Cap Situation

[HotelVitale]

We will not have $7 mil to spend if Larry Coon is correct on his projected salary cap figure! It will be approx $10 mil in cap space...

So with the cap set at $58.6m, we're looking at having as little as $3.1m to spend.

You might want to check your math again. It's a little off.

Thanks for the corrections, gents. I think it's pretty standard to give all-star level guys extensions before the summer of their QO. Guess it doesn't always happen, and maybe Monroe wouldn't mind if someone explained the pistons' incentive to wait until later in the summer to extend him.

My internet hasn't been working well on my phone but I couldn't find Coon's figure for 2014. A $3.5m jump in the cap over one year (from $58.5 to $62) sounds really high, but I'll trust your word on it, Pharaoh. That would be big for us.

Btw, ripcourt, I just added Smith's extra $1.5m and Monroe's extra $2-4m from palace's numbers, and subtracted the $1.4m from the cap total, which means the $10m he projected shrinks to as low as $3.1m. Didn't bother to re crunch his numbers.

[need4detroit]

Obviously unless they drastic improvements this season, its stuckey and CV left to go before we are at our ideal rotation.
I think that unless some cant miss deal comes across, they will be here until the offseason, when we then let them expire for 17mil, spend about 10mil (maybe a little less if we're not going max) of that on a monroe extension, and have about 7mil to sign another major bench piece - which with the new cba seems to be a fair bit now.

Our bench really is quite bad though.. billups might not be able to produce anymore.. after that its bynum/singler/datome/mitchell/jerebko/siva. dont think any of them are capable of being contributers on a champ team, but thats for another thread.

In theory, isn't our bench stronger this year than last year? Anyways yeah, it will be interesting to see how the expiring play out.

its definitely better than last year, but its still pretty bad..

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/13/7/diffeff/1-1

We had a pretty strong bench last year. It actually outscored the opponent on average.

[Pharaoh]

The cap right now is $58,679,000

Assuming it only jumps $2 mil we'll still have $8 mil to spend next off-season if we stand pat

That should be enough money to get 1 or 2 reasonable bench players

[Dre Drummond]

They are predicting a few million dollar increase next year which actually may be bad for us... because that might mean Max for Monroe is $85 million rather than $80 million.

But Pharaoh is right for sure... we will have more than MLE for sure next year if we don't trade for an additional player or give Monroe a max extension early... Depending on the cap we could have $8-$9 million most likely.

There is no reason to trade our expirings for nothing but at the same time if we could land one really solid player (Rudy Gay) or two really good rotation players (Afflalo + Big Baby Davis) I would certainly do it.

[The Moose]

So Pharaoh,

Is the 10 million before or after Monroe extension?

[Warspite]

So Pharaoh,

Is the 10 million before or after Monroe extension?

Its with Monroes cap hold being 10mil. If Monroe signs for more than 10 mil then each dollar eats into the 10 mil.

If I recall Larry Coon believed the Cap would be over 60 mil for this yr. Im going to bet hes on the high side of projections.

[Pharaoh]

So Pharaoh,

Is the 10 million before or after Monroe extension?

Its with Monroes cap hold being 10mil. If Monroe signs for more than 10 mil then each dollar eats into the 10 mil.

If I recall Larry Coon believed the Cap would be over 60 mil for this yr. Im going to bet hes on the high side of projections.

Warspite nailed it: The $10 mil in cap space is BEFORE extending/re-signign Monroe... but we'd still have his Bird Rights and a cap hold for him counted against our team salary

And while it's true Coon could be on the high side with his projection let's roll it back and assume the cap only rises to $60 mil (it's almost that right now)

We'd be able to go shopping with $7-8 mil in cap space while having Drummond, Monroe, Smith, K.C.P, Jennings, Bynum, Billups, Singler, Datome, Mitchell, Jerebko, Siva on the books!

Consider that a fair few teams are tanking... and tanking in the NBA usually means "trying to win" the Lotto in multiple years, not just once....

Consider that teams over the luxury tax threshold don't get the full MLE... so we can out-bid the tax paying teams by a significant amount...

Consider that some teams face significant salary decisions next off-season (Indiana, Chicago, Brooklyn)

I honestly don't believe people appreciate what Joe Dumars has done here... and not to harp on a subject but it all began with the Ben Gordon trade. Stop whining about losing the 2014 pick people.... that trade (and the Tayshaun deal) seriously set us up long term

I couldn't be more hopeful right now... and I never thought Joe could do that... not after the last 5 years!

[Warspite]

Joe does deserve a ton of credit. Didnt we have the highest paid bench in the NBA just a few yrs ago? Several of us saw his plan and believed it could work. Imagine if Knight would have worked out we could be after a max contract wing player next yr.

Thats what you do in the NBA

Draft starters with allstar potenial

free up cap space before there exentsions and then pug holes with quality players.

Those that wanted to wait untill 2014 would be on the wrong side of the window.