Bynum playing some backup PG.

I guess we will have to wait and see but I think we're 100% looking to win now and in no way is KCP going to be a better basketball player day 1 than Bynum or Billups IMO. My rotation might look like this to start the season and than work KCP into the rotation after 10-15 games to play a limited role that increases as the season goes on.

C:Dre(36)/Moose(12)
PF:Moose(24)/Smith(12)/CV or Jonas or Mitchell(12)
SF:Smith(24)/Luigi(12)/Singler(12)
SG:Stuckey(28)/Billups(20)
PG:Jennings(32)/Bynum(16)

We might see Billups come in early for Drummond with Stuckey moving to SF at times too.


Billups said TODAY that he never wanted to play SG for the Clips. He is clearly a floor general.. That is where he excels at and that's what I believe Dumars and Cheeks will accommodate.
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Re: Starting Lineup Projections 

Post#7 » by The Penguin » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:56 pm

I also think KCP is going to crack the starting lineup. A Drummond/Monroe/Smith/Stuckey/Jennings lineup would have NO spacing, teams would just pack the paint and encourage Smith & Jennings to bomb long 2's. The Bynum signing is the one classic awful Dumars decision from this offseason. I think Joe wasn't sure if he was going to land Chauncey and Jennings was just a blip of an idea, he saw he wasn't getting Calderon and panic threw $5 mil at Bynum (a way over market deal). Now I just don't see room for Bynum to be a regular rotation piece:

Jennings (32) / Billups (16) / Bynum (DNP-CD, injury backup) / Siva (DNP-CD- D League)
KCP (25) / Stuckey (23)
Smith (15) / Datome (20) / Singler (10)
Monroe (14) / Smith (17) / CV31 (10) / Jonas (10) / Mitchell (DNP- CD - D League)
Drummond (30) / Monroe (18)
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Re: Starting Lineup Projections 

Post#8 » by thesack12 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:59 pm

Yeah, a Jennings/Stuckey duo is not going to work. Hell for that matter, any combo that includes Stuckey isn't going to work.

Jennings is rightfully ball dominant, Stuckey must be as well to do anything remotely positive. Stuckey needs to go bye bye. Hopefully by trade, but if not by banishment.
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Post#9 » by Clarity » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:00 pm

Chauncey will obviously be the starting 1, Jennings will play the 2 & guard the 1s.
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Post#10 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:01 pm

Piston Prince wrote:I also think KCP is going to crack the starting lineup. A Drummond/Monroe/Smith/Stuckey/Jennings lineup would have NO spacing, teams would just pack the paint and encourage Smith & Jennings to bomb long 2's. The Bynum signing is the one classic awful Dumars decision from this offseason. I think Joe wasn't sure if he was going to land Chauncey and Jennings was just a blip of an idea, he saw he wasn't getting Calderon and panic threw $5 mil at Bynum (a way over market deal). Now I just don't see room for Bynum to be a regular rotation piece:

Jennings (32) / Billups (16) / Bynum (DNP-CD, injury backup) / Siva (DNP-CD- D League)
KCP (25) / Stuckey (23)
Smith (15) / Datome (20) / Singler (10)
Monroe (14) / Smith (17) / CV31 (10) / Jonas (10) / Mitchell (DNP- CD - D League)
Drummond (30) / Monroe (18)



I love the breakdowns and everything.. You should coach this team;)
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Post#11 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:03 pm

Clarity wrote:Chauncey will obviously be the starting 1, Jennings will play the 2 & guard the 1s.


The Jennings signing gaurantees Billups will not be starting and Jennings is not a 2. He's a 1 who needs to be held on a tight leash to make sure he understands that his role is that of a facilitator and nothing more!!
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Post#12 » by Clarity » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:08 pm

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Clarity wrote:Chauncey will obviously be the starting 1, Jennings will play the 2 & guard the 1s.


The Jennings signing gaurantees Billups will not be starting and Jennings is not a 2. He's a 1 who needs to be held on a tight leash to make sure he understands that his role is that of a facilitator and nothing more!!


nah, Chauncey will start, the trade changes nothing. They can both play on & off the ball. Chauncey came back to be a leader, we need him as our starting PG right now. Jennings isnt there yet, he needs to learn to play the right way & Chauncey is the perfect mentor & again, he already said he was gonna be the starting PG in his presser.
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Post#13 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:16 pm

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retrolenny wrote:
Clarity wrote:Chauncey will obviously be the starting 1, Jennings will play the 2 & guard the 1s.


The Jennings signing gaurantees Billups will not be starting and Jennings is not a 2. He's a 1 who needs to be held on a tight leash to make sure he understands that his role is that of a facilitator and nothing more!!


nah, Chauncey will start, the trade changes nothing. They can both play on & off the ball. Chauncey came back to be a leader, we need him as our starting PG right now. Jennings isnt there yet, he needs to learn to play the right way & Chauncey is the perfect mentor & again, he already said he was gonna be the starting PG in his presser.


I'd love to see that but you're wrong...
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Post#14 » by Brapman » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:17 pm

The Pistons have the ability and desire, at any time, to flip Stuckey and CV for another outstanding asset. If we do that now, we can go into the season with our season roster intact, and we can develop our team system and cohesiveness this summer in training camp and in the exhibition season. If we do that by the trade deadline, we might put a great young roster together, but won't be able to build that from day 1. If we just let them expire, we go into the summer of 2014 with a lot of cap room again.

We can't project who we'd get back right now if we make the trade. We don't even know whether JJ or Singler would be included in any such deal. So, let's just assume our roster is fixed. That leaves us with a couple of issues Cheeks has to address as he sorts out PT and the rotations - not an easy feat:

a) When the starting big men are all in there together with Jennings, we pretty much have to have our SG be a big time3 pt shooter. KCP and Billups are the only candidates who fit. It's hard to imagine Stuckey fitting with this group.

b) When two of the big three are in at PF and C, we can add a scorer in Datome or Singler, or an energy guy in JJ, or even a stretch 4 in CV. If we have enough floor spacing shooters, Stuckey can thrive inside the paint.

c) When Billups is in, a guy like KCP coming off pics and spreading the floor and playing great perimeter D would work nicely.

Ultimately, I see the Pistons evaluating whether Jennings will make a Billups like leap to stardom, and looking to add another sweet shooting swing guard off the bench into the mix over the next couple of seasons. We have the assets to develop and sign our own star guards (Jennings? KCP? or to acquire one to fillout and balance our roster.)

This season we can win between 40 and 50 games and perhaps a few more than that - (at the higher end if Drummond and Monroe take a big leap, and the coaching staff can successfully integrate the new guys into a coherent team. We've got a lot to work with as Gigi, Singler, KCP, Billups and Bynum could all turn into very effective players to go with overwhelmingly outstanding potential from our big guys. If Jennings can breakthrough into being an effective and reliable team quarterback, we could be a bitch to play in the playoffs.
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Post#15 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:20 pm

Trade bate would be...

Stuck, CV, JJ, Singler, and Bynum.. We could use a very solid SG and a backup C. One thing is for sure... We might just be the deepest team in the NBA!!!
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Re: Starting Lineup Projections 

Post#16 » by Clarity » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:20 pm

retrolenny wrote:
Clarity wrote:
retrolenny wrote:
The Jennings signing gaurantees Billups will not be starting and Jennings is not a 2. He's a 1 who needs to be held on a tight leash to make sure he understands that his role is that of a facilitator and nothing more!!


nah, Chauncey will start, the trade changes nothing. They can both play on & off the ball. Chauncey came back to be a leader, we need him as our starting PG right now. Jennings isnt there yet, he needs to learn to play the right way & Chauncey is the perfect mentor & again, he already said he was gonna be the starting PG in his presser.


I'd love to see that but you're wrong...


Link? the link where Chauncey says hes the starting PG is easy to find & best believe Chaunceys word means a great deal with coaching & mgmt before you dismiss it.

Chauncey wont play 40 mins per game, heck not even 30 most likely but it would be giving Ben Gordon 60 Mill dumb to not have him opening & closing games at point. Jennings can play almost 40, he will play PG a ton of the time.
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Post#17 » by thesack12 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:24 pm

I HIGHLY doubt Dumars traded for Jennings with the idea of grossly playing him out of position (haven't we seen enough of that from the backcourt recently) or to bring him off the bench.

People seem to forget that Billups will be 37 when the season starts, and isn't too far removed from a very serious injury. He will probably be a 10-15 minute per game player.
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Post#18 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:28 pm

Clarity wrote:
retrolenny wrote:
Clarity wrote:
nah, Chauncey will start, the trade changes nothing. They can both play on & off the ball. Chauncey came back to be a leader, we need him as our starting PG right now. Jennings isnt there yet, he needs to learn to play the right way & Chauncey is the perfect mentor & again, he already said he was gonna be the starting PG in his presser.


I'd love to see that but you're wrong...


Link? the link where Chauncey says hes the starting PG is easy to find & best believe Chaunceys word means a great deal with coaching & mgmt before you dismiss it.

Chauncey wont play 40 mins per game, heck not even 30 most likely but it would be giving Ben Gordon 60 Mill dumb to not have him opening & closing games at point. Jennings can play almost 40, he will play PG a ton of the time.


Billups came back here to be a mentor and locker room guy. He was promised a front office position after his 2 years were up. He said today, that he never wanted to play SG for the clips. Jennings is not a 2. He's too small to be a 2 and can't shoot. He can distribute the ball.

I may not post as much as some of you but I am about as die hard a Pistons fan as one can be. Lions too!! I'm incredibly excited about this year and out of EVERYTHING we've done this offseason, my absolute favorite was resigning Billups. I'd love it if he starts but it's not going to happen.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... h-Clippers
http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/07/ch ... ffice-job/
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Post#19 » by Clarity » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:34 pm

retrolenny wrote:
Billups came back here to be a mentor and locker room guy. He was promised a front office position after his 2 years were up. He said today, that he never wanted to play SG for the clips. Jennings is not a 2. He's too small to be a 2 and can't shoot. He can distribute the ball.

I may not post as much as some of you but I am about as die hard a Pistons fan as one can be. Lions too!! I'm incredibly excited about this year and out of EVERYTHING we've done this offseason, my absolute favorite was resigning Billups. I'd love it if he starts but it's not going to happen.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... h-Clippers
http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/07/ch ... ffice-job/


again, Chauncey will definitely start & finish at PG, its vital to our success. Jennings is not ready for that yet. Jennings will probably play more mins at PG than Chauncey but getting us going & finishing I want that offense under Chaunceys leadership. Chauncey & Jennings are actually a great fit next to each other because Jennings can create, Chauncey can shoot & both are capable of playing on or off the ball. Now defenses are going to zone the life out of us because 4 of our starting 5 cant shoot but I digress lol.

Those two links have nothing to do with him being the starting PG as he said he was in the presser.
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Post#20 » by retrolenny » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:42 pm

Clarity wrote:
retrolenny wrote:
Billups came back here to be a mentor and locker room guy. He was promised a front office position after his 2 years were up. He said today, that he never wanted to play SG for the clips. Jennings is not a 2. He's too small to be a 2 and can't shoot. He can distribute the ball.

I may not post as much as some of you but I am about as die hard a Pistons fan as one can be. Lions too!! I'm incredibly excited about this year and out of EVERYTHING we've done this offseason, my absolute favorite was resigning Billups. I'd love it if he starts but it's not going to happen.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... h-Clippers
http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/07/ch ... ffice-job/


again, Chauncey will definitely start & finish at PG, its vital to our success. Jennings is not ready for that yet. Jennings will probably play more mins at PG than Chauncey but getting us going & finishing I want that offense under Chaunceys leadership. Chauncey & Jennings are actually a great fit next to each other because Jennings can create, Chauncey can shoot & both are capable of playing on or off the ball. Now defenses are going to zone the life out of us because 4 of our starting 5 cant shoot but I digress lol.

Those two links have nothing to do with him being the starting PG as he said he was in the presser.


We are NOT paying Jennings to come off the bench or play out of position as SG. Jennings is coming here to start and Billups will only play PG. Why do you think otherwise??

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