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Re: Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread 2.0 

Post#61 » by LikeABosh » Fri Aug 2, 2013 4:54 pm

SmushedPennies wrote:Your opinion. This is his life. Not to mention he has agents to pay. Agents who are doing their best to pry as much cash out of teams as possible. This isn't just Greg sitting on his couch thinking "Hmm...Miami...New Orleans...San Antonio...Hmmm...."


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Post#62 » by twozeroMM » Fri Aug 2, 2013 5:18 pm

I would love Oden to come to Miami, but I see him going to New Orleans. I think that young core attracts him and for some reason those new jerseys and being a refreshed team with there new players. But we will see
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Post#63 » by Sejope » Fri Aug 2, 2013 5:21 pm

Sources were saying Oden to NO. Now, they are backtracking and saying it's between Miami and NO.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1jkjvf/sources_are_saying_oden_is_new_orleans_bound/
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Post#64 » by Heatin4 » Fri Aug 2, 2013 5:30 pm

Ivan Johnson Oden and Mo for the win son.
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Post#65 » by SlowPaced » Fri Aug 2, 2013 6:27 pm

I think Oden is going to the Pelicans. I hope not, though.
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Post#66 » by NBA82 » Fri Aug 2, 2013 6:37 pm

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NBA82 wrote:The more I think about it, the more I'm coming around on Mo Williams. He's a quality ballhandler and an elite shooter. Our Cole-Allen lineups were horrific last year, so for all of his flaws, I don't see how Mo could be a downgrade. We started blowing the lid off of teams when we went with 3 shooters + LeBron and a big. Mo would make that a lot easier, since we'd always have a shooter at the PG position.

I also like the idea of Mo as insurance. Right now, we don't have a backup plan at guard. If any of our 4 guards go down, we're searching the waivers for a replacement. There's no contingency on the roster. Mo would be a LOT better than anything we could potentially salvage out of free agency midseason. Let Cole be a situational defender.

If you look at our team last year, I'd say we had two major flaws. Our Cole-Allen units and our lack of a 7 footer. Oden + Mo could resolve those issues.

You say the Cole-Ray back court was bad, but just think of the Mo-Ray one. Cole helps mask Ray on defense. Might as well trot Shard or with them and field one of the worst 1-3 defensive lineups in the league.


I don't mean to knock Cole. I'm actually a big fan of his mentality and effort. But objectively speaking, pretty much every advanced metric pegged him as one of the worst rotation players in the NBA. The Cole-Allen second unit would routinely get torched -- not just defensively, but overall. Whenever we played those two in tandem, we hemorrhaged leads.

Because of that, it's hard for me to imagine Mo-Ray being worse. It's not that I think that's an ideal unit. We agree that they'd be horrible defensively. But when you're basically rock bottom, there's only one direction to go. And Mo isn't just some random replacement -- he's a guy that has been a consistently above average shooter, scorer, and distributor in the league.

It's also worth noting that most backup PGs aren't very good. Mo might struggle mightily when guarding the CP3s and Tony Parkers of the world, but given sufficient effort, I think he's capable of doing a passable job on the Shaun Livingstons, CJ Watsons, and Kirk Hinrichs of the league.
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Re: Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread 2.0 

Post#67 » by Tjjrex » Fri Aug 2, 2013 6:38 pm

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NBA82 wrote:The more I think about it, the more I'm coming around on Mo Williams. He's a quality ballhandler and an elite shooter. Our Cole-Allen lineups were horrific last year, so for all of his flaws, I don't see how Mo could be a downgrade. We started blowing the lid off of teams when we went with 3 shooters + LeBron and a big. Mo would make that a lot easier, since we'd always have a shooter at the PG position.

I also like the idea of Mo as insurance. Right now, we don't have a backup plan at guard. If any of our 4 guards go down, we're searching the waivers for a replacement. There's no contingency on the roster. Mo would be a LOT better than anything we could potentially salvage out of free agency midseason. Let Cole be a situational defender.

If you look at our team last year, I'd say we had two major flaws. Our Cole-Allen units and our lack of a 7 footer. Oden + Mo could resolve those issues.

You say the Cole-Ray back court was bad, but just think of the Mo-Ray one. Cole helps mask Ray on defense. Might as well trot Shard or with them and field one of the worst 1-3 defensive lineups in the league.


Some of you here are 1) Way overrating Cole's defense, or at least the overall affect of it. 2) Way underratimg Mo's offense, and how much better it is than Cole's and even Rio's.

Norris' defense can't just make up for Ray's. It doesn't work that way. He's not cleaning up the penetration Ray allows. So the idea that he's balancing out Ray's D is absurd. There's a reason they were one of the worst +/- duos in the league last year. Cole is still a pretty terrible offensive player, and it makes those second units look worse than they should. For this reason, as well as his familiarity with him, I believe LeBron is pushing for Mo behind the scenes; hence the mutual interest. Wade and James would both love having Mo instead of NoNo running the point in that 2nd unit. Cole can't make plays for himself or teammates, nor hit spot up shots consistently. Williams can do all 3 better than any PG we've had here in ages, and it would make our stars' jobs way easier. The insurance element is also very important.

Mo is tailor-made for a bench-spark role. He'd flourish in that role for us. We envisioned Ray being a super-sub on his own, but he just can't be trusted to create on the level required. He and Mo would make a great offensive back court for LeBron and Wade to play off of when the other sits.


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Post#68 » by mademan » Fri Aug 2, 2013 7:16 pm

Mo is much, much better than Norris Cole. I know most Heat fans like the dude, but cmon, he's clearly one of the worse rotation players in the league. He's good defensively, in spots, but he's not a gamechanger there. Mo, on the other hand, is one of the better, more efficient offensive players in the league. Having him as a sparkplug off the bench would be amazing.

And he's not a chucker; he knows how to play well off of Lebron (and probably Wade too).
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Post#69 » by GameTime_3 » Fri Aug 2, 2013 7:38 pm

Sejope wrote:Sources were saying Oden to NO. Now, they are backtracking and saying it's between Miami and NO.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1jkjvf/sources_are_saying_oden_is_new_orleans_bound/


Oden has backtracked a few times already. He sits in an unusaual place. Injury prone with alot of potential, if he takes less money and gets hurt, he is done. He takes the money but in wrong place or gets used and get hurt, career over.
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Post#70 » by LikeABosh » Fri Aug 2, 2013 7:39 pm

I wouldn't call Cole one of the worst rotation players in the league. He hits the 3 and defends well. Pretty standard for rotation players
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Post#71 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Aug 2, 2013 7:48 pm

Cole is a nice backup at this point in time but he's still growing.

In terms of talent, Mo is on another level.

I won't be too surprised if Mo looks like a borderline allstar playing next to LBJ and Wade. Rio is decent but he's not really capable of punishing defenses like Mo could in the same situation. Mo is a very good fit next to LBJ and Wade, he's a very good catch and shoot player, can create when given space too.

Mo will be a great addition. both for depth at PG and SG and he'll probably be our best overall PG in most circumstances.
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Re: Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread 2.0 

Post#72 » by LikeABosh » Fri Aug 2, 2013 7:50 pm

Al Harrington got waived...maybe we could...

Eh forget it
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Post#73 » by Altered_Beast » Fri Aug 2, 2013 8:04 pm

LikeABosh wrote:I wouldn't call Cole one of the worst rotation players in the league. He hits the 3 and defends well. Pretty standard for rotation players

he hits the three at an average clip. his defense is ok he gets caught alot on pump fakes and players who like cutting off hand offs and pick and rolls. cole is a good defender but he plays on roller skates

i like cole but mo would be a significant upgrade as others have said
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Post#74 » by LikeABosh » Fri Aug 2, 2013 8:09 pm

Altered_Beast wrote:
LikeABosh wrote:I wouldn't call Cole one of the worst rotation players in the league. He hits the 3 and defends well. Pretty standard for rotation players

he hits the three at an average clip. his defense is ok he gets caught alot on pump fakes and players who like cutting off hand offs and pick and rolls. cole is a good defender but he plays on roller skates

i like cole but mo would be a significant upgrade as others have said


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Post#75 » by Biscayne Beast » Fri Aug 2, 2013 8:42 pm

LikeABosh wrote:Al Harrington got waived...maybe we could...

Eh forget it


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Post#76 » by twozeroMM » Fri Aug 2, 2013 8:45 pm

LikeABosh wrote:Al Harrington got waived...maybe we could...

Eh forget it

I actually think he would be a good pick up if we dont get Mo or Oden. If he can do what he did for the Nuggets, sign me up..
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Post#77 » by Vertical Limit » Fri Aug 2, 2013 9:08 pm

I would love Al Harrington here. He's only 33, if healthy he can help this team.
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Post#78 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Fri Aug 2, 2013 9:13 pm

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Hearing that Heat, Kings and Mavs (all Oden finalists) as well as Hawks, Knicks and Pacers have registered level of interest in Amundson
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Post#79 » by HEATVols865 » Fri Aug 2, 2013 9:30 pm

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Post#80 » by Heatin4 » Fri Aug 2, 2013 10:31 pm

Al Harrington could be a good Miller Type Replacement.

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