CHA/UTA/CLE/PHI

[TheOUTLAW]

Personally, I think that every decent team needs a player like Varejao, but then I wouldn't trade him for Young either. so our views appear to be diametrically opposed.

1. Sixers are tanking. Why should be try and be decent and float around .500 when we can get the #1?
2. Young is better than AV and doesn't miss half of every season.

If you said he was better because he didn't miss half the season you might have been correct. But when they are both on the floor, Varejao is the better player.

[HartfordWhalers]

Varejao is a hustle player that is already 30.

Normally that is a bad sign, but instead his PER has gone from 15.8 to 15.2 to 18.9 to 21.7, rebounding from 15.9 , 17.4, 20.8 and 23.2%, assist percentage from 6.1 to 7.4 to 9.7 to 15.4%

All massive jumps the last 3 seasons. If he can put together a full season at those numbers, he is an extremely valuable player. So, if healthy and playing at last season's career best rate, Varejao was definitely better.

On the other hand, his career averages and last full season stats would make Varejao -- while still good -- not nearly as valuable and then there is a legitimate debate as to if someone like Thad is better already.

Given Varejao's injury history and age, I think some regression to his mean would be expected. And probably some potential for missed games. Together, I wouldn't be surprised if someone expected Thad to produce more next year. But either way, AV would be a horrible fit for Philly tanking so that calculus can be skipped.

[eliasrapp98]

Thad is 24.

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24 right now right?

[eliasrapp98]

In what capacity?

Varejao averages nearly double the rebounds as Young in only 1.4 more minutes per game.
Varejao averages nearly double the assists as Young
Varejao gets to the line more often than Young and converts on his free throws at a much better rate (this negates Young's better FG%)

Young is a better scorer, but Varejao makes up for it by getting to the line and converting. Young can shoot more effectively from everywhere on the court than Varejao other than 16-23 feet (Varejao has the edge there), but they both score roughly the same amount of points and Varejao needs 1 less shot to do it.

Varejao's rebound rate is 23.2% and Young's is 12.0%.

Basically, Varejao's raw stats and advanced stats are superior across the board.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... %20Varejao

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... us%20Young

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2013

If you want to make an argument that Varejao hasn't been able to stay healthy, then that is completely fair. But if we're talking about which player is better than the other, it isn't even close.

Thad is 24.

Derrick Williams is 22. It doesn't make him better than Thad Young.

No, but if Williams put up slightly worse numbers than Thad, I'd rather have him cause he's younger. Factor in injuries, and I'd rather have Thad.

[mcfly1204]

Thad is 24.

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24 right now right?

Nope, Young's DOB is 6/21/1988.

[No Offense]

Thad is 24.

Derrick Williams is 22. It doesn't make him better than Thad Young.

No, but if Williams put up slightly worse numbers than Thad, I'd rather have him cause he's younger. Factor in injuries, and I'd rather have Thad.

Except we're not talking about slightly worse numbers. They're even at scoring and AV is on another level in every other area.

[BossHoggin]

Personally, I think that every decent team needs a player like Varejao, but then I wouldn't trade him for Young either. so our views appear to be diametrically opposed.

Sixers are bottom of the ladder

[HartfordWhalers]

Personally, I think that every decent team needs a player like Varejao, but then I wouldn't trade him for Young either. so our views appear to be diametrically opposed.

Sixers are bottom of the ladder

Sixers are not even allowed to touch the ladder.

[sixerswillrule]

Young>AV and we don't want a player like Andy AT ALL!

In what capacity?

Varejao averages nearly double the rebounds as Young in only 1.4 more minutes per game.
Varejao averages nearly double the assists as Young
Varejao's rebound rate is 23.2% and Young's is 12.0%.

Really? You're basing this all on an outlier 25 game sample size?

Yeah, he's still a much better rebounder and defender than Young and I would even say that 09-10 Varejao has the slight edge overall because of those advantages, but a big part of the problem is that he's played 1 season's worth of games in the 3 years since then.

[the_process]

Varejao is the better player when healthy. However, the Sixers do not want win now vets, they want young players and picks.

[No Offense]

Young>AV and we don't want a player like Andy AT ALL!

In what capacity?

Varejao averages nearly double the rebounds as Young in only 1.4 more minutes per game.
Varejao averages nearly double the assists as Young
Varejao's rebound rate is 23.2% and Young's is 12.0%.

Really? You're basing this all on an outlier 25 game sample size?

Yeah, he's still a much better rebounder and defender than Young and I would even say that 09-10 Varejao has the slight edge overall because of those advantages, but a big part of the problem is that he's played 1 season's worth of games in the 3 years since then.

Fine, then. In his last 81 games, Anderson Varejao averaged:

11.2 PPG
11.7 RPG
4.3 ORPG
7.5 DRPG
50.3% from the field
70.4% from the FT line
2.1 APG
1.2 SPG
0.9 BPG
18.4 PER
14.2 OR%
26.9 DR%
20.3% TR%

When is the last time Thad Young ever put up those numbers?

If you want to end the debate and say that the 76ers are tanking and have no use for the better player, I'm all ears.

[eliasrapp98]

In what capacity?

Varejao averages nearly double the rebounds as Young in only 1.4 more minutes per game.
Varejao averages nearly double the assists as Young
Varejao's rebound rate is 23.2% and Young's is 12.0%.

Really? You're basing this all on an outlier 25 game sample size?

Yeah, he's still a much better rebounder and defender than Young and I would even say that 09-10 Varejao has the slight edge overall because of those advantages, but a big part of the problem is that he's played 1 season's worth of games in the 3 years since then.

Fine, then. In his last 81 games, Anderson Varejao averaged:

11.2 PPG
11.7 RPG
4.3 ORPG
7.5 DRPG
50.3% from the field
70.4% from the FT line
2.1 APG
1.2 SPG
0.9 BPG
18.4 PER
14.2 OR%
26.9 DR%
20.3% TR%

When is the last time Thad Young ever put up those numbers?

If you want to end the debate and say that the 76ers are tanking and have no use for the better player, I'm all ears.

That plus the injuries make this a terrible trade for the Sixers.

[sixerswillrule]

In what capacity?

Varejao averages nearly double the rebounds as Young in only 1.4 more minutes per game.
Varejao averages nearly double the assists as Young
Varejao's rebound rate is 23.2% and Young's is 12.0%.

Really? You're basing this all on an outlier 25 game sample size?

Yeah, he's still a much better rebounder and defender than Young and I would even say that 09-10 Varejao has the slight edge overall because of those advantages, but a big part of the problem is that he's played 1 season's worth of games in the 3 years since then.

Fine, then. In his last 81 games, Anderson Varejao averaged:

11.2 PPG
11.7 RPG
4.3 ORPG
7.5 DRPG
50.3% from the field
70.4% from the FT line
2.1 APG
1.2 SPG
0.9 BPG
18.4 PER
14.2 OR%
26.9 DR%
20.3% TR%

When is the last time Thad Young ever put up those numbers?

That PER (an accumulation of all those numbers)? He's put that up for the past 200 plus games. His size and defense give Varejao the edge but there's not a huge gap.

[No Offense]

Really? You're basing this all on an outlier 25 game sample size?

Yeah, he's still a much better rebounder and defender than Young and I would even say that 09-10 Varejao has the slight edge overall because of those advantages, but a big part of the problem is that he's played 1 season's worth of games in the 3 years since then.

Fine, then. In his last 81 games, Anderson Varejao averaged:

11.2 PPG
11.7 RPG
4.3 ORPG
7.5 DRPG
50.3% from the field
70.4% from the FT line
2.1 APG
1.2 SPG
0.9 BPG
18.4 PER
14.2 OR%
26.9 DR%
20.3% TR%

When is the last time Thad Young ever put up those numbers?

If you want to end the debate and say that the 76ers are tanking and have no use for the better player, I'm all ears.

That plus the injuries make this a terrible trade for the Sixers.

That's not how you framed your argument earlier. You completely disregarded injury history and argued that Young is the better player in a vacuum.

[eliasrapp98]

Fine, then. In his last 81 games, Anderson Varejao averaged:

11.2 PPG
11.7 RPG
4.3 ORPG
7.5 DRPG
50.3% from the field
70.4% from the FT line
2.1 APG
1.2 SPG
0.9 BPG
18.4 PER
14.2 OR%
26.9 DR%
20.3% TR%

When is the last time Thad Young ever put up those numbers?

If you want to end the debate and say that the 76ers are tanking and have no use for the better player, I'm all ears.

That plus the injuries make this a terrible trade for the Sixers.

That's not how you framed your argument earlier. You completely disregarded injury history and argued that Young is the better player in a vacuum.

Nope. More VALUABLE. The Sixers value age. Why do we want a 31 year old over a 24 year old who put up kinda close numbers.

[No Offense]

That plus the injuries make this a terrible trade for the Sixers.

That's not how you framed your argument earlier. You completely disregarded injury history and argued that Young is the better player in a vacuum.

Nope. More VALUABLE. The Sixers value age. Why do we want a 31 year old over a 24 year old who put up kinda close numbers.

Because he didn't put up kinda close numbers?

[mcfly1204]

That plus the injuries make this a terrible trade for the Sixers.

That's not how you framed your argument earlier. You completely disregarded injury history and argued that Young is the better player in a vacuum.

Nope. More VALUABLE. The Sixers value age. Why do we want a 31 year old over a 24 year old who put up kinda close numbers.

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[eliasrapp98]

That's not how you framed your argument earlier. You completely disregarded injury history and argued that Young is the better player in a vacuum.

Nope. More VALUABLE. The Sixers value age. Why do we want a 31 year old over a 24 year old who put up kinda close numbers.

Because he didn't put up kinda close numbers?

It doesn't matter... We don't want a 31 year old. That's the thing, especially if you factor in injury issues.

[sixerswillrule]

Because he didn't put up kinda close numbers?

That PER (an accumulation of all those numbers)? He's put that up for the past 200 plus games.

[No Offense]

Because he didn't put up kinda close numbers?

That PER (an accumulation of all those numbers)? He's put that up for the past 200 plus games.

That's only one metric. The body of work says otherwise. Not to mention that Varejao's PER was 21.71 last year. He's been getting better with age.