NYdaily: Melo almost certainly will opt out, may join lakers

[Durins Baynes]

I said I had Kobe at 14 actually. But reasonable arguments exist for him being as low as 19. I notice on the last 2 realgm top 100 votes he was ranked 10 and 17, so that's smack in the middle. The fanbase with the most representation on those projects also seems to have been Laker fans.

Anyway, how can you possibly get a max guy in 2014, and keep Kobe, and still have max space left in 2015? The numbers for that just don't work.

[Kilroy]

You will somehow become a contender in 2 years... but you can't really explain the sorts of players you would acquire, or how they'd make you a contender... um, ok.

You're asking for facts out of a hypothetical question. More importantly it's a hypothetical question that has so many right answers as to be inane...

Rondo and Mark while resigning Pau and Kobe, would be a damned good core... Add to that Young and Johnson and a full MLE player and I'd say that's a potential championship team in 2 seasons.

Do I think that's what will happen? No. So what's the point?

[EArl]

I said I had Kobe at 14 actually. But reasonable arguments exist for him being as low as 19. I notice on the last 2 realgm top 100 votes he was ranked 10 and 17, so that's smack in the middle. The fanbase with the most representation on those projects also seems to have been Laker fans.

Anyway, how can you possibly get a max guy in 2014, and keep Kobe, and still have max space left in 2015? The numbers for that just don't work.

So you're basically retracting what is in your posting history?
I'm pretty sure you know that the majority of the people on the PC are Lakers haters..

[DEEP3CL]

This kid DB about to bring out the old beast in DEEP......

Dude is railing on how he thinks the Lakers CAN'T get anyone. Dude key word is "cap space". A lot of the FA of 2015 trying to leave now or will be traded this very season as their teams know damn well they won't be able to keep them. Look how the Bucks panicked with Jennings....and he was going to be a RFA. They didn't want to deal with it.

Aldridge is already trying to shake the spot up in Portland.

We get you're a hater and it's easy as hell to think you can forecast what the Laker future is. Fact is I've seen this team rebuilt over and over and over again. And absorb this dude....it will keep happening. Only blinded haters think it won't and that's because you don't understand the Lakers or NBA business all that well. Deal with it.

[Kilroy]

Anyway, how can you possibly get a max guy in 2014, and keep Kobe, and still have max space left in 2015? The numbers for that just don't work.

Oh come now... Now you're not even trying.

[DEEP3CL]

Anyway, how can you possibly get a max guy in 2014, and keep Kobe, and still have max space left in 2015? The numbers for that just don't work.

Oh come now... Now you're not even trying.

Oh yes the hell he is......he just can't grasp the concept of the CBA.

[dockingsched]

i sense a DEEP CBA lesson coming, gather 'round

[dAdo dA dEvil]

... the way i see it free agents in 2014 are realistically possible to sign with the Lakers as they are free agents and we have cap space ... i don't know why someone here doesn't see that Melo and Bron or any big name FA are realistically possible to end up in Lakers ... i repeat ... they are free agents and we have cap space ... we could make an offer and it's just up to them if they will sign here ...

[EArl]

i sense a DEEP CBA lesson coming, gather 'round

Bringing this one back.

[TyCobb]

i sense a DEEP CBA lesson coming, gather 'round

From left to right:

destro, minhee, riotsweetie, anklebreaker, earl, tycobb, dock

[Durins Baynes]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbnfGO1KJC8[/youtube]

I think this image is probably the more appropriate Simpsons reference from that episode, because it aptly applies to the Lakers current situation.
"And with that, a great cheer went up for the heroes of Los Angeles. They had managed to get rid of the cursed Dwight Howard, because he was haunted. Now let's all sit down and enjoy a nice glass of 2014"

Let's begin then:

Oh yes the hell he is......he just can't grasp the concept of the CBA.

I'm not sure what CBA you're thinking of. How do you guys have enough space to get a max guy in 2014, then still keep space for another max guy in 2015. How does that math work? It clearly doesn't, especially since Kobe's made it clear he's not taking a discount. Who is left on the team in such a scenario?

Aldridge is already trying to shake the spot up in Portland.

Yes, to go to Chicago. His situation will have been resolved by 2015. There is also no reason for a professional guy like Aldridge to take the huge discount he'd be taking, to come to LA at age 30. The guy is going about this in a professional way precisely because he wants his money, and wants to be traded to the right team.

So you're basically retracting what is in your posting history?

Um, no? I have Kobe ranked 14 all-time. I said that pretty clearly on the thread in question.

It's good to be able to assert that you'll always be good "just because" you're the Lakers, but at some point you've got to be able to explain how, in a plausible and realistic way. The new CBA is extremely unfriendly to the Lakers, and the primary way the Lakers managed to transition from the abysmal post Magic years, to the Shaq-Kobe years was because the CBA at the time was very different, and the NBA was very different. If the exact same circumstances from 1996 existed today (but under the current CBA's conditions), the Lakers would not be able to obtain Shaq and Kobe, because of all the variables that have changed in the NBA since then.

To elaborate on this; both Shaq and Kobe forced their way to LA. Shaq through free agency, and Kobe through the draft. In today's NBA the conditions are so different, neither ploy would work (and the incentives are not nearly as strong as they were under the older CBA's, especially pre-99). In Kobe's case it's less to do with the old CBA, and more to do with the fact HS players are now scouted properly and taken seriously, and teams would have drafted him irrespective of what he was saying.

I tend to think the Lakers should tank next season, then try for free agency the next few seasons, and gradually rebuild the team that way with young players. That will be successful, but it's not going to happen in 2 years.

[leeprettyp]

David Kahn is that you??????


btw your obviously trolling the Lakers board/threads... What are you trying to accomplish? None of us Lakers fans are even panicking. It will all work it self out. You talking about Kobe not taking a discount already proved your offbase.. Why the hell would Kobe even negotiate a contract situation when its a whole year from now that he and his agent Rob Pelinka have to worry about it? He'll lose leverage if he did. Kobe's alot smarter than you think sir. How about worrying about your team... Or do you even have 1?

[dAdo dA dEvil]

I tend to think the Lakers should tank next season, then try for free agency the next few seasons, and gradually rebuild the team that way with young players. That will be successful, but it's not going to happen in 2 years.

[/quote]

... i think ... why don't you just tank yourself and never comeback in 2 years ...

[laduane1]

Not for a max contract. Lakers need to use there money on many players, not just a younger ball hungry Kobe wanna be.

[ak7]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbnfGO1KJC8[/youtube]

I think this image is probably the more appropriate Simpsons reference from that episode, because it aptly applies to the Lakers current situation.
"And with that, a great cheer went up for the heroes of Los Angeles. They had managed to get rid of the cursed Dwight Howard, because he was haunted. Now let's all sit down and enjoy a nice glass of 2014"

Let's begin then:

Oh yes the hell he is......he just can't grasp the concept of the CBA.

I'm not sure what CBA you're thinking of. How do you guys have enough space to get a max guy in 2014, then still keep space for another max guy in 2015. How does that math work? It clearly doesn't, especially since Kobe's made it clear he's not taking a discount. Who is left on the team in such a scenario?

Aldridge is already trying to shake the spot up in Portland.

Yes, to go to Chicago. His situation will have been resolved by 2015. There is also no reason for a professional guy like Aldridge to take the huge discount he'd be taking, to come to LA at age 30. The guy is going about this in a professional way precisely because he wants his money, and wants to be traded to the right team.

So you're basically retracting what is in your posting history?

Um, no? I have Kobe ranked 14 all-time. I said that pretty clearly on the thread in question.

It's good to be able to assert that you'll always be good "just because" you're the Lakers, but at some point you've got to be able to explain how, in a plausible and realistic way. The new CBA is extremely unfriendly to the Lakers, and the primary way the Lakers managed to transition from the abysmal post Magic years, to the Shaq-Kobe years was because the CBA at the time was very different, and the NBA was very different. If the exact same circumstances from 1996 existed today (but under the current CBA's conditions), the Lakers would not be able to obtain Shaq and Kobe, because of all the variables that have changed in the NBA since then.

To elaborate on this; both Shaq and Kobe forced their way to LA. Shaq through free agency, and Kobe through the draft. In today's NBA the conditions are so different, neither ploy would work (and the incentives are not nearly as strong as they were under the older CBA's, especially pre-99). In Kobe's case it's less to do with the old CBA, and more to do with the fact HS players are now scouted properly and taken seriously, and teams would have drafted him irrespective of what he was saying.

I tend to think the Lakers should tank next season, then try for free agency the next few seasons, and gradually rebuild the team that way with young players. That will be successful, but it's not going to happen in 2 years.

You clearly don't understand the CBA. 2 days ago you were claiming Jeremy Lin had a 15 million cap hit. Why are you here trolling now, it's obvious you are clueless?

[redjays]

... DMC can ball but i think there's something negative in his attitude i don't like ...

Maybe playing in Sacramento can take a toll on a person haha. I just get excited thinking of DMC one day playing with a great superstar to help him win. Someone like a Chris Paul or Kevin Durant maybe even Pat Riley getting DMC traded to Miami for bosh or something so him bron and wade have an aggressive player down low

[Durins Baynes]

Jeremy Lin is an easy mistake to make. If you think I'm wrong about this though, show me the numbers and how it works. It clearly doesn't.