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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#201 » by Turk Nowitzki » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:55 pm

I have a hard time buying his "I only did it that one time" story.

And the part where baseball never presented any evidence against him, he knew it was time to come clean. Give me a break. :roll:
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#202 » by trwi7 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:00 am

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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#203 » by coolhandluke121 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:16 am

I actually don'think Braun's been juicing for much of his career. There was a ton of pressure in 2011; the hopes of an entire success-starved city were on his shoulders. And he was hurting. When it was revealed that he was tested after a great game against Arizona, after looking so bad in the previous game, I IMMEDIATELY thought "recovery creams". A big risk, but one that was outweighed by the rewards at the time. It was unlikely that he would get caught, and he told himself he would never touch the stuff again as soon as the playoffs were over.

Even if I'm right, that doesn't make him any less of a douche though. But I do think he will still be great for several years.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#204 » by wichmae » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:23 am

Oh Twirly. Youre so sexy.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#205 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:48 am

I'd feel better about his apology if not for this impending lawsuit. Either Braun is telling the truth and the lawsuit is bull, or Braun just compounded his mistake. Again.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#206 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:19 am

I do not like the written statement with no presser. Also the bit about only doing it once is crap.

This story is going to continue to circle down the drain in the year ahead because of this legalistic press release.

He needed to get up in front of cameras and admit being a user for awhile, apologize and then move on.
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Post#207 » by humanrefutation » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:49 am

paulpressey25 wrote:I do not like the written statement with no presser. Also the bit about only doing it once is crap.

This story is going to continue to circle down the drain in the year ahead because of this legalistic press release.

He needed to get up in front of cameras and admit being a user for awhile, apologize and then move on.


Yep. Putting out a press release is a chicken **** way of going about it.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#208 » by trwi7 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:27 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I'd feel better about his apology if not for this impending lawsuit. Either Braun is telling the truth and the lawsuit is bull, or Braun just compounded his mistake. Again.


I recommend reading this. A couple of lawyers humorously pick apart the lawsuit.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#209 » by trwi7 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:29 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:He needed to get up in front of cameras and admit being a user for awhile, apologize and then move on.


Even if he wasn't because I'M UPSET AND I NEED HIM TO ADMIT TO SOMETHING HE MAY NOT HAVE DONE SO I CAN MOVE ON.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#210 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:27 pm

Heyman suggests giving the MVP to Kemp, making good (presumably monetarily) with the test collector (who failed to do his job) and while I generally come down against this kind of thing when it comes from our moral crusaders in the media (and CBS sure has their load of them lately [looking at you Heyman, Morosi and Miller])...at this point I wonder why not? If this is what the public and the media demand? Do it all. Give back the MVP, write Gino a check for $100,000 and do a press conference.

Like I said above, Braun has again painted himself into a corner. He's going all in on his use being for recovery for an injury. We said this back in 2011, but that was the "best" case scenario if you're a Brewer fan: Braun was dealing with injuries, the Brewers were in a playoff race and he wanted to get back on the field. He broke the rules, but you can rationalize it to some degree. Then he went out and had a better 2012 season.

NOW. That being said:

This is all under the assumption that there isn't something else out there. If there really is anything to this lawsuit and this guy has proof of use dating back to Miami, then he's screwed. If there's evidence that even remotely suggests use in 2012, he's screwed. If history has shown anything, it's that one time transgressions get forgiven and forgotten in a hurry. But if you do it twice, that's who you are. You're a cheat.

So yea, if you're Braun and you want to put this behind you, he's not done yet.

The disappointing thing in all this is if this really was his transgression, it would have been far, far better for him to get his initial 50 game ban. Explain it as a recovery tool and move on. No one cares by now.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#211 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:The disappointing thing in all this is if this really was his transgression, it would have been far, far better for him to get his initial 50 game ban. Explain it as a recovery tool and move on. No one cares by now.


In 20/20 hindsight.

Everyone has moved on from Poo Holes saying he's going to sue that former trainer for defamation when the guy accused him 2 weeks ago. Everyone listens to that BS from the player (now, with Braun, the "he got off on a technicality" thing made it a bit different so people were questioning it a bit).

99% chance Poo Holes told that "liar" what he deserved. Either because he wasn't on the stuff or he'll never get caught, so people will believe the trainer is just a whiny bitch.

If Braun's name doesn't show up on a little piece of paper, if the guy doesn't hand it over the Miami newspapers, if ESPN doesn't run with it, etc. we'd also have forgotten about it and Braun still has a sliver of an argument that he's "innocent" all along.

Almost all of these guys that have been verbally accused or had something suspicious about them have dodged it until Biogenesis. A-Rod said he only did it once and the general public believed him.

The tide is turning but the best way was, and still maybe is, to lie lie lie until you are caught with the smoking gun.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#212 » by trwi7 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:57 pm

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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#213 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:14 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/craigcalcaterra/status/370926568190656513[/tweet]

So far two sources have come out corroborating Braun's side of the story.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#214 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:18 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:He needed to get up in front of cameras and admit being a user for awhile, apologize and then move on.


Even if he wasn't because I'M UPSET AND I NEED HIM TO ADMIT TO SOMETHING HE MAY NOT HAVE DONE SO I CAN MOVE ON.


Actually Twirl, I have no great emotion in this at all. Other than the Brewers might have $119 million of dead money, depending on how he's able to resume his career.

But if I were advising Braun, I certainly wouldn't have had him go the route he's gone. I think he made it worse on himself with what he did last night. He needed to do the full Monty and then 75 percent of America would embrace him as a sympathetic figure. Get up and cry like Favre did with the Vicodin. Admit it all. Braun is still in full on douche mode.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#215 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:19 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:He needed to get up in front of cameras and admit being a user for awhile, apologize and then move on.


Even if he wasn't because I'M UPSET AND I NEED HIM TO ADMIT TO SOMETHING HE MAY NOT HAVE DONE SO I CAN MOVE ON.


Actually Twirl, I have no great emotion in this at all. Other than the Brewers might have $119 million of dead money, depending on how he's able to resume his career.

But if I were advising Braun, I certainly wouldn't have had him go the route he's gone. I think he made it worse on himself with what he did last night. He needed to do the full Monty and then 75 percent of America would embrace him as a sympathetic figure. Get up and cry like Favre did with the Vicodin. Admit it all. Braun is still in full on douche mode.


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Post#216 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:22 pm

According to published reports, the account Braun gave is what the evidence shows. There's nothing more to admit.

Like I said, I think he should do a press conference too. Not because he owes anyone anything else, but out of self-preservation.
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Post#217 » by humanrefutation » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:37 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:According to published reports, the account Braun gave is what the evidence shows. There's nothing more to admit.

Like I said, I think he should do a press conference too. Not because he owes anyone anything else, but out of self-preservation.


There's a bit a problem there, though. He didn't reveal is PED use in 2011 because he had no reason to do so then, either. He won his case. He thought he had survived that situation. And then, about a year later, it all came crashing down on him because someone talked. Like you said earlier, if he just accepted his 50 game suspension then, it would've died down by now.

In the same vein, if he was using previously, or currently, the fact that there is no evidence indicating that's the case right now doesn't mean that evidence won't reveal itself in the future. Getting it all out on the table is the best thing for him.

I don't know if he was, but if I had to bet my life on it, I'd say he's always been using and just happened to get caught in 2011. I tend to be skeptical to claims that he just slipped up once. And revealing it all right now - when he has no reason to do so other than a desire to be honest - could earn him tremendous PR.
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Post#218 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:47 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:According to published reports, the account Braun gave is what the evidence shows. There's nothing more to admit.

Like I said, I think he should do a press conference too. Not because he owes anyone anything else, but out of self-preservation.


There's a bit a problem there, though. He didn't reveal is PED use in 2011 because he had no reason to do so then, either. He won his case. He thought he had survived that situation. And then, about a year later, it all came crashing down on him because someone talked. Like you said earlier, if he just accepted his 50 game suspension then, it would've died down by now.

In the same vein, if he was using previously, or currently, the fact that there is no evidence indicating that's the case right now doesn't mean that evidence won't reveal itself in the future. Getting it all out on the table is the best thing for him.

I don't know if he was, but if I had to bet my life on it, I'd say he's always been using and just happened to get caught in 2011. I tend to be skeptical to claims that he just slipped up once. And revealing it all right now - when he has no reason to do so other than a desire to be honest - could earn him tremendous PR.


But what if there's absolutely nothing to reveal? You seem to be in the camp that you're going to forever believe he's always been cheating, and that nothing short of a full admission will satisfy you. I guess I don't know what to say that would make you feel better about this if there's nothing left to tell.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#219 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:49 pm

Yeah, finally admitting to people you're a one-time user works for a lot of people. Ask A-Rod.
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Re: Braun to admit to PED use on 8/19 

Post#220 » by trwi7 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:51 pm

Olney. /facepalm

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