Ben Gordon Trade Debate: Good Or Bad?

[BayAreaTreyArea]

Analysts are saying next years draft is strong but only at the top. A pick between 12-20 isn't going to be worth more than that spot in other drafts. A player who has a 10% chance to be a starter for 12 mill and his roster salary when you had all the young guys polis this years pick doesn't add up to much at all on an nba team. There is only so much youth a team can and should have. Bg opened the doors for smith which is outrageous on a level of productivity between the two.

[dan2314]

if we had kept the pick, we couldve moved it in a package with cv and stuckey. we could have eric gordon or rudy gay. that seems like a much better use of the pick than to simply dump ben gordon, which couldve been done with the amnesty

[kurtis48239]

We also have to remember gores did buy out rip,so iam sure he didnt want to pay another player to go away,he also got rid of prince and got out of his contract to set us up this summer.All in all gore and dumars have done a GREAT JOB bringing us back from the bowels of NBA hell.

[kellmellus50]

Last time pistons pick at 15-16 was austin daye so you see what we get at that number he will not be missed.

[Pharaoh]

Worrying about this trade after landing Smith, Jennings, Billups, Datome, K.C.P, Mitchell...

seems pretty pointless to me, especially when looking at the one move on it's own

Yes, as an isolated trade we gave away a first round pick instead of using the amnesty.

In reality it was step 1 on the path to the 2013 off-season... I'm 99% certain step 2 was going to be using the amnesty on CV... and we'd still get K.C.P, Mitchell, Siva in the Draft, still get Smith, Billups, Datome...

maybe we get Rondo instead of Jennings by giving up a package containing our 2014 pick/Knight/filler?

But step 2 never happened because Memphis wanted Tayshaun and we landed Calderon... his acquisition was a win-win move: mentor Knight for half a season and if it works we'll amnesty CV and maybe keep Calderon... if it didn't work we'd dumop JC and go shopping.

And that's what we did! Joe set this up extremely well... and while it's easy to see it in hindsight we have 5 pages that says not everyone sees what I see.

Not that there's anything wrong with that... I just don't think you can look at a single trade in isolation... there is always a bigger picture...

[BadMofoPimp]

People are whining about losing a pick most likely to be between 12-18!?!?!?

There are Free Agents available that can be signed to Minimum salaries or at least Mid Level Exception better than what the Pistons most likely would have drafted.

Plus, Gores saved $12 million in pocket money to boot.

Genius move. I would hate to see some of you people try to run a business.

before this offseason, that pick wouldve had the value of a top 6 or 7 pick, in a draft everyone loves. we couldve moved that for something serious. instead it had the exact same use as the amnesty.. to free up cap space as a counter to bg negative value. we got nothing in return.


so either we trade the pick along with bg for cap space.
or we use the amnesty clause, keep the pick, and have cap space.

that pick gets moved on draft night.. maybe with cv and stuckey, (eric gordon?) and we have that asset, aswell as everything else we still could do after that.
we used that pick simply as an amnesty clause, so that rather than waivers taking on bg, the bobcats would. that pick therefore was used as zero value - when it couldve been used for so much more.

I don't get your premise. The pick is next years pick. It won't be a top 6 or 7 in any possible way. Most likely, it won't even be a lottery pick. After the lottery, there is like a 1 in 20 chance the pick will be an impact player. I could have signed JR Smith with the MLE and still have $7 mil left over if I wanted to which would be better than that pick. Instead, Pistons got Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings which is even better while not wasting $12 mil on a player not playing for me.

Brilliance!

[dan2314]

I don't get your premise. The pick is next years pick. It won't be a top 6 or 7 in any possible way. Most likely, it won't even be a lottery pick. After the lottery, there is like a 1 in 20 chance the pick will be an impact player. I could have signed JR Smith with the MLE and still have $7 mil left over if I wanted to which would be better than that pick. Instead, Pistons got Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings which is even better while not wasting $12 mil on a player not playing for me.

Brilliance!

did you even read what i said? before the offseason, we were considered by everyone to be a crappy team forever. if we had that pick, it would have huge value on it, because teams trading for it wouldve thought it would be a top 6-7 pick.

[BadMofoPimp]

I don't get your premise. The pick is next years pick. It won't be a top 6 or 7 in any possible way. Most likely, it won't even be a lottery pick. After the lottery, there is like a 1 in 20 chance the pick will be an impact player. I could have signed JR Smith with the MLE and still have $7 mil left over if I wanted to which would be better than that pick. Instead, Pistons got Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings which is even better while not wasting $12 mil on a player not playing for me.

Brilliance!

did you even read what i said? before the offseason, we were considered by everyone to be a crappy team forever. if we had that pick, it would have huge value on it, because teams trading for it wouldve thought it would be a top 6-7 pick.

Pistons hadn't drafted less than 8 for 4 years now. Even with this so called "Crappy" team, the Pistons would still be around 10th or worse. Especially being the Pistons still had to sign more players to reach the Salary floor. I can't think of a GM in the entire NBA that would take your premise over saving $12 mil and getting Josh Smith and BJ. Maybe just maybe, Otis Smith.

What you are talking about is gambling over a for sure thing.

[mercury]

Anyone want to guarantee the pick we would have received will pan out?... bird in hand