Bellator General Discussion and Info

REDDzone · Post #621 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:45 pm

IDK if its been posted yet, thought I saw it somewhere, but can't find it...

But Doug Marshall injured, so Brett Cooper gets a title shot now. NOW imo Cammo this would be a better time to complain about bellator, as opposed to Chandler/Alvarez. Like a week after saying bellator is a REAL sports competition and all this, and passive aggressively mentioning Chael losing fights and then getting shots...they give a guy a shot coming off a knockout.

LOL @ Bjork. Great timing on that one.

The funny part is, it probably is the fight that makes the most sense. But the timing makes them look silly.

Cammo101 · Post #622 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:21 pm

REDDzone wrote:IDK if its been posted yet, thought I saw it somewhere, but can't find it...

But Doug Marshall injured, so Brett Cooper gets a title shot now. NOW imo Cammo this would be a better time to complain about bellator, as opposed to Chandler/Alvarez. Like a week after saying bellator is a REAL sports competition and all this, and passive aggressively mentioning Chael losing fights and then getting shots...they give a guy a shot coming off a knockout.

LOL @ Bjork. Great timing on that one.

The funny part is, it probably is the fight that makes the most sense. But the timing makes them look silly.

At least in this situation they tried to give the fight to the correct guy and he got hurt, so I give them some slack here. That said, the real problem is that your second best option for a title fight is Brett Cooper. That speaks volumes for the state of their middleweight division.

SDM · Post #623 » by **SDM** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:22 pm

Does. Not. Work. Except. One. Night. Only.

You figure they'd catch on by now. Once Viacom figures out how much money Bellator is losing on promotion/marketing because of this format, they'll take this little project out back and murder it. And good.

Cammo101 · Post #624 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:38 pm

SDM wrote:Does. Not. Work. Except. One. Night. Only.

You figure they'd catch on by now. Once Viacom figures out how much money Bellator is losing on promotion/marketing because of this format, they'll take this little project out back and murder it. And good.

I always find it kind of funny that these promotions that go up against the UFC always end up helping the UFC, by building up fighters and then folding, allowing an influx of fresh blood into the UFC. It happened with Pride, Affliction, WEC, and Strikeforce. I'm not saying Bellator is on the chopping block, but the day they do end up going under, the MMA world will be clamoring for Chandler, Dantas, Curran and others to test their hands in the UFC.

REDDzone · Post #625 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:20 pm

Cammo101 wrote:At least in this situation they tried to give the fight to the correct guy and he got hurt, so I give them some slack here. That said, the real problem is that your second best option for a title fight is Brett Cooper. That speaks volumes for the state of their middleweight division.

Yea, of course they tried. At the end of the day though, if you criticize one promotion for giving someone a title shot coming off a loss, you look like an idiot for giving a guy a title shot for getting ktfo a week later.

Cammo101 · Post #626 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:23 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:At least in this situation they tried to give the fight to the correct guy and he got hurt, so I give them some slack here. That said, the real problem is that your second best option for a title fight is Brett Cooper. That speaks volumes for the state of their middleweight division.

Yea, of course they tried. At the end of the day though, if you criticize one promotion for giving someone a title shot coming off a loss, you look like an idiot for giving a guy a title shot for getting ktfo a week later.

Agreed. I never take anything a promoter says too seriously.

REDDzone · Post #627 » by **REDDzone** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:17 pm

I had to chuckle a little. Listening to mmahour, Alvarez being interviewed. Ariel said something along the lines (paraphrase) of: 'bellator has taken some flack for the Tito/Rampage main event, but NOBODY is complaining about the Alvarez/Chandler fight". Oh Ariel, haven'cha heard of our boy cammo?

Also, Alvarez sounds super pumped up to be fighting Chandler. Sweet.

Also also, Alvarez is talking with his mouth full this entire interview. If you do this, you are a disgusting human being. So cringeworthy.

Cammo101 · Post #628 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:41 am

REDDzone wrote:I had to chuckle a little. Listening to mmahour, Alvarez being interviewed. Ariel said something along the lines (paraphrase) of: 'bellator has taken some flack for the Tito/Rampage main event, but NOBODY is complaining about the Alvarez/Chandler fight". Oh Ariel, haven'cha heard of our boy cammo?

I'm not complaining about the fight in and of itself. It is a rematch that any true MMA fan should be clamoring for. I'm complaining about Bellator essentially changing their rules on the fly so the fight could be a title fight.

Cammo101 · Post #629 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:47 am

I still really like Fight Master, but if I have to listen to Greg Jackson talk to the judges under the guise of talking to his fighter for 2 more fights, I might punch my TV.

I don't think you need to tell your fighter if his punches landed or if it was a slip. He is in there, he knows. Try actually coaching them instead.

Jasen777 · Post #630 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:24 pm

Cammo101 wrote:I still really like Fight Master, but if I have to listen to Greg Jackson talk to the judges under the guise of talking to his fighter for 2 more fights, I might punch my TV.

To be fair, a couple of times he talked to the ref instead. Besides, how else is his fighter supposed to know if his opponent's punches hit him or not?

Seriously though, can the judges hear him and a normal fight where there's a crowd?

REDDzone · Post #631 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:15 pm

Are you guys following this Askren thing? I guess Rebney said he won't resign him.

Ben chimes in: "Let's face it, they've got these guys they're trying to bring up, trying to make into stars, and then I outstrike them 248-3 and make them look like they're a child. It's pretty tough to make them a star after that."

lol, such a troll. I dig it.

SDM · Post #632 » by **SDM** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:37 pm

Haha, yeah, that's awesome.

Jasen777 · Post #633 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:49 pm

Fight Master's ratings back up 49% after moving back to after TNA.

Bernman · Post #634 » by **Bernman** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:10 am

Blagoi Ivanov will be making his return to the cage on September 13th against Manny Lara, which will air during the spike.com prelims.

Ivanov, if you recall, provided you were even aware of it before now, was stabbed in the heart during a bar fight early last year in Bulgaria. He was in a coma and on life support for months, expected to die, and if he did come through it was deemed virtually impossible for him to make his return to the cage. So he's made the impossible happen by just getting back to this point. And if he could get back to the level he was before, which had him rated as one of the best HW prospects in MMA, that would really be something. Before he got critically injured, he was viewed as one of the few hopes for Bellator's HW division going forward. He's really a shot in the arm for a division that still needs it, if he's indeed the same guy before he was stabbed in the heart.

In another note, say what you want about Rampage-Tito headlining Bellator's first PPV, but it is getting Bellator some serious mainstream attention. The two will be making the rounds on ESPN, Monday. And Rampage will likely appear on a network late night show or two, as he's done before, leading up to his match-up. That will really help get Bellator's name out there to the mainstream, where it hasn't happened otherwise. Rampage, in spite of being passed his prime, is still a top 15 LHW, and with his mainstream appeal, was a very good signing for Bellator in and of himself.

Cammo101 · Post #635 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:55 am

Rampage was an excellent signing. The mistake was signing Tito and having him fight Rampage. Rampage boxing Roy Jones or even fighting King Mo would have been much better ideas IMO.

SDM · Post #636 » by **SDM** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:15 pm

Yeah, Tito was the problem.

Even Rampage/Randy is a better fight.

REDDzone · Post #637 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:38 pm

I may listen later, but I read on the ug that Tito and Page were on espn first take today and the joke was that the ufc is the one who got all the pub....said they mentioned ufc 3-4 times in the first 2 minutes.

ShowtimeFan · Post #638 » by **ShowtimeFan** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:07 pm

MLB Baseball & NBA Basketball both have minor leagues, so why shouldn't the UFC?

REDDzone · Post #639 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:33 pm

The UFC isn't really analogous to a sports league like MLB or whatever.

Bernman · Post #640 » by **Bernman** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:03 pm

REDDzone wrote:The UFC isn't really analogous to a sports league like MLB or whatever.

People are always looking to fit things in their own paradigm though.

In the American sports' paradigm, there is one major league, and a bunch of minor leagues. But in every major American sport there is a union to ensure the athletes are compensated the way they deserve. That doesn't exist in MMA/UFC. So UFC pays fighters what they have to. And outside of the top proven fighters in the UFC they don't have to pay them much, to keep their reputation in tact. It's cheaper for Dana White to yell at fans and tell them everybody else sucks and they're idiots if they don't think that. Therefore, a ton of top prospects went to Bellator in 2011-2012. They signed as many as UFC. That trend has diminished, but they still nick one here or there, and many they acquired in the past are still around and developed more.

MMA is also an international sport, as love and fighting are international languages. NFL/Football are very domestic. It's vastly easier to scout as a result. So is MLB, to a lesser extent, which is prominent in the U.S., a couple other countries in the Americas, and Japan. Of the major American sports, the scouting dynamic is the most like NBA/basketball, but even with a union you see Euro League popping up. And they wouldn't be classified as "minor league".

MMA is most like soccer/football, in that it doesn't have unions, and it's international. UFC is analogous to a few of the top European leagues combined after the mergers. UFC was England, Pride was Spain, WEC was France, and SF was Germany. Bellator is like Italy. It has prospects here or there on long-term contracts that could thrive anywhere in the world. It also ponies up sometimes to keep their talent on their 2nd contract, and sign names, although many they are a little too late to the party on to get their best, and they lose a high majority of true free agent battles. Italian Serie A isn't a minor league. It's just a lesser league. Just like Bellator.