Let's be Vultures

[fekz]

So beyond the idea of picking the corpse of a stumbling Nets team for pierce, who else could we sget with cv/stuckey expirings? What other teams could run into chemistry issues where we could get a steal at the SG slot?

[DetroitPistons]

I've thought about this too. There aren't many good SG's out there though. Eric Gordon and Afflalo are the two that come to mind. I also wanted Henderson but it's too late for that now.

[DetroitDon15]

I think the only move left is to sign a back-up center or acquire one via trade.

[The Penguin]

At this point in the season anyone who wanted to trade for expirings has done it already. Our best play is holding on to them till February, seeing if someone is desperate to dump salary for the LBJ/Melo summer, otherwise maintaining our projected cap space.

[Dre Drummond]

Really hard to say until we see what teams that thought they'd be top 5 or 6 teams in their conference... or in the playoff hunt... are below expectations.

Also there may be players who were signed this year who won't fit with their new teams so that is certainly possible too...

The thing is, its going to be hard to trade for a big name player unless that player can play SG, will accept a bench role, or is an all-star player that we're trading one of our 4 locked in starters for.

[theBigLip]

Gerald Henderson, Wilson Chandler at SG?

Gay, Faried, Gallinari at SF?

The pickings are slim. Not like we're going to get LBJ, Harden, Kobe for expirings.

[Invictus88]

If all else fails, is it even feasible / worth considering taking on a bad contract for a year along with a first round pick?

Obviously it would depend on the team but next year's draft is pretty stacked....

[ImHeisenberg]

So beyond the idea of picking the corpse of a stumbling Nets team for pierce, who else could we sget with cv/stuckey expirings? What other teams could run into chemistry issues where we could get a steal at the SG slot?

The Nets would never do that. Trading Pierce doesn't afford them a cent of cap space, they're so far over it, it's ridiculous. They don't care about the luxury tax.

Philadelphia is openly willing to move Evan Turner and Thad Young, but I guarantee they will want a pick in return for either of them.

Orlando has Aaron Afflalo, but I think he's an overpaid role player and would hinder this teams cap space going forward, and I would rather see what we have with KCP who's making about 1/5 of AA's salary.

Then, there's Boston. Rondo is the only player of consequence I would be remotely interested in. Jennings would have to be the centerpiece in that trade.

[fekz]

So beyond the idea of picking the corpse of a stumbling Nets team for pierce, who else could we sget with cv/stuckey expirings? What other teams could run into chemistry issues where we could get a steal at the SG slot?

The Nets would never do that. Trading Pierce doesn't afford them a cent of cap space, they're so far over it, it's ridiculous. They don't care about the luxury tax.

Philadelphia is openly willing to move Evan Turner and Thad Young, but I guarantee they will want a pick in return for either of them.

Orlando has Aaron Afflalo, but I think he's an overpaid role player and would hinder this teams cap space going forward, and I would rather see what we have with KCP who's making about 1/5 of AA's salary.

Then, there's Boston. Rondo is the only player of consequence I would be remotely interested in. Jennings would have to be the centerpiece in that trade.

I really don't understand the infatuation with Afflalo, he's quite overrated on this board.

[ImHeisenberg]

I really don't understand the infatuation with Afflalo, he's quite overrated on this board.

He was drafted by the Pistons, and lived at the end of their bench before being traded to Denver for a second round pick. He then went on to Denver and became a solid starter, a prototypical 3/D player.

It's one of those things where former fan bases of a player still feel like they have some kind of claim to them. It's not indigenous to this board. Go read around on the Raptors board, they talk like Drummond should be a part of their team still.

[DetroitDon15]

So beyond the idea of picking the corpse of a stumbling Nets team for pierce, who else could we sget with cv/stuckey expirings? What other teams could run into chemistry issues where we could get a steal at the SG slot?

The Nets would never do that. Trading Pierce doesn't afford them a cent of cap space, they're so far over it, it's ridiculous. They don't care about the luxury tax.

Philadelphia is openly willing to move Evan Turner and Thad Young, but I guarantee they will want a pick in return for either of them.

Orlando has Aaron Afflalo, but I think he's an overpaid role player and would hinder this teams cap space going forward, and I would rather see what we have with KCP who's making about 1/5 of AA's salary.

Then, there's Boston. Rondo is the only player of consequence I would be remotely interested in. Jennings would have to be the centerpiece in that trade.

I really don't understand the infatuation with Afflalo, he's quite overrated on this board.

I don't love the guy but he would fill a need. Piston fan is crazy if they think Afflalo would be had for just one of our big expirings.

[Q00]

I could see us revisiting that Gay trade perhaps, once Toronto realizes they are going nowhere with that roster and wants to blow it up for cap space. We could bring him here as a SG/SF. He could be our starter at SG, then move up to SF when Smith moves up to PF. Gay might thrive at SG too. He'd have better looks all over the court, shooting over smaller players, and at 6'8", long and athletic, he'd be able to still guard them effectively on defense. If Tayshaun could guard 2's at 6'9" so can Gay.

[princeofpalace]

I could see us revisiting that Gay trade perhaps, once Toronto realizes they are going nowhere with that roster and wants to blow it up for cap space. We could bring him here as a SG/SF. He could be our starter at SG, then move up to SF when Smith moves up to PF. Gay might thrive at SG too. He'd have better looks all over the court, shooting over smaller players, and at 6'8", long and athletic, he'd be able to still guard them effectively on defense. If Tayshaun could guard 2's at 6'9" so can Gay.

Jennings/Gay/Smith would be a trainwreck and Monroe/Drummond would never see the ball. We wont revisit Gay anytime soon. And, Gay is not even close to as good defensively as Prince and certainly couldnt guard 2's effecively.

[ImHeisenberg]

I could see us revisiting that Gay trade perhaps, once Toronto realizes they are going nowhere with that roster and wants to blow it up for cap space. We could bring him here as a SG/SF. He could be our starter at SG, then move up to SF when Smith moves up to PF. Gay might thrive at SG too. He'd have better looks all over the court, shooting over smaller players, and at 6'8", long and athletic, he'd be able to still guard them effectively on defense. If Tayshaun could guard 2's at 6'9" so can Gay.

Jennings/Gay/Smith would be a trainwreck and Monroe/Drummond would never see the ball. We wont revisit Gay anytime soon. And, Gay is not even close to as good defensively as Prince and certainly couldnt guard 2's effecively.

Nailed this one on the head. Gay barely defends small forwards, I wouldn't put much faith in him to guard 2's.

[Q00]

I could see us revisiting that Gay trade perhaps, once Toronto realizes they are going nowhere with that roster and wants to blow it up for cap space. We could bring him here as a SG/SF. He could be our starter at SG, then move up to SF when Smith moves up to PF. Gay might thrive at SG too. He'd have better looks all over the court, shooting over smaller players, and at 6'8", long and athletic, he'd be able to still guard them effectively on defense. If Tayshaun could guard 2's at 6'9" so can Gay.

Jennings/Gay/Smith would be a trainwreck and Monroe/Drummond would never see the ball. We wont revisit Gay anytime soon. And, Gay is not even close to as good defensively as Prince and certainly couldnt guard 2's effecively.

I thought I just saw a post from you in another thread saying "not a chance" to the idea of the Pistons trading Knight for Jennings. lol. You should stop making definitive statements about what the team will or won't do. Your credibility is kind of lacking right now in the predictions department. So your prediction of how that lineup would work and how Gay would fare guarding 2's means little to nothing to me.

[princeofpalace]

I could see us revisiting that Gay trade perhaps, once Toronto realizes they are going nowhere with that roster and wants to blow it up for cap space. We could bring him here as a SG/SF. He could be our starter at SG, then move up to SF when Smith moves up to PF. Gay might thrive at SG too. He'd have better looks all over the court, shooting over smaller players, and at 6'8", long and athletic, he'd be able to still guard them effectively on defense. If Tayshaun could guard 2's at 6'9" so can Gay.

Jennings/Gay/Smith would be a trainwreck and Monroe/Drummond would never see the ball. We wont revisit Gay anytime soon. And, Gay is not even close to as good defensively as Prince and certainly couldnt guard 2's effecively.

I thought I just saw a post from you in another thread saying "not a chance" to the idea of the Pistons trading Knight for Jennings. lol. You should stop making definitive statements about what the team will or won't do. Your credibility is kind of lacking right now in the predictions department. So your prediction of how that lineup would work and how Gay would fare guarding 2's means little to nothing to me.

Ah yes, the old attack the poster instead of the content when you dont have an argument spiel...

[Q00]

Jennings/Gay/Smith would be a trainwreck and Monroe/Drummond would never see the ball. We wont revisit Gay anytime soon. And, Gay is not even close to as good defensively as Prince and certainly couldnt guard 2's effecively.

I thought I just saw a post from you in another thread saying "not a chance" to the idea of the Pistons trading Knight for Jennings. lol. You should stop making definitive statements about what the team will or won't do. Your credibility is kind of lacking right now in the predictions department. So your prediction of how that lineup would work and how Gay would fare guarding 2's means little to nothing to me.

Ah yes, the old attack the poster instead of the content when you dont have an argument spiel...

Attack the poster instead of the content? My whole response was specifically regarding the content of your posts, which was mostly you making bold predictions and telling me there's no way my ideas would ever work. I'd think you were the one attacking me by your logic. Its ok for you to laugh at the content of my post, but I'm not allowed to address the content of your posts in response? It works both ways, and I did present my argument already in my initial post. If you wanted to have a mature back and forth debate on the topic, you shouldn't have responded by laughing at my post, as I have no interest in continuing discussing a topic with someone at that point. So I'm done here.

[c-dot]

BJ/Gay/Smith = Trainwreck?

BJ/KCP/Smith = not a trainwreck?

KCP>Gay?

[The_Irony]

I really don't understand the infatuation with Afflalo, he's quite overrated on this board.

He was drafted by the Pistons, and lived at the end of their bench before being traded to Denver for a second round pick. He then went on to Denver and became a solid starter, a prototypical 3/D player.

It's one of those things where former fan bases of a player still feel like they have some kind of claim to them. It's not indigenous to this board. Go read around on the Raptors board, they talk like Drummond should be a part of their team still.

but we do the same thing with Cousins

Afflalo is definitely not worth 17 mill in expirings and is terribly over rated. And if anyone complains about trading expirings for Rudy Gay I definitely have to question their logic and reasoning skills.

[ImHeisenberg]

BJ/Gay/Smith = Trainwreck?

BJ/KCP/Smith = not a trainwreck?

KCP>Gay?

Who can say for certain? What we do know is that KCP has shown flashes of being a tireless defender, regardless of how his offensive game is going. Additionally, KCP won't be a high usage player, unless he's having a game where he's nailing everything he throws up.

Gay is a high usage player, and an inefficient one at that. This much we do know as a fact. We also know he's never been a completely committed defender in one on one situations, and is often guilty of ball watching, which allows his man to cut around him.

Then there's the difference in salary, which is astronomical.