CHA/UTA/CLE/PHI

[No Offense]

I can't believe this thread is still alive, somebody just put it out of its misery. No one likes the original deal and its just a fan argument of my favorite under rated player is better than your favorite under rated player.

One side is actually providing data and making arguments and he other is trying to derail the conversation.

And there you go again. If you're gonna backseat mod, I'm gonna backseat mod, I think you're derailing by avoiding my point and instead making 2 worthless posts about me "derailing" the argument when you're the one who won't respond to my post which just states that you're using ancient data to prove a point...

Where's that 25 game stretch that Young had that was as good as Andy's? You promised.

[eliasrapp98]

Why don't you actually reply to my post and add something to it instead of trying to derail the conversation?

What are you a mod? Derailing? I'm pointing out that you're quoting stats from a time so long ago that Rose, Love, and Westbrook were in college. Redd was averaging 22 PPG, Iverson was still a great player, Shaq had just won a championship with the Heat, etc. Thad was a rookie when this scenario on the Cavs played out. Hell, Lebron was on the Cavs then...

Right. And without Varejao, they were 10-12.

Next.

In 2007!!!! In 2007 Michael Redd was a top scorer, therefore proving that he now is still a great player...

[No Offense]

What are you a mod? Derailing? I'm pointing out that you're quoting stats from a time so long ago that Rose, Love, and Westbrook were in college. Redd was averaging 22 PPG, Iverson was still a great player, Shaq had just won a championship with the Heat, etc. Thad was a rookie when this scenario on the Cavs played out. Hell, Lebron was on the Cavs then...

Right. And without Varejao, they were 10-12.

Next.

In 2007!!!! In 2007 Michael Redd was a top scorer, therefore proving that he now is still a great player...

Being that we've established that he's become a better player later in his career, this seems irrelevant.

[eliasrapp98]

One side is actually providing data and making arguments and he other is trying to derail the conversation.

And there you go again. If you're gonna backseat mod, I'm gonna backseat mod, I think you're derailing by avoiding my point and instead making 2 worthless posts about me "derailing" the argument when you're the one who won't respond to my post which just states that you're using ancient data to prove a point...

Where's that 25 game stretch that Young had that was as good as Andy's? You promised.

Ill post it when I have time. It takes time averaging out stats. I also said 17 and 8 if I recall, not Andy's stats exactly. However 17-8 is just as impressive IMO.

[eliasrapp98]

Right. And without Varejao, they were 10-12.

Next.

In 2007!!!! In 2007 Michael Redd was a top scorer, therefore proving that he now is still a great player...

Being that we've established that he's become a better player later in his career, this seems irrelevant.

It is relevant. You can't just quote stats from 2007 when the entire team was different including having Lebron. Most likely the bad streak was caused by a tough part of the schedule.

[No Offense]

And there you go again. If you're gonna backseat mod, I'm gonna backseat mod, I think you're derailing by avoiding my point and instead making 2 worthless posts about me "derailing" the argument when you're the one who won't respond to my post which just states that you're using ancient data to prove a point...

Where's that 25 game stretch that Young had that was as good as Andy's? You promised.

Ill post it when I have time. It takes time averaging out stats. I also said 17 and 8 if I recall, not Andy's stats exactly. However 17-8 is just as impressive IMO.

Cool. I look forward to you finding a 25 game that is not as impressive as AV's I'm order to prove your point that Young>>AV.

[eliasrapp98]

Where's that 25 game stretch that Young had that was as good as Andy's? You promised.

Ill post it when I have time. It takes time averaging out stats. I also said 17 and 8 if I recall, not Andy's stats exactly. However 17-8 is just as impressive IMO.

Cool. I look forward to you finding a 25 game that is not as impressive as AV's I'm order to prove your point that Young>>AV.

Value wise.

[No Offense]

In 2007!!!! In 2007 Michael Redd was a top scorer, therefore proving that he now is still a great player...

Being that we've established that he's become a better player later in his career, this seems irrelevant.

It is relevant. You can't just quote stats from 2007 when the entire team was different including having Lebron. Most likely the bad streak was caused by a tough part of the schedule.

Most likely? Show me some evidence.

[eliasrapp98]

Being that we've established that he's become a better player later in his career, this seems irrelevant.

It is relevant. You can't just quote stats from 2007 when the entire team was different including having Lebron. Most likely the bad streak was caused by a tough part of the schedule.

Most likely? Show me some evidence.

I don't know when this happened. Post the games that he was in and out for and I bet the schedule was harder for the latter.

[the_process]

Just to stoke the fires, Sixers fans will never let this die.

It cuts both ways

It totally worked too. Note the next 22 posts. I know, I know, no instigating. I will take my leave and go sniveling back to the Sixer fantasy trade thread. LMAO

[tornicade]

Anderson Varejao is a Brazilian God who appears out of nowhere and helps stranded brazilians get home.

I am not sure what relevance the Cavs winning percentage for the first 30 games to the last 50 has to do with AV.

You had 2 rookies and 2 sophomores getting major minutes with little to no bench support. A young team like the Cavs were going to improve as the season developed,regardless, Plus the entire bench was upgraded mid season as someone already mentioned.

Before Anderson got hurt the Cavs were one of the top pick and roll teams with Irving and Anderson. not so much after his injury. The defense also stalled and went into reverse as the season progressed.

There were games AV took over and single handily kept the Cavs in the game to give them an opportunity to win. I myself never thought I would see that but there it was.

Thadeus Young is a prospect running out of time. Anderson Varejao is a proven quality NBA player that can play with the best of them.

AV doesnt need plays set for him
AV can always be found around the ball.
AV is a superior , even elite team defender capable of blocking out true bigs not named Dwight Howard and wreaking havoc on a stretch 4.

Cavs will enter this upcoming season bit more seasoned and looking more like an NBA team. AV will be there making an impact and closing out games.
not sure one can be so confident about Young.

Another edit: Cavs arent trading Varejao for anyone who isnt an all star quality player. Chris Grant has made this clear numerous times. In addition Philly is rebuilding AV has no place on a team that is set on tanking. He might of done it for Cleveland but he isnt doing it anywhere else.

[TheOUTLAW]

And there you go again. If you're gonna backseat mod, I'm gonna backseat mod, I think you're derailing by avoiding my point and instead making 2 worthless posts about me "derailing" the argument when you're the one who won't respond to my post which just states that you're using ancient data to prove a point...

Where's that 25 game stretch that Young had that was as good as Andy's? You promised.

Ill post it when I have time. It takes time averaging out stats. I also said 17 and 8 if I recall, not Andy's stats exactly. However 17-8 is just as impressive IMO.

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17-8 is equal to 14-14? That does explain a lot.

Well no wonder

[No Offense]

Where's that 25 game stretch that Young had that was as good as Andy's? You promised.

Ill post it when I have time. It takes time averaging out stats. I also said 17 and 8 if I recall, not Andy's stats exactly. However 17-8 is just as impressive IMO.

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17-8 is equal to 14-14? That does explain a lot.

Well no wonder

He makes it too easy.

[No Offense]

It is relevant. You can't just quote stats from 2007 when the entire team was different including having Lebron. Most likely the bad streak was caused by a tough part of the schedule.

Most likely? Show me some evidence.

I don't know when this happened. Post the games that he was in and out for and I bet the schedule was harder for the latter.

No. The onus is on you to prove me wrong. I did my research to support my argument.

Me: "Varejao tremendously helped the Cavs win. Look at these stats."

You: "The schedule was PROBABLY easier after he came back."

Notice how you used my argument that I used with Hartfordwhalers, but didn't actually prove that it happened?

You're going to have to step your game up.

[eliasrapp98]

Most likely? Show me some evidence.

I don't know when this happened. Post the games that he was in and out for and I bet the schedule was harder for the latter.

No. The onus is on you to prove me wrong. I did my research to support my argument.

Me: "Varejao tremendously helped the Cavs win. Look at these stats."

You: "The schedule was PROBABLY easier after he came back."

Notice how you used my argument that I used with Hartfordwhalers, but didn't actually prove that it happened?

You're going to have to step your game up.

Me? Step my game up? You're the one using stats from 2007.

[HartfordWhalers]

Most likely? Show me some evidence.

I don't know when this happened. Post the games that he was in and out for and I bet the schedule was harder for the latter.

No. The onus is on you to prove me wrong. I did my research to support my argument.

Me: "Varejao tremendously helped the Cavs win. Look at these stats."

You: "The schedule was PROBABLY easier after he came back."

Notice how you used my argument that I used with Hartfordwhalers, but didn't actually prove that it happened?

You're going to have to step your game up.

To be fair, you actually supported my argument that blindly looking at if a team wins is one of the dumber ways to gauge if a single player contributes to winning.

I mean, it was funny watching you do it by being sarcastic about a season 5 years ago, but I appreciate the reinforcement that something like the quality of a team's bench might effect its winning percentage.

[No Offense]

I don't know when this happened. Post the games that he was in and out for and I bet the schedule was harder for the latter.

No. The onus is on you to prove me wrong. I did my research to support my argument.

Me: "Varejao tremendously helped the Cavs win. Look at these stats."

You: "The schedule was PROBABLY easier after he came back."

Notice how you used my argument that I used with Hartfordwhalers, but didn't actually prove that it happened?

You're going to have to step your game up.

Me? Step my game up? You're the one using stats from 2007.

Now you have two homework assignments:

1. Show me one stretch where Thad Young had a 25 game stretch as good as Varejaos (14, 14 and 3)
2. Show me how the schedule got easier for the Cavs after Varejao returned in 2007.

I'll be waiting.

[eliasrapp98]

No. The onus is on you to prove me wrong. I did my research to support my argument.

Me: "Varejao tremendously helped the Cavs win. Look at these stats."

You: "The schedule was PROBABLY easier after he came back."

Notice how you used my argument that I used with Hartfordwhalers, but didn't actually prove that it happened?

You're going to have to step your game up.

Me? Step my game up? You're the one using stats from 2007.

Now you have two homework assignments:

1. Show me one stretch where Thad Young had a 25 game stretch as good as Varejaos (14, 14 and 3)
2. Show me how the schedule got easier for the Cavs after Varejao returned in 2007.

I'll be waiting.

Not near computer until around 230 today. Ill work on it then.

[No Offense]

I don't know when this happened. Post the games that he was in and out for and I bet the schedule was harder for the latter.

No. The onus is on you to prove me wrong. I did my research to support my argument.

Me: "Varejao tremendously helped the Cavs win. Look at these stats."

You: "The schedule was PROBABLY easier after he came back."

Notice how you used my argument that I used with Hartfordwhalers, but didn't actually prove that it happened?

You're going to have to step your game up.

To be fair, you actually supported my argument that blindly looking at if a team wins is one of the dumber ways to gauge if a single player contributes to winning.

I mean, it was funny watching you do it by being sarcastic about a season 5 years ago, but I appreciate the reinforcement that something like the quality of a team's bench might effect its winning percentage.

You mentioned that in 2012-2013, the Cavs won 20% of their games with Varejao and won 33% of them without him.

You're ignoring these facts:

The Cavs started the season with 11 of their first 16 games on the road.
Ten of those games were against playoff teams from the 2012 season.
Their longest road trip of the year happened during the stretch with Varejao.
The longest homestand happened without Varejao.

Why does it matter that I brought up win percentage stats from 2007? Are we not clear that Varejao has improved? He's a better player than he was 5 years ago. This seems relevant.

The thing about Varejao is that he was always a player who had a big impact on the game without putting up big numbers. He's now putting up big numbers and still being the ultimate glue guy.

I am 100% confident that none of you guys would be trashing the guy's game if he played on your team.

It's amazing how Eliasraps89 criticizes Varejao's defense and I'm the one being attacked by a mod for simply bringing up factual information about Varejao.

[No Offense]

Me? Step my game up? You're the one using stats from 2007.

Now you have two homework assignments:

1. Show me one stretch where Thad Young had a 25 game stretch as good as Varejaos (14, 14 and 3)
2. Show me how the schedule got easier for the Cavs after Varejao returned in 2007.

I'll be waiting.

Not near computer until around 230 today. Ill work on it then.

I'm sure you will.