Casey: Ross has the most upside on the team

[GreatWhiteStiff]

the amount of hate on this board is amazing.

What he said is true. Ross DOES have the most upside on our team. He has to grow the MOST out of any player on our team, but is far and away our most spectacular player. Everyone knows it, but because of a bad season and stupid expectations that were placed on him people are quick to dismiss him.

He has crazy hops, good hands, a nice stroke, and is quick - all the makings of an offensively brilliant player. But has proved NOTHING yet. hence why he has the most potential.

LOL man, ross does not have all the makings of a brilliant offensive player. Just think about what you just said. I repeat ross does not have all the makings of a brilliant offensive player.

[BIG match]

seems to me like he says these things about players that he thinks are underachieving to light a fire under them. The realgm board is full of morons that believe an NBA coach is that stupid and unaware while being on the highest level of professional sports.

IMO Caseys too much of a nice guys and he says things in a way to try not to get under a players skin...that might work for some players (Bargs and Jose) but I think most guys are used to tough love

[Inevitable]

Lets be honest Ross isn't the mentally toughest guy. I think Casey said the right thing with the statement. It gives confidence but at the same time signals to Ross he has some work to do.

[Bucket Getter]

You guys are misinterpreting what he said, "upside" is the new slang for vertical jump

[goodjoey]

the amount of hate on this board is amazing.

What he said is true. Ross DOES have the most upside on our team. He has to grow the MOST out of any player on our team, but is far and away our most spectacular player. Everyone knows it, but because of a bad season and stupid expectations that were placed on him people are quick to dismiss him.

He has crazy hops, good hands, a nice stroke, and is quick - all the makings of an offensively brilliant player. But has proved NOTHING yet. hence why he has the most potential.

LOL man, ross does not have all the makings of a brilliant offensive player. Just think about what you just said. I repeat ross does not have all the makings of a brilliant offensive player.

1. just because you say it twice doesn't make what i said not true.
2. thats not what i said. there is a difference between "brilliant offensive player" and "offensively brilliant player", i meant he has the potential to be very creative with his tools, not that he is a tremendously gifted player now.
3. we are all debating over 1 word - "upside" - and thats pointless. its a subjective term, and everyone has their own opinion. again, everyone has their own opinion.

[Waylon Mercy]

I don't have a problem with Casey trying to pump T-Ross tires but man you don't say crazy
stuff like that because you set the expectations of the fans way to high which then leads
to a lot of pressure on a guy who probably can't handle it.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

thats not what i said. there is a difference between "brilliant offensive player" and "offensively brilliant player"

Oh, well my mistake then.

[carl_english]

In otherwords, hit the bench Turrence!

[timdunkit]

Casey is an idiot.

[Mikistan]

Wow I cannot believe this board.

To say Ross does not have the capabilties to be a brilliant offensive player is just obnoxious. The guy can shoot and has a nice stroke (albeit he fades a lot) and we've seen it in games.

He can dunk - we've seen that. He can run the break; he's outstanding at it. He even makes some great passes in traffic at times.

He hasn't put it all together but I'll be damned if I didn't see flashes of something bright last season.

[jonny three time]

He does have a high upside, but the problem with Casey believing it's so high is that they'll screw up his development by trying to turn him into a star player before he's even an effective role player. They did the same crap with DD and Bargs and look what they became.

When you have a player who could go either way, you develop him into a role that will get him positive minutes and give him confidence. In Ross' cases this is a 3+D player. This is what the Spurs would do if he were on their team. The Raptors however, send him to summer league to work on his ball-handling and creating, then tell him to work on his over-all game over the summer.

You just know that Ross' 3-ball is going to be as streaky as it was last year and he's going to keep making the same mistakes on D that he made last year (letting guys past him to try to get blocks from behind, fouling shooters, not angling guys the right way). Why will he make these mistakes? Because he didn't try to address them anymore than he tried to address his over-all game.

This will be blamed on him, but it should be blamed on the coaches and GM for not formulating a proper development plan that focuses on 1 or 2 different elements every summer (rather than a bit of everything every summer). We do the same crap every time a young player shows up here with any sort of potential, try to turn them into a star player who can do everything, when they just end up being a guy who's not really effective at any type of role at all.

[Volcano]

Wow I cannot believe this board.

To say Ross does not have the capabilties to be a brilliant offensive player is just obnoxious. The guy can shoot and has a nice stroke (albeit he fades a lot) and we've seen it in games.

He can dunk - we've seen that. He can run the break; he's outstanding at it. He even makes some great passes in traffic at times.

He hasn't put it all together but I'll be damned if I didn't see flashes of something bright last season.

shiiiett..he can sometimes make shots AND he can dunk AND he can run?? If he can do all those things at once, then it's all over!!!

[SaveTheHens]

This board is ridiculous with mass group thought sometimes. Some people don't like Ross' stats or his defensive mishaps in a few games, and all of a sudden the whole board thinks that Casey saying Ross having the most upside is the craziest thing in the world. I get that we all love Val, but Ross has a ton of upside to him too.

Ross is a naturally gifted player. He's got more than just athleticism in his game. His moves are very fluid & watching him play when he's tuned in is a pleasure. Yeah he's had some bad games last season & he's 1 year younger than DD so we all assume he's past improvement. But different players develop at different rates, I think if he can pull it all together and get used to the flow of a game a lot of haters will change their views

[junot111]

HUH? In what world does dunking ability and shooting stroke entail the capability of being a great offensive player? Basketball is not played against pylons... those things mean nothing in a game versus an NBA defense. What facilitates a good offensive player is:
-ball handling
-offensive awareness
-court vision/passing
-slashing/breaking down the defense
-ability to create your own shot

how many of these attributes does Ross possess?

Need I remind you that he averaged 6.4 points on 41% and 33% shooting? He was a rookie.. but he's also 22 years old...

[dballislife]

right now ross can literally just shoot the 3 and jumpers at a decent rate and from it down...but to be a star u also need to finish at the rim, have handles to get there, pass well, get to the foul line, have a mid range game, have a post game, and to top it off ross seems to be so passive, soft spoken and quiet, doesn't have the mental makeup that stars seem to have.....all this doesn't add up to a star to me.....imo ross ceiling is at 15-18ppg, who can hit the 3, from down nasty dunks, finish on break, do alil bit of everything else, and play solid defense...which is a very good player, but ppl hear want superstars or nothing

[Volcano]

I would be ecstatic if he can turn into a poor man's JRich...but look at all the other young prospects out there. Ross is nothing special...at all...and is just as likely to turn out to be an athletic Jodie Meeks.

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter what Casey says anyways. He's likely trying to give Ross a confidence boost.

[Bruteque]

I get the feeling that Casey knows that this is the last year he will ever coach an NBA team and the only reason he even has a job this year is because he is so bad and everybody knows he's so bad, he is Ujiri's genius trick to tank this year without tanking his players' values: Casey's lunacy is to blame for the avalanche of losses.

As part of the deal, though, Casey is required to say really dumb things throughout the season to maintain the lunatic reputation required of him for TOR to tank without tanking its players' values.

[blocked]

Lol, that's another one of those "frame negative as a positive" things. Translation: Ross sucks the most in the team. You can only go so far improving a scrub with messed up shot. That said, they should trade Val for somebody like Ross- I suspect they could get 2 players like that for Val. Then, build their team around all three of them. /End of purple font.

[RapsFanInVA]

Been gone all summer, but it's nice to see the negativity on this board hasn't changed a lick. I still believe in Ross, mostly because it's really stupid to write off a player after his rookie season. I saw flashes of brilliance last season, surrounded by a LOT of ugliness. It's difficult to tease apart how much of that was "being a rookie" vs inherent, irreparable flaws.

[Patman]

Terrence Ross will be NBA-ready, come hell or high water.

- Dwane Casey