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are you ok with Jennings taking most shots per game? 

Post#1 » by nurseryc » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:36 pm

Jennings is noted as consistently leading teams in most shots per game each season. Are you guys ok with Jennings taking the most shots per game on the Pistons which is a given based on his career thus far? How will this affect Monroe and Drummond not seeing the ball as much?
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Post#2 » by fekz » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:41 pm

nurseryc wrote:Jennings is noted as consistently leading teams in most shots per game each season. Are you guys ok with Jennings taking the most shots per game on the Pistons which is a given based on his career thus far? How will this affect Monroe and Drummond not seeing the ball as much?



at 43% or higher? Yes 40% or whatever he shot last year? no way
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Post#3 » by nurseryc » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:49 pm

fekz wrote:
nurseryc wrote:Jennings is noted as consistently leading teams in most shots per game each season. Are you guys ok with Jennings taking the most shots per game on the Pistons which is a given based on his career thus far? How will this affect Monroe and Drummond not seeing the ball as much?



at 43% or higher? Yes 40% or whatever he shot last year? no way


In 4 years in the NBA Jennings has never on average averaged in the .400 range...? He has consistently averaged in the high .300 range? I'm confused with your statement of 43% or higher given he has never averaged anything close to this in a single season? Are you suggesting for Jennings to be successfully he has to do something he has never been able to do before?
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Post#4 » by Dirtgrain » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:51 pm

If his TSP is dramatically improved, then I'd be maybe okay with it, down the road. At the start of the season, no, I do not want him getting the most shots per game. I want to see how the offense works with Monroe as the number one option. That doesn't mean he shoots the most--just that he gets the ball in the post and does something with it. But I also want to see how the pick and roll looks--that could be our number one option if it works well.

I'm not sure what plays will be designed for Smith: back to the basket, face-up isolation, pick and roll (Smith as pick setter/roller), off-the-ball screens? How will he jibe with Jennings? Will they bicker over number of looks? I hope not.
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Post#5 » by Dirtgrain » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:51 pm

nurseryc wrote:In 4 years in the NBA Jennings has averaged in the high .300 range from the field. I'm confused with your statement of 43% or higher given he has never averaged anything close to this in a single season? Are you asking him to completely change or overhaul his entire game?


Yes.
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Post#6 » by zeebneeb » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:55 pm

nurseryc wrote:
fekz wrote:
nurseryc wrote:Jennings is noted as consistently leading teams in most shots per game each season. Are you guys ok with Jennings taking the most shots per game on the Pistons which is a given based on his career thus far? How will this affect Monroe and Drummond not seeing the ball as much?



at 43% or higher? Yes 40% or whatever he shot last year? no way


In 4 years in the NBA Jennings has averaged in the high .300 range from the field. I'm confused with your statement of 43% or higher given he has never averaged anything close to this in a single season? Are you asking him to completely change or overhaul his entire game?
Yes. Jennings will have a much easier time getting higher % shots here in Detroit then he did antler-land. The Pick and roll is a crucial part of a PG's game, and with more, and better options, his shooting % should be around the 42-50% mark.

If its not, that means he is taking stupid ass shots again.
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Post#7 » by nurseryc » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:00 pm

Dirtgrain wrote:If his TSP is dramatically improved, then I'd be maybe okay with it, down the road. At the start of the season, no, I do not want him getting the most shots per game. I want to see how the offense works with Monroe as the number one option. That doesn't mean he shoots the most--just that he gets the ball in the post and does something with it. But I also want to see how the pick and roll looks--that could be our number one option if it works well.

I'm not sure what plays will be designed for Smith: back to the basket, face-up isolation, pick and roll (Smith as pick setter/roller), off-the-ball screens? How will he jibe with Jennings? Will they bicker over number of looks? I hope not.


Jennings biggest weakness with the Bucks was his inability to run the pick and roll. Time and time again there would be a guy open near the basket or a pick and roll presenting itself with an easy two only for Jennings to shoot with a defender in his face or pass it to someone in an equally bad position as himself. There is an amazing youtube clip with an example of this. Anyone got this example?
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Post#8 » by fekz » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:02 pm

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nurseryc wrote:
fekz wrote:

at 43% or higher? Yes 40% or whatever he shot last year? no way


In 4 years in the NBA Jennings has averaged in the high .300 range from the field. I'm confused with your statement of 43% or higher given he has never averaged anything close to this in a single season? Are you asking him to completely change or overhaul his entire game?
Yes. Jennings will have a much easier time getting higher % shots here in Detroit then he did antler-land. The Pick and roll is a crucial part of a PG's game, and with more, and better options, his shooting % should be around the 42-50% mark.

If its not, that means he is taking stupid ass shots again.


pretty much this.
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Post#9 » by rmfc » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:06 pm

I am sure that Jennings won't be taking the most number of shots here. There is some good talent on offense in the starting lineup.

Jennings should and will be feeding more than shooting.
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Post#10 » by nurseryc » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:07 pm

fekz wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:
nurseryc wrote:
In 4 years in the NBA Jennings has averaged in the high .300 range from the field. I'm confused with your statement of 43% or higher given he has never averaged anything close to this in a single season? Are you asking him to completely change or overhaul his entire game?
Yes. Jennings will have a much easier time getting higher % shots here in Detroit then he did antler-land. The Pick and roll is a crucial part of a PG's game, and with more, and better options, his shooting % should be around the 42-50% mark.

If its not, that means he is taking stupid ass shots again.


pretty much this.



So you blame Jennings inability to hit field goals above the late .300 in his career on his teammates? His teammates are the reason thus far why only Detroit was the only team willing to trade for him in the nba?
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Post#11 » by princeofpalace » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:31 pm

The claim that Jennings never once averaged over 40% FG is false.

These are Brandon Jennings third year numbers: 19 points/5.5 assists/3.5 boards/1.5 steals on 42% FG, 81% FT and 33% from deep.

I think his FG will go up if he has the discipline to defer to his teammates instead of jacking up shots himself. I think that because he was surrounded by atrocious team mates in Milwaukee, he felt like he had to do all the scoring himself. This will be the most talented team that Jennings has ever been on so I am hoping that he will trust his teammates to score more.

This is what I want to see from Brandon next season: 17 points/7.5 assists/3.5 boards/1.5 steals on 42%FG, 81% FT and 35% from deep. His raw stats would be pretty much the same as last season but with higher efficiency. Im not high on Jennings as I think he is a chucker but I think Joe D, Cheeks, Billups will all be able to reign him in and having more capable teammates will certainly help.

Ideally, I want Jennings/Smith/Monroe to each average around 17-20 points.
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Post#12 » by nurseryc » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:43 pm

princeofpalace wrote:The claim that Jennings never once averaged over 40% FG is false.

These are Brandon Jennings third year numbers: 19 points/5.5 assists/3.5 boards/1.5 steals on 42% FG, 81% FT and 33% from deep.

I think his FG will go up if he has the discipline to defer to his teammates instead of jacking up shots himself. I think that because he was surrounded by atrocious team mates in Milwaukee, he felt like he had to do all the scoring himself. This will be the most talented team that Jennings has ever been on so I am hoping that he will trust his teammates to score more.

This is what I want to see from Brandon next season: 17 points/7.5 assists/3.5 boards/1.5 steals on 42%FG, 81% FT and 35% from deep. His raw stats would be pretty much the same as last season but with higher efficiency. Im not high on Jennings as I think he is a chucker but I think Joe D, Cheeks, Billups will all be able to reign him in and having more capable teammates will certainly help.

Ideally, I want Jennings/Smith/Monroe to each average around 17-20 points.


Again your suggesting he has the discipline to defer to his teammates instead of jacking up shots himself? This is something he has never once done in his career. Why would he feel like he had to do all the scoring himself in the bucks given he consistently took the most shots and hit at the lowest percentage by far? That in itself makes no sense whatsoever and is why he had no league trade value except for one team in the Pistons?
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Post#13 » by Dirtgrain » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:47 pm

nurseryc wrote:So you blame Jennings inability to hit field goals above the late .300 in his career on his teammates? His teammates are the reason thus far why only Detroit was the only team willing to trade for him in the nba?


Dude, we're hoping. We'll see when he hits the court.
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Post#14 » by Mr. Krabs » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:49 pm

nurseryc wrote:So you blame Jennings inability to hit field goals above the late .300 in his career on his teammates? His teammates are the reason thus far why only Detroit was the only team willing to trade for him in the nba?

So, you just created this thread to bash Jennings, eh?

Both Jennings and Ellis took an insane number of shots, with both around .400 FG%. Monta also had sub .300 3PT% which hurt his efficiency a lot.

The problem here is, the 3rd best offensive guy who has been involved considerably was Ersan (before Redick trade). He is kind of a stretch forward who can shoot from a lot of places on the court but an average finisher around the rim (52%). And then there is Sanders who also has a similar percentage around the rim (54%) with less shots taken.

Both Smith and Drummond are superior finishers around the rim (both at 65% there). What hurts Jennings' efficiency was scoring around the rim. He won't be used like that in Detroit.

I expect Smith taking the most shots, then Monroe and then Jennings. I think he will get a whole lot more open looks from the perimeter, spot up jumpers as Monroe and Smith are very good passers. He can run a decent pick and roll (even Bynum could do it easily, not counting Knight as he has never tried it) which is what you gotta do with bigs like Smith and Drummond.

I never liked Jennings in Milwaukee, but this is a unique chance for any small guard, a giant frontcourt which can dunk anything you lob above the rim. He will look better.
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Post#15 » by zeebneeb » Thu Aug 8, 2013 1:55 pm

This seems a lot like the other thread with Monroe, and that one guy who wouldn't have a conversation, just point pushing until the horse was ready for slaughter.

Yes, I do blame his teammates. Hows that for simple? Here the options are better. Even simpler. Bad shot=Billups in his face. even simpler.

He does not need to play hero ball here.

Better teammates=better shot selection.

Hopefully.
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Post#16 » by nurseryc » Thu Aug 8, 2013 2:47 pm

Jennings can be effective as a sixth man or bench player. He isn't a starting PG in the nba. Start Billups and use Jennings effectively off the bench and he will be a player able to be utilised in this league.
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Post#17 » by fekz » Thu Aug 8, 2013 2:54 pm

nurseryc wrote:Jennings can be effective as a sixth man or bench player. He isn't a starting PG in the nba. Start Billups and use Jennings effectively off the bench and he will be a player able to be utilised in this league.



if you say so man. Gotta love know it all posters who can predict the trajectory of a undeniably talented player in a new environment.
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Post#18 » by CaptainAwesome » Thu Aug 8, 2013 3:47 pm

nurseryc wrote:Jennings biggest weakness with the Bucks was his inability to run the pick and roll. Time and time again there would be a guy open near the basket or a pick and roll presenting itself with an easy two only for Jennings to shoot with a defender in his face or pass it to someone in an equally bad position as himself. There is an amazing youtube clip with an example of this. Anyone got this example?


Or how about an example from the closing moments of a Bucks vs Pistons game:

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Post#19 » by engelbert321 » Thu Aug 8, 2013 4:09 pm

How about we let him play a game with the Pistons before we judge him?
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Post#20 » by Clarity » Thu Aug 8, 2013 4:11 pm

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jennings needs to distribute the ball to our bigs, Monroe & Drummond dont need to see the ball less, they need to see it more. Everyone will get shots but we play inside out off our bigs.

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