BBallBreakdown does Nets vs. Heat!

[EGarrett]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHntcHNJTOE[/youtube]

BBallbreakdown's 500th video also happens to be on our favorite team.

[DarkXaero]

Some interesting statistics but we were so bad against the Heat last season that it's hard to take anything away from last year's play against them. It's nice to see that Pierce and KG elevate their play against the Heat (not surprising). One thing that he didn't account for in the video though was the Nets' horrible coaching staff and how much of a hindrance it was. The only thing he hints at with that is mentioning how Reggie Evans killed the floor spacing.

[Paradise]

I pretty much agree with everything he said but he's also forgetting a few things like the impact of Blatche who brings youth and athleticism against Miami's energy bigs. Blatche's defensive rating is 73 when next to B-Lo who makes him better on both ends. The Nets were a much better team against Miami when Blatche was in the game.

Even with all of that breakdown from last season's meetings, they only blew the Nets out in the 2nd halfs. If I remember correctly, the last time the Nets were in south beach, they had a 17 point lead in the first half. But 2nd half meltdowns was a theme all last season for a reason:

He's not factoring in the horrendous coaching last season. It's really hard to have your Big 3 play well together when they are the only offensive talents in the starting lineup and the other non-offensive talents can't play good defense in general. All it takes is one half for the Heat coaching staff and players to notice how awful Evans/Wallace are, the usage between Deron, Joe, Brook and take away Evans/Wallace and swarm the hell out of the Nets big 3 and let them cough up turnovers which is why the Heat cruised past us in 2nd halfs.

In contrast, even Kidd with no actual coaching experience per say, is the only guy on the team that beat Miami for a championship with Dallas then joins the Knicks and the Knicks suddenly goes 3-1 and blows Miami out of the water in nearly every meeting after a 0-4 sweep regular season meeting a year ago and a 1-4 meeting in the playoffs.

Other factors: Deron was not healthy in both games against Miami, he played better in Game 2 but Game 3 If I recall, he had the flu and was not supposed to play. He didn't even get that blood rich plasma injections then either, so Deron as a "Brooklyn" Net as not been at his best physically against Miami as of yet.

It's going to be a whole new ballgame to really see what we can do against them this season and what this team is made of as a whole mentally. It's a very good thing we have 7 preseason games and 2 of them are against Miami before opening night, so Kidd and the rest of the gang can get a feel for what to do and how to play against them in the regular season and playoffs hopefully.

[EGarrett]

Great post Paradise.

I think another big factor is that Garnett coupled with Lopez give us some real size inside, which is the Heat's Achilles Heel. I'd be surprised if Greg Oden made it from the team bus to the first practice, let alone to the postseason, so he's a non-factor IMO. Bosh is reduced to a borderline role player (0 points in game 7), and Wade gets older and more injured every year.

An unselfish 5-man attack like we'll be able to run is going to tax their defense, and we can post them up at multiple positions (almost all 5 positions). We also are highly unlikely to mentally break with our veterans. It comes down to health and how Kidd does as a rookie coach.

The only thing I'm not as comfortable with is playing the Heat on opening day. "Super-teams" tend to struggle in the early going as they figure out how to share the ball and interact with each other, and Miami has been together for several years. In terms of psychological edge, I'd much rather the guys get a few months to gel before their first meeting.

[PetroNet]

us really beating the heat comes down to how well we pass the ball in the half court. their team defense is on another planet then the rest of the league. they can hedge and recover crazy fast and they rotate and trap insanely fast.

Our passing needs to be at an elite level to beat them. and we need to be able to get the better of them when they go small by destroying them on the glass. Lopez needs to punish whatever big they put on him, and more importantly move the ball quickly.

i think defensively we will be ok against them. Garnett on bosh makes life alot easier and you can hide lopez a bit better and keep him closer ot the rim on defense.

[Boarder Patrol]

I pretty much agree with everything he said but he's also forgetting a few things like the impact of Blatche who brings youth and athleticism against Miami's energy bigs. Blatche's defensive rating is 73 when next to B-Lo who makes him better on both ends. The Nets were a much better team against Miami when Blatche was in the game.

Even with all of that breakdown from last season's meetings, they only blew the Nets out in the 2nd halfs. If I remember correctly, the last time the Nets were in south beach, they had a 17 point lead in the first half. But 2nd half meltdowns was a theme all last season for a reason:

He's not factoring in the horrendous coaching last season. It's really hard to have your Big 3 play well together when they are the only offensive talents in the starting lineup and the other non-offensive talents can't play good defense in general. All it takes is one half for the Heat coaching staff and players to notice how awful Evans/Wallace are, the usage between Deron, Joe, Brook and take away Evans/Wallace and swarm the hell out of the Nets big 3 and let them cough up turnovers which is why the Heat cruised past us in 2nd halfs.

In contrast, even Kidd with no actual coaching experience per say, is the only guy on the team that beat Miami for a championship with Dallas then joins the Knicks and the Knicks suddenly goes 3-1 and blows Miami out of the water in nearly every meeting after a 0-4 sweep regular season meeting a year ago and a 1-4 meeting in the playoffs.

Other factors: Deron was not healthy in both games against Miami, he played better in Game 2 but Game 3 If I recall, he had the flu and was not supposed to play. He didn't even get that blood rich plasma injections then either, so Deron as a "Brooklyn" Net as not been at his best physically against Miami as of yet.

It's going to be a whole new ballgame to really see what we can do against them this season and what this team is made of as a whole mentally. It's a very good thing we have 7 preseason games and 2 of them are against Miami before opening night, so Kidd and the rest of the gang can get a feel for what to do and how to play against them in the regular season and playoffs hopefully.

Really great post. I just don't see how The Nets, and the VAST majority of other teams in the league can stop a healthy Heat team in transition. Nets may be too slow, they need to try to play it to their tempo.

A lot of times the Nets actually kept it close through the first half but they didn't have any gas left by the end of games.

Great point about Kidd on Dallas/NY too.

[PetroNet]

I pretty much agree with everything he said but he's also forgetting a few things like the impact of Blatche who brings youth and athleticism against Miami's energy bigs. Blatche's defensive rating is 73 when next to B-Lo who makes him better on both ends. The Nets were a much better team against Miami when Blatche was in the game.

Even with all of that breakdown from last season's meetings, they only blew the Nets out in the 2nd halfs. If I remember correctly, the last time the Nets were in south beach, they had a 17 point lead in the first half. But 2nd half meltdowns was a theme all last season for a reason:

He's not factoring in the horrendous coaching last season. It's really hard to have your Big 3 play well together when they are the only offensive talents in the starting lineup and the other non-offensive talents can't play good defense in general. All it takes is one half for the Heat coaching staff and players to notice how awful Evans/Wallace are, the usage between Deron, Joe, Brook and take away Evans/Wallace and swarm the hell out of the Nets big 3 and let them cough up turnovers which is why the Heat cruised past us in 2nd halfs.

In contrast, even Kidd with no actual coaching experience per say, is the only guy on the team that beat Miami for a championship with Dallas then joins the Knicks and the Knicks suddenly goes 3-1 and blows Miami out of the water in nearly every meeting after a 0-4 sweep regular season meeting a year ago and a 1-4 meeting in the playoffs.

Other factors: Deron was not healthy in both games against Miami, he played better in Game 2 but Game 3 If I recall, he had the flu and was not supposed to play. He didn't even get that blood rich plasma injections then either, so Deron as a "Brooklyn" Net as not been at his best physically against Miami as of yet.

It's going to be a whole new ballgame to really see what we can do against them this season and what this team is made of as a whole mentally. It's a very good thing we have 7 preseason games and 2 of them are against Miami before opening night, so Kidd and the rest of the gang can get a feel for what to do and how to play against them in the regular season and playoffs hopefully.

Really great post. I just don't see how The Nets, and the VAST majority of other teams in the league can stop a healthy Heat team in transition. Nets may be too slow, they need to try to play it to their tempo.

A lot of times the Nets actually kept it close through the first half but they didn't have any gas left by the end of games.

Great point about Kidd on Dallas/NY too.

it had nothing to do with gas and everything with not being able to execute in the half court for 4 quarters. the nets needed to pass the ball well and not turn it over. that simply didnt happen. they needed to rotate in the half court, that didnt happen.

nets chances increase because the 2 guys the brought in are the 2 best half court players and 2 best passers on the team with garnett and pierce. if they can pass without turning it over, they have a shot. and defensively they should be significantly better.

its easy for the nets to slow down the pace becase they can iso all 5 guys and all 5 can get a good look late in the shot clock. its about passing and protecting the ball and not giving up easy layups like wallace did consistently

[Boarder Patrol]

I pretty much agree with everything he said but he's also forgetting a few things like the impact of Blatche who brings youth and athleticism against Miami's energy bigs. Blatche's defensive rating is 73 when next to B-Lo who makes him better on both ends. The Nets were a much better team against Miami when Blatche was in the game.

Even with all of that breakdown from last season's meetings, they only blew the Nets out in the 2nd halfs. If I remember correctly, the last time the Nets were in south beach, they had a 17 point lead in the first half. But 2nd half meltdowns was a theme all last season for a reason:

He's not factoring in the horrendous coaching last season. It's really hard to have your Big 3 play well together when they are the only offensive talents in the starting lineup and the other non-offensive talents can't play good defense in general. All it takes is one half for the Heat coaching staff and players to notice how awful Evans/Wallace are, the usage between Deron, Joe, Brook and take away Evans/Wallace and swarm the hell out of the Nets big 3 and let them cough up turnovers which is why the Heat cruised past us in 2nd halfs.

In contrast, even Kidd with no actual coaching experience per say, is the only guy on the team that beat Miami for a championship with Dallas then joins the Knicks and the Knicks suddenly goes 3-1 and blows Miami out of the water in nearly every meeting after a 0-4 sweep regular season meeting a year ago and a 1-4 meeting in the playoffs.

Other factors: Deron was not healthy in both games against Miami, he played better in Game 2 but Game 3 If I recall, he had the flu and was not supposed to play. He didn't even get that blood rich plasma injections then either, so Deron as a "Brooklyn" Net as not been at his best physically against Miami as of yet.

It's going to be a whole new ballgame to really see what we can do against them this season and what this team is made of as a whole mentally. It's a very good thing we have 7 preseason games and 2 of them are against Miami before opening night, so Kidd and the rest of the gang can get a feel for what to do and how to play against them in the regular season and playoffs hopefully.

Really great post. I just don't see how The Nets, and the VAST majority of other teams in the league can stop a healthy Heat team in transition. Nets may be too slow, they need to try to play it to their tempo.

A lot of times the Nets actually kept it close through the first half but they didn't have any gas left by the end of games.

Great point about Kidd on Dallas/NY too.

it had nothing to do with gas and everything with not being able to execute in the half court for 4 quarters. the nets needed to pass the ball well and not turn it over. that simply didnt happen. they needed to rotate in the half court, that didnt happen.

nets chances increase because the 2 guys the brought in are the 2 best half court players and 2 best passers on the team with garnett and pierce. if they can pass without turning it over, they have a shot. and defensively they should be significantly better.

its easy for the nets to slow down the pace becase they can iso all 5 guys and all 5 can get a good look late in the shot clock. its about passing and protecting the ball and not giving up easy layups like wallace did consistently

So it's entirely impossible that the slowest team in the league ran out gas late in games, and in turn turned the ball over more and couldn't execute in the half court?

[PetroNet]

Really great post. I just don't see how The Nets, and the VAST majority of other teams in the league can stop a healthy Heat team in transition. Nets may be too slow, they need to try to play it to their tempo.

A lot of times the Nets actually kept it close through the first half but they didn't have any gas left by the end of games.

Great point about Kidd on Dallas/NY too.

it had nothing to do with gas and everything with not being able to execute in the half court for 4 quarters. the nets needed to pass the ball well and not turn it over. that simply didnt happen. they needed to rotate in the half court, that didnt happen.

nets chances increase because the 2 guys the brought in are the 2 best half court players and 2 best passers on the team with garnett and pierce. if they can pass without turning it over, they have a shot. and defensively they should be significantly better.

its easy for the nets to slow down the pace becase they can iso all 5 guys and all 5 can get a good look late in the shot clock. its about passing and protecting the ball and not giving up easy layups like wallace did consistently

So it's entirely impossible that the slowest team in the league ran out gas late in games, and in turn turned the ball over more and couldn't execute in the half court?

no. it had nothing to do with fatigue, and everything to do with not being able to consitently execute in the half court. which is obvious from watching the games. especially when most of the breakdowns werent even late in the 4th quarter, but earlier in the 3rd.

[Boarder Patrol]

it had nothing to do with gas and everything with not being able to execute in the half court for 4 quarters. the nets needed to pass the ball well and not turn it over. that simply didnt happen. they needed to rotate in the half court, that didnt happen.

nets chances increase because the 2 guys the brought in are the 2 best half court players and 2 best passers on the team with garnett and pierce. if they can pass without turning it over, they have a shot. and defensively they should be significantly better.

its easy for the nets to slow down the pace becase they can iso all 5 guys and all 5 can get a good look late in the shot clock. its about passing and protecting the ball and not giving up easy layups like wallace did consistently

So it's entirely impossible that the slowest team in the league ran out gas late in games, and in turn turned the ball over more and couldn't execute in the half court?

no. it had nothing to do with fatigue, and everything to do with not being able to consitently execute in the half court. which is obvious from watching the games. especially when most of the breakdowns werent even late in the 4th quarter, but earlier in the 3rd.

From reading the box scores (and I watched two of the games during the year as well) it seems like the breakdown started in the third, but continued into the fourth, though it was more in the third honestly.

But what is the explanation for the inconsistency only to show in the second half? Coaching, heart, etc. are all valid reasons for collapsing but not for the fact that its never inthe first or second.

And something like seeing fatigue isn't as easy as you make it out to be for the Nets since all NBA players are swap eating buckets two minutes in and the nets were slow to begin with.

[PetroNet]

So it's entirely impossible that the slowest team in the league ran out gas late in games, and in turn turned the ball over more and couldn't execute in the half court?

no. it had nothing to do with fatigue, and everything to do with not being able to consitently execute in the half court. which is obvious from watching the games. especially when most of the breakdowns werent even late in the 4th quarter, but earlier in the 3rd.

From reading the box scores (and I watched two of the games during the year as well) it seems like the breakdown started in the third, but continued into the fourth, though it was more in the third honestly.

But what is the explanation for the inconsistency only to show in the second half? Coaching, heart, etc. are all valid reasons for collapsing but not for the fact that its never inthe first or second.

And something like seeing fatigue isn't as easy as you make it out to be for the Nets since all NBA players are swap eating buckets two minutes in and the nets were slow to begin with.

the nets were a horrible second half team all season, mostly because teams adjusted to having evans and wallace on the court and would force the nets other 3 starters to be flawless and score playing 3 on 5 offensively which can rarely be sustained over the course of 4 quarters. having a horrible bench with no depth at SG/SF/PF doesnt help either with those guys playing a big chunk of the late 3rd/early 4th.

nets were simply a team with no depth and too many 0's on offense last year. both have issues have not only been filled, but turned in huge strengths

[Paradise]

So it's entirely impossible that the slowest team in the league ran out gas late in games, and in turn turned the ball over more and couldn't execute in the half court?

The Knicks were 28th or 29th in pace. They were right behind us in slowness and played much better against the Heat. Why? Because they never were sloppy with the ball against Miami and they didn't turn into an Iso-fest team against them, they kept the ball movement on the perimeter and kept the Heat's defense on their toes.

This team had poor spacing with Reggie Evans while the Knicks had Melo at PF, we had no true shooting threats and It was fairly easy to contain our Big 3. Every team found ways to do it. It wasn't surprising that Miami pulled away after halftime in the games.

All you really have to do is:



As you can see, nobody on the Bulls cared about Wallace and rightfully so, he shot 27% from three in April. Deron is triple teamed to force a TO, Johnson has a defender on him, Lopez is now seeing Boozer coming to help to draw a charge or contest his roll.

Compared to the Knicks:




Not a single person on the Heat can triple team or double team. Even if they help off, Felton's drive, Novak is wide open.

We didn't have that against the Bulls in the playoffs or the Heat in the regular season which results into poor possessions.



Now, if Pierce is standing exactly where Wallace is, instead of it being a turnover by not passing it to Wallace in the corner (the Net guards started ignoring him after awhile), Pierce gets wide open looks, defenses won't dare leave him. That's when Deron can pick apart teams like Miami with pick and rolls with Lopez, pick and pops with Garnett (Garnett shoots it from the same distance Blatche is currently standing in the picture)

Boston has always beaten Miami or competed against them by low turnovers, halfcourt side to side, pick and roll offense. That's exactly what should be happening with this team as long as everyone shoots it well from the outside.

[Boarder Patrol]

So it's entirely impossible that the slowest team in the league ran out gas late in games, and in turn turned the ball over more and couldn't execute in the half court?

The Knicks were 28th or 29th in pace. They were right behind us in slowness and played much better against the Heat. Why? Because they never were sloppy with the ball against Miami and they didn't turn into an Iso-fest team against them, they kept the ball movement on the perimeter and kept the Heat's defense on their toes.

This team had poor spacing with Reggie Evans while the Knicks had Melo at PF, we had no true shooting threats and It was fairly easy to contain our Big 3. Every team found ways to do it. It wasn't surprising that Miami pulled away after halftime in the games.

All you really have to do is:



As you can see, nobody on the Bulls cared about Wallace and rightfully so, he shot 27% from three in April. Deron is triple teamed to force a TO, Johnson has a defender on him, Lopez is now seeing Boozer coming to help to draw a charge or contest his roll.

Compared to the Knicks:




Not a single person on the Heat can triple team or double team. Even if they help off, Felton's drive, Novak is wide open.

We didn't have that against the Bulls in the playoffs or the Heat in the regular season which results into poor possessions.



Now, if Pierce is standing exactly where Wallace is, instead of it being a turnover by not passing it to Wallace in the corner (the Net guards started ignoring him after awhile), Pierce gets wide open looks, defenses won't dare leave him. That's when Deron can pick apart teams like Miami with pick and rolls with Lopez, pick and pops with Garnett (Garnett shoots it from the same distance Blatche is currently standing in the picture)

Boston has always beaten Miami or competed against them by low turnovers, halfcourt side to side, pick and roll offense. That's exactly what should be happening with this team as long as everyone shoots it well from the outside.

I'll go ahead and concede this argument, great post. We're those your own graphics?

[Paradise]

I'll go ahead and concede this argument, great post. We're those your own graphics?

I found those through articles. I probably will do my own versions during the season but I hope I won't have too.

And to answer the question you asked in the Udrih thread in the Knick forum about AK:

According to Synergy Sports, Kirilenko allows an average of .741 points per possession on the defensive end, which ranks in the top 13 percent of players in the league. That’s especially remarkable considering that Kirilenko so often guards the opponents¹ best player, whether it¹s LeBron James or Kevin Durant or Kobe Bryant.

"I think I can guard 2-4," Kirilenko said. "Maybe some point guards but not the fast ones."

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... ck-adelman

[Boarder Patrol]

I'll go ahead and concede this argument, great post. We're those your own graphics?

I found those through articles. I probably will do my own versions during the season but I hope I won't have too.

And to answer the question you asked in the Udrih thread in the Knick forum about AK:

According to Synergy Sports, Kirilenko allows an average of .741 points per possession on the defensive end, which ranks in the top 13 percent of players in the league. That’s especially remarkable considering that Kirilenko so often guards the opponents¹ best player, whether it¹s LeBron James or Kevin Durant or Kobe Bryant.

"I think I can guard 2-4," Kirilenko said. "Maybe some point guards but not the fast ones."

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... ck-adelman

Thanks man. Ill definitely check out his synergy stats and stuff later. Never used that site.