Clutchness in elimination games..stats of Jordan, Kobe..

[Ancalagon]

Impressive numbers for Karl Malone.

[JWiLL02]

LOL Jordan 2 elimination games vs Mid 80's Celtics, 4 vs Peak bad boys Pistons

Way HARDER competition

That's the funny thing here, once Jordan "got over the hump" so to speak, he never lost an elimination game.

Edit: Forgot about the Orlando one in his comeback year, still impressive.

[schnakenpopanz]

these stats are kind of misleading, because if you play with a very dominant team, then there will be only few elimination games for you.

[mixerball]

cant find the stats, but isnt Dirk undefeated at closeout games

[big_ticket]

any KG stats for me?thanks

[Showtime:Part2]

Still no shaq stats.... Pleaseeeee post them.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Not really surprised by Kobe's PPG and FG/3pt %s but I was taken aback by how much his FT% dipped considering how clutch ESPN tells me he is

[Rasho_libre]

Swing games are way more clutch than elimination games.

Swing > Closeout > Elimination

A guy who drops big games to steal HCA, or put a team up 3-0/3-1 is having more of an impact than a guy who puts up big numbers when most series are pretty much already decided.

No it's not dont Kidd yourself, even in swing games you'll be surprised at the stats. The one thing I learned from this and everything else s there is simply not a stat out there that is nice to Kobe.

What importance do elimination games have over closeout or swing games? Serious question. Do MJ's game 6 closeout performances not have the same weight as....Lebron's g4 in 2007 against the Spurs?

What about Magic'a game 6 closeout game in 1980? Guys who actually have success in the playoffs are penalized because their closeout performances are overlooked. What about Lebron's game 6 swing game in 2012?

Dude you're pulling at straws here man. Lebron. Game 6, close outs, eliminations, game 7s are all nuts. Game 4 against spurs? Who cares he was 21-22 on a team with sasha Pavlovic and eric snow. Like the other dude said game 6 was a elimination game also. Swing games Jordan and lbj are one of the best in anyways. I don't get your point. Those are moment where the team is already expected to win after outplaying the other. In 2007 when the series was tied 2-2 on the road against a better team he had arguably the goat perfomance amongst modern players. I don't know if that's what you mean by a swing game

[Rasho_libre]

cant find the stats, but isnt Dirk undefeated at closeout games

I don't think so but he is one of the best post Jordan era if not the best in them.

[An Unbiased Fan]

No it's not dont Kidd yourself, even in swing games you'll be surprised at the stats. The one thing I learned from this and everything else s there is simply not a stat out there that is nice to Kobe.

What importance do elimination games have over closeout or swing games? Serious question. Do MJ's game 6 closeout performances not have the same weight as....Lebron's g4 in 2007 against the Spurs?

What about Magic'a game 6 closeout game in 1980? Guys who actually have success in the playoffs are penalized because their closeout performances are overlooked. What about Lebron's game 6 swing game in 2012?

Dude you're pulling at straws here man. Lebron. Game 6, close outs, eliminations, game 7s are all nuts. Game 4 against spurs? Who cares he was 21-22 on a team with sasha Pavlovic and eric snow. Like the other dude said game 6 was a elimination game also. Swing games Jordan and lbj are one of the best in anyways. I don't get your point. Those are moment where the team is already expected to win after outplaying the other. In 2007 when the series was tied 2-2 on the road against a better team he had arguably the goat perfomance amongst modern players. I don't know if that's what you mean by a swing game

I'm not sure what you're arguing about then. You basically echoed my sentiments about how g4 of 2007 doens't hold the same weight, as Lebron's performance at 2-2 in 2007(a swing game).

[Rasho_libre]

What importance do elimination games have over closeout or swing games? Serious question. Do MJ's game 6 closeout performances not have the same weight as....Lebron's g4 in 2007 against the Spurs?

What about Magic'a game 6 closeout game in 1980? Guys who actually have success in the playoffs are penalized because their closeout performances are overlooked. What about Lebron's game 6 swing game in 2012?

Dude you're pulling at straws here man. Lebron. Game 6, close outs, eliminations, game 7s are all nuts. Game 4 against spurs? Who cares he was 21-22 on a team with sasha Pavlovic and eric snow. Like the other dude said game 6 was a elimination game also. Swing games Jordan and lbj are one of the best in anyways. I don't get your point. Those are moment where the team is already expected to win after outplaying the other. In 2007 when the series was tied 2-2 on the road against a better team he had arguably the goat perfomance amongst modern players. I don't know if that's what you mean by a swing game

I'm not sure what you're arguing about then. You basically echoed my sentiments about how g4 of 2007 doens't hold the same weight, as Lebron's performance at 2-2 in 2007(a swing game).

Does it hold the same weight? By game 4 we knew cavs were no match for the spurs. It's like saying why the hell didnt the lakers beat the spurs in round 1 this year. And game 4 was not a horrible game for a guy in his second playoffs at 21-22 years old. Game 5 was a legacy game for a guy early in his career similar to mjs 63 point game. Maybe I'm just not understanding what you're arguing. To put it bluntly game 5 in a series tied 2-2 is far mor valuable than game 4 in a series down 0-3 against a far better team.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Does it hold the same weight? By game 4 we knew cavs were no match for the spurs. It's like saying why the hell didnt the lakers beat the spurs in round 1 this year. And game 4 was not a horrible game for a guy in his second playoffs at 21-22 years old. Game 5 was a legacy game for a guy early in his career similar to mjs 63 point game. Maybe I'm just not understanding what you're arguing. To put it bluntly game 5 in a series tied 2-2 is far mor valuable than game 4 in a series down 0-3 against a far better team.

I never said it was a horrible g4, and I'm not sure why you think I'm criticizing Lebron. I have only said that elimination games are not as important as closeout/swing games.

[Effigy]

07 G6 vs GS- 8 PTS, 10 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 2/13 FG, 0/6 3PT, 4/4 FT L


Oh god. That was Dirk's MVP year too...

[aal04]

These are full game stats.

Lettuce beef reality, clutch is the last few plays.

[HotRocks34]

If I didn't know any better, my guess would be that the OP is a LeBron/Heat fan who stealthily created a thread about the subject of elimination game stats and kind of threw the scent off the trail (sort of buried the lede) by mentioning Jordan and Kobe in the title, whereas the numbers end up heavily pumping-up LeBron (as well as a few others).

[Kilroy]

Impressive numbers for Karl Malone.

And yet, no real post season success... And to be fair, Malone always tightened up in the post season, it was Stockton who always seemed to show up for the big games and helped boost Malone's... His numbers reflect that I think,

[nolunch]

Still no shaq stats.... Pleaseeeee post them.

[HotRocks34]

Impressive numbers for Karl Malone.

And yet, no real post season success... And to be fair, Malone always tightened up in the post season, it was Stockton who always seemed to show up for the big games and helped boost Malone's... His numbers reflect that I think,

You mean like this?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47KLxKD3is0[/youtube]

The anger that Stockton's shot brought to me was beyond words. Not only was Houston not going to The Finals, Hakeem would never have a chance to go up against Jordan in The Finals, as well.

I hated Stockton then. But he was one heck of a player. Much too overlooked, in my opinion.

[Kilroy]

Yeah, next to Bird, I always thought Stockton was the most cold blooded shooter of that era.

[qm22]

TMac has great stats but a terrible team record.

Swing games are way more clutch than elimination games.

Swing > Closeout > Elimination

A guy who drops big games to steal HCA, or put a team up 3-0/3-1 is having more of an impact than a guy who puts up big numbers when most series are pretty much already decided.

No it's not dont Kidd yourself, even in swing games you'll be surprised at the stats. The one thing I learned from this and everything else s there is simply not a stat out there that is nice to Kobe.

Why did you bring up Kobe because he mentioned swing games? Is he a Kobe fan (and thinks no one will look bother posting swing games)?

And Kobe was the leader in steals and FGA in close out games.