Otto Porter

[payitforward]

http://wizardsxtra.com/2013/07/22/why-cant-otto-porter-be-the-next-paul-george-or-kawhi-leonard/

I don't get this piece at all. Allen says, in essence, that if Otto can be as good as George and/or Leonard, why then he can be as good as George and/or Leonard. Which tells me... what?

The first question would be why anyone should think Porter is a similar player either to Leonard or to George. What he did in college looks very different from Leonard -- who was a big-time rebounder but not much of a 3-point shooter. What he does as a pro ("what" -- not how well) is oddly different from what he did in college. No way to project a comparison to Otto, who was just about as good a college player but did it in an altogether different way.

George wasn't as good in college as Porter. But he was more of a 3-point shooter -- took about twice as many per 40 minutes.

So... how do we use either of them "as a blueprint" for Otto Porter?

[jangles86]

^^And who says he's not going to be better than both of them?

[closg00]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... kills-camp

[Dat2U]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/porter-backs-out-vegas-skills-camp

I honestly don't know what to read into that but so far, it's been a real shaky beginning. Was out of shape for mini-camp & summer league, was terrible during summer league and now this.

One thing I thought we wouldn't have to question about Porter is his work ethic & maturity.

[LyricalRico]

Interesting. The article doesn't say what Porter was doing instead, just that he didn't attend that particular camp. He could be working out elsewhere.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Interesting. The article doesn't say what Porter was doing instead, just that he didn't attend that particular camp. He could be working out elsewhere.

It's weird this guy J Michael wouldn't make the effort to ask Otto why he didn't attend, or ask Grunfeld. I'm sure there's some kind of explanation other than he just didn't feel like it.



"Meanwhile at Verizon Center, Trevor Booker and Kevin Seraphin have been training all week with Wizards assistant coach Don Newman while head coach Randy Wittman took a vacation."

It's nice to hear Seraphin and Booker putting in the extra work with Newman. It would be great to see the both of them step up their games this year.

[hands11]

Interesting. The article doesn't say what Porter was doing instead, just that he didn't attend that particular camp. He could be working out elsewhere.

It's weird this guy J Michael wouldn't make the effort to ask Otto why he didn't attend, or ask Grunfeld. I'm sure there's some kind of explanation other than he just didn't feel like it.



"Meanwhile at Verizon Center, Trevor Booker and Kevin Seraphin have been training all week with Wizards assistant coach Don Newman while head coach Randy Wittman took a vacation."

It's nice to hear Seraphin and Booker putting in the extra work with Newman. It would be great to see the both of them step up their games this year.

Well Randy better hurry back. Last two KS videos I saw were not impressive. He is working one on one against Booker and showed some pretty sloppy footwork and looked off balance. Not something I would have tweeted. Otherwise, I have been impressed with his off season.

Not sure what's going on with Otto but nothing really to worry about just yet. For me, expectations for him are pretty low this year. Won't be surprised at all if come week 3-4 he is playing in the DL.

Lots of reports about how GT didn't play an uptempo game so he is going to have a good pit of adjusting to do.

[AFM]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/porter-backs-out-vegas-skills-camp

I honestly don't know what to read into that but so far, it's been a real shaky beginning. Was out of shape for mini-camp & summer league, was terrible during summer league and now this.

One thing I thought we wouldn't have to question about Porter is his work ethic & maturity.

Perhaps he got a bad case of deja vu? Didn't want to return to Vegas where he looked like a scrub.
Dude is a bust IMO.

[truwizfan4evr]

Porter is a bust? You guys called Beal a bust i think everyone is over reacting just a bit. I will wait to season starts to make judgment calls on Porter.

[Dat2U]

While he's not off to a great start, I certainly wouldn't call him a bust either. My only problem with Porter was picking him with Noel still on the board. Outside of that, I still believe Porter should be a rock solid player for years to come.

[Nivek]

Porter isn't off to a start at all. Summer league means nothing.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Porter isn't off to a start at all. Summer league means nothing.

You'd better make sure you never, ever, even whisper something remotely close to this around Bo Outlaw, superstar.

[Knighthonor]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... xor-Injury

Otto Porter Sidelined With Hip Flexor Injury

[GhostsOfGil]

While he's not off to a great start, I certainly wouldn't call him a bust either. My only problem with Porter was picking him with Noel still on the board. Outside of that, I still believe Porter should be a rock solid player for years to come.

I remember being one of the few people furious that was passed on Noel. Apologies if I'm wrong Dat but I also remember a lot of posts from you telling people to stop complaining about the pick.

[montestewart]

While he's not off to a great start, I certainly wouldn't call him a bust either. My only problem with Porter was picking him with Noel still on the board. Outside of that, I still believe Porter should be a rock solid player for years to come.

I remember being one of the few people furious that was passed on Noel. Apologies if I'm wrong Dat but I also remember a lot of posts from you telling people to stop complaining about the pick.

Many here didn't like passing up on Noel for Porter, but 1) didn't hate Porter (who had the appearance of an all-around player with no apparent major weak spots), and 2) there were many questions regarding Noel's knee.

I don't know what information the Wizards were acting on (some here thought Phoenix passing on Noel was significant). To me, it depends on how much of the decision surrounded "Will he ever play?" vs. "How soon will he play?" If they passed more because Noel projected a long recovery, each Porter shortcoming in health and/or development will make that decision look worse, as will each Noel stride in health and development.

The choice of Porter over Noel could look horrible down the road, even if Porter turns out to be a decent NBA player (and I have no reason yet to think he won't be decent). Porter has no control over that, and I still look forward to seeing him develop into a solid SF for the Wizards.

[nuposse04]

I'm a fairly big Porter fan and supporter, but when we had the chance to draft Noel, I thought we really missed an opportunity there. I still think Porter has a higher ceiling than he may let on but I actually think Noel can be a more impactful player then Davis. That being said...if Noel really was medically red flagged...I understand being cautious...but if he didn't have degenerative knees or anything, it should have been a gamble this franchise, and the two in front of us, should have made.

[miller31time]

I'm a fairly big Porter fan and supporter, but when we had the chance to draft Noel, I thought we really missed an opportunity there. I still think Porter has a higher ceiling than he may let on but I actually think Noel can be a more impactful player then Davis. That being said...if Noel really was medically red flagged...I understand being cautious...but if he didn't have degenerative knees or anything, it should have been a gamble this franchise, and the two in front of us, should have made.

Agreed. I hope (and believe) Porter will pan out but was 100% behind drafting Noel with the understanding he didn't have a long-term medical issue.

And if our front office knew he was medically fine and still passed on him, shame on them.

[montestewart]

And if Noel really isn't hindered long term by medical issues, he may have the additional motivation of feeling like he has something to prove, having fallen from virtually unanimous #1 to #6 (with an Arenas-like chip on his shoulder). Being traded for an all-star PG might also provide motivation to prove he's worth it.

Hopefully, Porter just worries about his own development, rather than comparisons with what could have been.

[Knighthonor]

I'm a fairly big Porter fan and supporter, but when we had the chance to draft Noel, I thought we really missed an opportunity there. I still think Porter has a higher ceiling than he may let on but I actually think Noel can be a more impactful player then Davis. That being said...if Noel really was medically red flagged...I understand being cautious...but if he didn't have degenerative knees or anything, it should have been a gamble this franchise, and the two in front of us, should have made.

Agreed. I hope (and believe) Porter will pan out but was 100% behind drafting Noel with the understanding he didn't have a long-term medical issue.

And if our front office knew he was medically fine and still passed on him, shame on them.

did Noel look good this summer?

[hands11]

And if Noel really isn't hindered long term by medical issues, he may have the additional motivation of feeling like he has something to prove, having fallen from virtually unanimous #1 to #6 (with an Arenas-like chip on his shoulder). Being traded for an all-star PG might also provide motivation to prove he's worth it.

Hopefully, Porter just worries about his own development, rather than comparisons with what could have been.

Like debates about Walls class, we should now the answer to this question in about 4-5 years. And even then the debate will still probably rage on until there is a clear winner that separates themselves from the pack.

We should have a better idea of who was the best pick from Wall's class once more of them make it into the playoffs. Three more of them should get there this year. Wall, Kevin and Booker.