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Lets not go overboard here, TYoung>>Varejao when it comes to scoring. So "literally nothing" is both semantically and factually incorrect.

Even that isn't even completely fair to AV. This season, Varejao scored 14+ per on 53 TS%, Young scored 14+ on 54 TS%. Hardly enough difference to warrant two ">" marks.

Varejao averaged 14/14, 3.4apg, and was one of the better defensive bigs in the league last year. When both are healthy, Young barely holds a candle to that. The problem is that Varejao is rarely healthy. I think this evens out their value.

Last season's 25 game sample size is not an accurate portrayal of Varejao's career, however. Listen, I'm not debating when healthy Varejao is a better player... but if other dude is going to try and make out as if AV is LeBron or something then yeah, that's an issue, that's all

That's where you're wrong. We are debating whether or not Young is better than Varejao. In fact, the erason this debate even started up is because a 76ers fan wrote "Young > AV."

I said early on in the thread that if people want to argue that AV is injury-prone, then they'd have a good point. But that wasn't the way the argument was framed.

It was literally presented as Thaddeus Young being better than Anderson Varejao. Only after I shot that down did the direction of the debate turn to Andy being injury-prone.

[eliasrapp98]

If you would have framed your argument like that in the first place, I wouldn't have cared. But you said the following:



There's literally nothing about Young that is ">" than AV. I've done a sufficient enough job of proving that. Good day.

Lets not go overboard here, TYoung>>Varejao when it comes to scoring. So "literally nothing" is both semantically and factually incorrect.

Fine, Young is a better scorer than Varejao despite scoring the same amount of points on more shot attempts.

Look at the FG%. Thad- 53%, Andy- 47%

That's a huge difference. Also Andy only played 25 games and scored 4 more PPG than last season. That's clearly a fluke. He's over 30 so he didn't just suddenly get better. It was just a smaller sample size. Here's the truth, Thad is 6 years younger, a far better scorer, and is on a better contract. I'd rather have that than a more expensive, 31 year old, rebounding, PF.

[No Offense]

Lets not go overboard here, TYoung>>Varejao when it comes to scoring. So "literally nothing" is both semantically and factually incorrect.

Fine, Young is a better scorer than Varejao despite scoring the same amount of points on more shot attempts.

Look at the FG%. Thad- 53%, Andy- 47%

That's a huge difference. Also Andy only played 25 games and scored 4 more PPG than last season. That's clearly a fluke. He's over 30 so he didn't just suddenly get better. It was just a smaller sample size. Here's the truth, Thad is 6 years younger, a far better scorer, and is on a better contract. I'd rather have that than a more expensive, 31 year old, rebounding, PF.

Then explain to me how the "far better scorer" needed more shot attempts to score the same amount of points.

Andy DID get better in his late 20's.

[eliasrapp98]

Fine, Young is a better scorer than Varejao despite scoring the same amount of points on more shot attempts.

Look at the FG%. Thad- 53%, Andy- 47%

That's a huge difference. Also Andy only played 25 games and scored 4 more PPG than last season. That's clearly a fluke. He's over 30 so he didn't just suddenly get better. It was just a smaller sample size. Here's the truth, Thad is 6 years younger, a far better scorer, and is on a better contract. I'd rather have that than a more expensive, 31 year old, rebounding, PF.

Then explain to me how the "far better scorer" needed more shot attempts to score the same amount of points.

Andy DID get better in his late 20's.

He took 1 more shot attempt and made it more often as Thad is a much more efficient scorer... Also Andy was consistently an under 11 point scorer per year for his first 9 seasons so I doubt that he just suddenly got better this year. Only playing 25 games usually helps pad your stats if you were on a good run.

[No Offense]

Look at the FG%. Thad- 53%, Andy- 47%

That's a huge difference. Also Andy only played 25 games and scored 4 more PPG than last season. That's clearly a fluke. He's over 30 so he didn't just suddenly get better. It was just a smaller sample size. Here's the truth, Thad is 6 years younger, a far better scorer, and is on a better contract. I'd rather have that than a more expensive, 31 year old, rebounding, PF.

Then explain to me how the "far better scorer" needed more shot attempts to score the same amount of points.

Andy DID get better in his late 20's.

He took 1 more shot attempt and made it more often as Thad is a much more efficient scorer... Also Andy was consistently an under 11 point scorer per year for his first 9 seasons so I doubt that he just suddenly got better this year. Only playing 25 games usually helps pad your stats if you were on a good run.

What part of "he became an exponentially better player later on in his career" do you not understand?

[eliasrapp98]

Fine, Young is a better scorer than Varejao despite scoring the same amount of points on more shot attempts.

Look at the FG%. Thad- 53%, Andy- 47%

That's a huge difference. Also Andy only played 25 games and scored 4 more PPG than last season. That's clearly a fluke. He's over 30 so he didn't just suddenly get better. It was just a smaller sample size. Here's the truth, Thad is 6 years younger, a far better scorer, and is on a better contract. I'd rather have that than a more expensive, 31 year old, rebounding, PF.

Then explain to me how the "far better scorer" needed more shot attempts to score the same amount of points.

Andy DID get better in his late 20's.

And you say same points, but Thad scored 0.8 more PPG which makes a huge difference when you consider that he only took one more shot per game than Andy. You cherry pick the hell out of your stats which proves to me that your argument isn't good enough to stand on it's own...

[eliasrapp98]

Then explain to me how the "far better scorer" needed more shot attempts to score the same amount of points.

Andy DID get better in his late 20's.

He took 1 more shot attempt and made it more often as Thad is a much more efficient scorer... Also Andy was consistently an under 11 point scorer per year for his first 9 seasons so I doubt that he just suddenly got better this year. Only playing 25 games usually helps pad your stats if you were on a good run.

What part of "he became an exponentially better player later on in his career" do you not understand?

The part where he never played... He missed over 2/3s of last season. I can pick a random 25 game stretch of Thad where he scored 18 PPG and 9 RPG (I remember that stretch). If he got injured and just played 25 games at that level, there's no way you'd make the same argument for Thad...

[No Offense]

He took 1 more shot attempt and made it more often as Thad is a much more efficient scorer... Also Andy was consistently an under 11 point scorer per year for his first 9 seasons so I doubt that he just suddenly got better this year. Only playing 25 games usually helps pad your stats if you were on a good run.

What part of "he became an exponentially better player later on in his career" do you not understand?

The part where he never played... He missed over 2/3s of last season. I can pick a random 25 game stretch of Thad where he scored 18 PPG and 9 RPG (I remember that stretch). If he got injured and just played 25 games at that level, there's no way you'd make the same argument for Thad...

Once again, let's see that 25 game stretch where Young averaged 14, 13 and 3.

[No Offense]

Look at the FG%. Thad- 53%, Andy- 47%

That's a huge difference. Also Andy only played 25 games and scored 4 more PPG than last season. That's clearly a fluke. He's over 30 so he didn't just suddenly get better. It was just a smaller sample size. Here's the truth, Thad is 6 years younger, a far better scorer, and is on a better contract. I'd rather have that than a more expensive, 31 year old, rebounding, PF.

Then explain to me how the "far better scorer" needed more shot attempts to score the same amount of points.

Andy DID get better in his late 20's.

And you say same points, but Thad scored 0.8 more PPG which makes a huge difference when you consider that he only took one more shot per game than Andy. You cherry pick the hell out of your stats which proves to me that your argument isn't good enough to stand on it's own...

I'm supplying you with facts. You're telling me that Andy isn't going to be as good next year because, well, I don't know why you're saying that.

My argument is that Andy was the better player of the two. You're saying that's not true because he won't replicate the season that he had statistically.

In other words, your argument is that Young is better because Andy won't do what he did last year (which made him a better player than Young).

[eliasrapp98]

Then explain to me how the "far better scorer" needed more shot attempts to score the same amount of points.

Andy DID get better in his late 20's.

And you say same points, but Thad scored 0.8 more PPG which makes a huge difference when you consider that he only took one more shot per game than Andy. You cherry pick the hell out of your stats which proves to me that your argument isn't good enough to stand on it's own...

I'm supplying you with facts. You're telling me that Andy isn't going to be as good next year because, well, I don't know why you're saying that.

My argument is that Andy was the better player of the two. You're saying that's not true because he won't replicate the season that he had statistically.

In other words, your argument is that Young is better because Andy won't do what he did last year (which made him a better player than Young).

I am saying that. Usually players who are 32 and have chronic injury problems won't do that well the next year. Also that stretch of 25 games was one of the best of his life, but it was only 25 games... If it was even 50+ I'd agree with you, but 25 games is no sample size when talking about a 31 year old who exceeded all of his previous stats...

[No Offense]

Lets not go overboard here, TYoung>>Varejao when it comes to scoring. So "literally nothing" is both semantically and factually incorrect.

Fine, Young is a better scorer than Varejao despite scoring the same amount of points on more shot attempts.

Look at the FG%. Thad- 53%, Andy- 47%

That's a huge difference. Also Andy only played 25 games and scored 4 more PPG than last season. That's clearly a fluke. He's over 30 so he didn't just suddenly get better. It was just a smaller sample size. Here's the truth, Thad is 6 years younger, a far better scorer, and is on a better contract. I'd rather have that than a more expensive, 31 year old, rebounding, PF.

Varejao made $79,052 more than Young last year. Talk about cherry-picking stats.

[No Offense]

And you say same points, but Thad scored 0.8 more PPG which makes a huge difference when you consider that he only took one more shot per game than Andy. You cherry pick the hell out of your stats which proves to me that your argument isn't good enough to stand on it's own...

I'm supplying you with facts. You're telling me that Andy isn't going to be as good next year because, well, I don't know why you're saying that.

My argument is that Andy was the better player of the two. You're saying that's not true because he won't replicate the season that he had statistically.

In other words, your argument is that Young is better because Andy won't do what he did last year (which made him a better player than Young).

I am saying that. Usually players who are 32 and have chronic injury problems won't do that well the next year. Also that stretch of 25 games was one of the best of his life, but it was only 25 games... If it was even 50+ I'd agree with you, but 25 games is no sample size when talking about a 31 year old who exceeded all of his previous stats...

Once again, show me that 25 game stretch where Thad Young even came close to doing what Varejao did last year.

I keep asking you for that, but you consistently bring up hypothetical to me. I want to see this stretch, since you're so positive that it exists.

[TheOUTLAW]

You can pick a 25 game stretch where Thad averaged 18 and 9. Okay, go ahead. We'll wait

[No Offense]

You can pick a 25 game stretch where Thad averaged 18 and 9. Okay, go ahead. We'll wait

I can't wait to get a screenshot from 2K13 on this one.

[eliasrapp98]

I'm supplying you with facts. You're telling me that Andy isn't going to be as good next year because, well, I don't know why you're saying that.

My argument is that Andy was the better player of the two. You're saying that's not true because he won't replicate the season that he had statistically.

In other words, your argument is that Young is better because Andy won't do what he did last year (which made him a better player than Young).

I am saying that. Usually players who are 32 and have chronic injury problems won't do that well the next year. Also that stretch of 25 games was one of the best of his life, but it was only 25 games... If it was even 50+ I'd agree with you, but 25 games is no sample size when talking about a 31 year old who exceeded all of his previous stats...

Once again, show me that 25 game stretch where Thad Young even came close to doing what Varejao did last year.

I keep asking you for that, but you consistently bring up hypothetical to me. I want to see this stretch, since you're so positive that it exists.

I'm doing the numbers right now. Chill. It takes time. Also Thad makes a little less every year which adds up.

[No Offense]

I'm doing the numbers right now. Chill. It takes time. Also Thad makes a little less every year which adds up.

Do you realize how minuscule the difference is in their salaries?

And I'M the one accused of cherry-picking stats?

This is insane.

PS

Thaddeus Young makes an average of 8.6 million per year in his 5 year deal. Varejao averages 8 per year in his 6 year deal.

[eliasrapp98]

I'm doing the numbers right now. Chill. It takes time. Also Thad makes a little less every year which adds up.

Do you realize how minuscule the difference is in their salaries?

And I'M the one accused of cherry-picking stats?

This is insane.

PS

Thaddeus Young makes an average of 8.6 million per year in his 5 year deal. Varejao averages 8 per year in his 6 year deal.

Those years are over that he made less so who cares...

[TheOUTLAW]

I just think that Thad is more of a PF than he is a SF which means the Cavs have absolutely no need for him to begin with. The rest of this argument is superfluous. Not to mention the fact that he has 2 more years of salary.

[No Offense]

I'm doing the numbers right now. Chill. It takes time. Also Thad makes a little less every year which adds up.

Do you realize how minuscule the difference is in their salaries?

And I'M the one accused of cherry-picking stats?

This is insane.

PS

Thaddeus Young makes an average of 8.6 million per year in his 5 year deal. Varejao averages 8 per year in his 6 year deal.

Those years are over that he made less so who cares...

And I'm the cherry-picker because I mentioned that Varejao scores "about" the same amount of PPG as Young on less shot attempts.

I'm being yelled at because I was off by 0.8 PPG.

[eliasrapp98]

Do you realize how minuscule the difference is in their salaries?

And I'M the one accused of cherry-picking stats?

This is insane.

PS

Thaddeus Young makes an average of 8.6 million per year in his 5 year deal. Varejao averages 8 per year in his 6 year deal.

Those years are over that he made less so who cares...

And I'm the cherry-picker because I mentioned that Varejao scores "about" the same amount of PPG as Young on less shot attempts.

Yes because to you one less shot attempt is less shots and 1 more point is "about the same".