OT-John Wall $80 million

[MrBigShot]

Not sure why this is a conversation. 30/30 NBA general managers would take John Wall over Brandon Jennings, contracts aside. He's a better player...the Washington board would laugh at this, and rightfully so.

[Natopher]

Looking at their stats, and advanced stats in both offensive and defensive categories they're both nearly identical in most categories, and each has a couple places where they excel more than the other. I really don't think you can just say definitively that one is better than the other.

[DetroitSho]

Not sure why this is a conversation. 30/30 NBA general managers would take John Wall over Brandon Jennings, contracts aside. He's a better player...the Washington board would laugh at this, and rightfully so.

Well if you read the thread all the way through then yes you ARE sure why this is a conversation. Jennings was brought up to show that good value was gotten on his contract based on Wall's. Its more puzzling that based on what we've seen in their careers why Wall is considered so otherworldly compared to Jennings. This is not Lebron vs. Rudy Gay or something.
Its funny I had to actually debate and defend Paul George deserving the 4/58 max on the GB but Wall at 5/80 is a slam dunk to people here. RealGM confuses me.

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[MrBigShot]

Not sure why this is a conversation. 30/30 NBA general managers would take John Wall over Brandon Jennings, contracts aside. He's a better player...the Washington board would laugh at this, and rightfully so.

Well if you read the thread all the way through then yes you ARE sure why this is a conversation. Jennings was brought up to show that good value was gotten on his contract based on Wall's. Its more puzzling that based on what we've seen in their careers why Wall is considered so otherworldly compared to Jennings. This is not Lebron vs. Rudy Gay or something.
Its funny I had to actually debate and defend Paul George deserving the 4/58 max on the GB but Wall at 5/80 is a slam dunk to people here. RealGM confuses me.

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Value is one thing, straight up ability and potential as players is another. If we are taking about John Wall vs. Brandon Jennings as a player right now, Wall is better. If we are talking about Wall vs. Jennings potential, it isn't even a contest. Contracts aside.

Naturally we will believe our guy is every bit as good, because he is now a Piston and we are all homers in one way or another.

Wall's numbers post all star break, 31 games. 21/8/5 on 45/34/81. Better scoring, better playmaking, better overall FG% percentage and efficiency, better rebounding, and better defense.

Like I said, 30/30 NBA GMs would rather have Wall. Whether or not they would take him at 5/80 vs. 3/24 for Jennings is a better debate.

[DetroitSho]

Not sure why this is a conversation. 30/30 NBA general managers would take John Wall over Brandon Jennings, contracts aside. He's a better player...the Washington board would laugh at this, and rightfully so.

Well if you read the thread all the way through then yes you ARE sure why this is a conversation. Jennings was brought up to show that good value was gotten on his contract based on Wall's. Its more puzzling that based on what we've seen in their careers why Wall is considered so otherworldly compared to Jennings. This is not Lebron vs. Rudy Gay or something.
Its funny I had to actually debate and defend Paul George deserving the 4/58 max on the GB but Wall at 5/80 is a slam dunk to people here. RealGM confuses me.

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Value is one thing, straight up ability and potential as players is another. If we are taking about John Wall vs. Brandon Jennings as a player right now, Wall is better. If we are talking about Wall vs. Jennings potential, it isn't even a contest. Contracts aside.

Naturally we will believe our guy is every bit as good, because he is now a Piston and we are all homers in one way or another.

Wall's numbers post all star break, 31 games. 21/8/5 on 45/34/81. Better scoring, better playmaking, better overall FG% percentage and efficiency, better rebounding, and better defense.

Like I said, 30/30 NBA GMs would rather have Wall. Whether or not they would take him at 5/80 vs. 3/24 for Jennings is a better debate.

Your last statement says it all, that's the whole point of why Jennings was even brought up. To take it a step further, it wasn't even "would you rather have Jennings at 3/24 or Wall at 5/80". It was "with Wall getting 5/80 Jennings looks like pretty good value". THAT'S IT!!! Nobody is saying Jennings is better at ANY PRICE. Jennings was already thought by many to be on good contract after the trade was announced. Comparing it to Wall was just a point of reference.

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[Dre Drummond]

I'd agree that if contracts were the same 29 or 30 GMs take Wall over Jennings... But given the current contracts of 3/24 or 5/80 I think many GMs take Jennings knowing they could spend $8+ million more on another player to add to Jennings.

[ImHeisenberg]

I really don't think you can just say definitively that one is better than the other.

How about durability? Over 4 seasons, Jennings has played in 89% of the regular season games. Wall, over 3 seasons has played in 75%. That's a big issue for a guy that young.

Overall, Wall immediately comes off as the better prospect. Will he warrant his 5 year 80 million salary? Time will tell. But, with Jennings at 3/24, the risk is greatly reduced. If Wall doesn't work out, that team is sunk for the duration of the contract. If Jennings doesn't work out, big deal, we have the resources to look elsewhere.

Both are lightning quick. Jennings is the better shooter, Wall has superior size. They're significantly different players. And ultimately, at the end of the day, the question won't be "Who's the better player", but rather, "who has the better team?"

[Q00]

Not sure why this is a conversation. 30/30 NBA general managers would take John Wall over Brandon Jennings, contracts aside. He's a better player...the Washington board would laugh at this, and rightfully so.

Its because both are young point guards about the same age with about the same production, and both just got new contracts within the last day. Except one got paid twice as much as the other. That is why it is a conversation, because when two players at the same position are close in age and produce the same, and both get new contracts in the same offseason, you expect their contracts to be about the same - not one twice as much as the other.

It would be like Monroe getting 16 million next year, while Cousins only gets 8 million because he has issues. You don't think that would warrant conversation?

As for the Washington board laughing at the topic, I'm not sure how that is significant to anything.

[MrBigShot]

Already addressed that in my last post...I was referring to Jennings vs. Wall as players, contacts aside, when I said "not sure why this is a conversation". All I'm saying is that Wall is a better player. Not a better contract per say.

[DetroitPistons]

Already addressed that in my last post...I was referring to Jennings vs. Wall as players, contacts aside, when I said "not sure why this is a conversation". All I'm saying is that Wall is a better player. Not a better contract per say.

Yup. I could stomach this thread better if we were talking about contracts but there are people suggesting that Jennings is equal or near equal to Wall. It's ludicrous.

[Minas]

Wow the Jennings homerism has began...

Anybody who thinks that Jennings is on the same level as Wall is crazy.

Wall will most probably become a Top 10 player in the league and Jennings is unlikely to even become a top 10 PG.

[MrBigShot]

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This guy has the heart of a champion. If he were a piston most of us would be hyping him to be the greatest PG in the league next year.

[roc]

Not sure why this is a conversation. 30/30 NBA general managers would take John Wall over Brandon Jennings, contracts aside. He's a better player...the Washington board would laugh at this, and rightfully so.

QFT

[Jodi]

Wall isn't worth 80mil and he'll prove it this season...

[retrolenny]

This board is getting ridiculous. Wall is faaaaaaaar superior to Jennings. It's embarrassing to say otherwise. Wall was a monster the second half of the season and turned the Wizards into a respectable team after being the laughing stock of the league to start the season. He is only going to get better and can easily be a top 5 PG as soon as next year.

THIS!! The only reason I made this thread is that Wall is off the court with injuries more than he's on it. That's VERY expensive for someone who's going to get paid to rehab during half the season.

*EDIT: Seeing him get 80mm makes me feel better about Jennings. They are not in the same league but Jennings is more durable and he's not worth 50% less that Wall!! That was my entire point!!