Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary

[Illmatic21]

OP I And 1'ed you, but I still think it's a bit too early for this. You have some valuable insight but you should wait until a bit closer to the season for the best potential analysis.

Off season is pretty much done and rosters are pretty set. Usually teams get all their moves done early to concentrate on summer league and then training camp. I think the Jennings trade was pretty much the end.

True. I'm just noticing that it's August already.. time is flying

[Trader_Joe]

I think Boston is way too high. I don't think Chris Paul/KD could take that roster to that many wins. That roster doesn't have any talent on it.

Rondo hopes to be back by the opener, which will help.

If so they have a solid team 1-3, but only have back up quality players at the 4 (Bass, Hump, Sullinger) and nothing at the 5. However I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to land a center. They're only a decent center away from the playoffs as they have massive depth and versatility other than center and back up PG. So many players can play multiple positions for them.

PG - Rondo l Bradley
SG - Bradley l Lee l Crawford l Brooks l Bogans
SF - Green l Wallace l Bogans l Brooks
PF - Bass l Sullinger l Wallace l Green l Humphries l Olynyk l Faverani
C - Olynyk l Melo l Faverani

If they somehow helped Houston get a PF and got Lin and Asik in the process they'd probably be a playoff team.
Then again, they are/should be tanking.

[jazzfan1971]

Minny added.

[Guy986]

Toronto way too low. I expect them to make the playoffs.

[Nondescript]

You know AK-47 is with the Nets now right? Your section on Minny seems to imply he is still there.

[jazzfan1971]

Clearer now?

[Nondescript]

Clearer now?

Yeah it is. Sorry to nitpick, it was just a bit murky. I really like these rankings so far.

[Nondescript]

Clearer now?

Yeah it is. Sorry to nitpick, it was just a bit murky. I really like these rankings so far.

[jazzfan1971]

Not at all, I appreciate the constructive criticism.

[jazzfan1971]

Denver up.

[giberish]

Jazzfan, 2008 GSW team had 48 wins and missed the playoffs.

I'm pretty sure Phoenix did the same in 2009 or 2010.

I actually think that the 8 seed in the west will be 41-42 wins this year, though the next few teams will be close behind.

I think you've got too many wins for a few WC teams. Teams rarely go from an injury fest like Minny had last year to full health, so I'd expect them to be several wins lower. Also 43 wins is really a best case scenario for the Lakers. If Pau misses anywhere near the amount of time he did last year, or Kobe isn't 100% they'll be well below that mark (and if both happen they could really crater).

[jazzfan1971]

Warriors up (2nd to last).

[Trader_Joe]

I don't think Denver makes the playoffs, so I think 50 wins is outlandish for a team who

-Lost the COY and replaced him with a rookie coach with a new system and philosophy
-Lost the EOY who could have swindled some more trades for them
-Traded their starting C for a back-up PF
-Will not have their starting SF (Gallo) for a little while as he comes back from injury
-Lost their starting SG (Iggy) and replaced him with Foye

I would not at all be surprised if they tank, I mean focus on player development, for 2013-14 and finish well back of the playoffs.

[jazzfan1971]

I don't think Denver makes the playoffs, so I think 50 wins is outlandish for a team who

-Lost the COY and replaced him with a rookie coach with a new system and philosophy
-Lost the EOY who could have swindled some more trades for them
-Traded their starting C for a back-up PF
-Will not have their starting SF (Gallo) for a little while as he comes back from injury
-Lost their starting SG (Iggy) and replaced him with Foye

I would not at all be surprised if they tank, I mean focus on player development, for 2013-14 and finish well back of the playoffs.

The loss of Karl will hurt a bit. But, I'm of the opinion that players win games, not coaches.
Executive of the year won't make too much difference barring some blockbuster deals for this season anyway.
Koufos probably can't claim to be much better than Mozgov or McGee.
The loss of Gallo will hurt, but, they've got Chandler who will do a nice job until he comes back.
Losing Iggy is huge. And for the most part that's why I dropped them 7 games from last year. I'm no expert on this stuff, but, I'm not sure Iggy was even worth 7 wins by himself. So, that seems reasonable.

And on the plus side, Denver has amazing depth in my opinion. There is talent galore on that roster as I see it, not a lot of star power, but, they are going to eat opposing benches alive unless I'm greatly mistaken.

Once Gallo is back you can take away the starting 5 (Lawson, Fournier, Gallo, Faried, McGee) and still have..

Andre Miller or Nate Robinson
Randy Foye
Wilson Chandler
JJ Hickson or Darrell Arthur
Timothy Mozgov

Even when you remove the starting 5 you still have a 7 man rotation that could hang with the 76ers and Suns of the league.

[HartfordWhalers]

I don't think Denver makes the playoffs, so I think 50 wins is outlandish for a team who

-Lost the COY and replaced him with a rookie coach with a new system and philosophy
-Lost the EOY who could have swindled some more trades for them
-Traded their starting C for a back-up PF
-Will not have their starting SF (Gallo) for a little while as he comes back from injury
-Lost their starting SG (Iggy) and replaced him with Foye

I would not at all be surprised if they tank, I mean focus on player development, for 2013-14 and finish well back of the playoffs.

The loss of Karl will hurt a bit. But, I'm of the opinion that players win games, not coaches.
Executive of the year won't make too much difference barring some blockbuster deals for this season anyway.
Koufos probably can't claim to be much better than Mozgov or McGee.
The loss of Gallo will hurt, but, they've got Chandler who will do a nice job until he comes back.
Losing Iggy is huge. And for the most part that's why I dropped them 7 games from last year. I'm no expert on this stuff, but, I'm not sure Iggy was even worth 7 wins by himself. So, that seems reasonable.

And on the plus side, Denver has amazing depth in my opinion. There is talent galore on that roster as I see it, not a lot of star power, but, they are going to eat opposing benches alive unless I'm greatly mistaken.

Once Gallo is back you can take away the starting 5 (Lawson, Fournier, Gallo, Faried, McGee) and still have..

Andre Miller or Nate Robinson
Randy Foye
Wilson Chandler
JJ Hickson or Darrell Arthur
Timothy Mozgov

Even when you remove the starting 5 you still have a 7 man rotation that could hang with the 76ers and Suns of the league.

I would take it with a big grain of salt, but wagesofwins has Iguodala worth 9.7 wins next season, and Foye 1.1, so, that is 8 or so on that exchange.

More importantly, I think the Sixers take the Denver backups, but it would 6 or 7 games.

[jazzfan1971]

What did they have iggy worth LAST season?

[Trader_Joe]

I don't think Denver makes the playoffs, so I think 50 wins is outlandish for a team who

-Lost the COY and replaced him with a rookie coach with a new system and philosophy
-Lost the EOY who could have swindled some more trades for them
-Traded their starting C for a back-up PF
-Will not have their starting SF (Gallo) for a little while as he comes back from injury
-Lost their starting SG (Iggy) and replaced him with Foye

I would not at all be surprised if they tank, I mean focus on player development, for 2013-14 and finish well back of the playoffs.

The loss of Karl will hurt a bit. But, I'm of the opinion that players win games, not coaches.
Executive of the year won't make too much difference barring some blockbuster deals for this season anyway.
Koufos probably can't claim to be much better than Mozgov or McGee.
The loss of Gallo will hurt, but, they've got Chandler who will do a nice job until he comes back.
Losing Iggy is huge. And for the most part that's why I dropped them 7 games from last year. I'm no expert on this stuff, but, I'm not sure Iggy was even worth 7 wins by himself. So, that seems reasonable.

And on the plus side, Denver has amazing depth in my opinion. There is talent galore on that roster as I see it, not a lot of star power, but, they are going to eat opposing benches alive unless I'm greatly mistaken.

Once Gallo is back you can take away the starting 5 (Lawson, Fournier, Gallo, Faried, McGee) and still have..

Andre Miller or Nate Robinson
Randy Foye
Wilson Chandler
JJ Hickson or Darrell Arthur
Timothy Mozgov

Even when you remove the starting 5 you still have a 7 man rotation that could hang with the 76ers and Suns of the league.

Karl for all his faults was an excellent regular season coach. I think that loss will be big. Shaw, I'm sure will do well, but I think it will take him at least 1 year to install his vision on this team.

Iggy is the 2nd biggest loss. Gallo's will hurt as well.

But in general I think there is going to be a shift in attitude. Faried said some things (maybe on Twitter) where basically he couldn't understand why Karl and Uriji were basically let go. (He's been in trade rumors too) Between their departures, Iggy's departure as a FA without seemingly considering the team, I think there will be a shift in morale, and I would not expect the same type of results and chemistry of years past.

I feel very comfortable saying they will not be a playoff team this season in the West and I would not be surprised to see them finish below .500. Perhaps that sounds drastic, but considering the drastic changes they made and the upgrades so many in the West have made, it really would not surprise me.

Also, I noticed you got some feedback on the Nuggs board.. but most of it was from Corona, who seems rather optimistic, while Uriji fan seemed perhaps the more pessimistic, yet IMO realistic one.

[floppymoose]

So I agree a lot with the actual basketball take on GSW. Not sure why you posed the whole thing as an argument with GS fans though.

[HartfordWhalers]

What did they have iggy worth LAST season?

Wins Produced: 10.4

http://www.thenbageek.com/players?utf8= ... q=iguodala

(Foye is at 2.4)

[jazzfan1971]

basketball reference has iggy at 5.6 WS last year. not sure where the discrepancy comes from.