most clutch players in NBA

[Rasho_libre]

And yet he has far fewer game winning/tying shots than any of those other guys on the list.

It's fine to perform well in the last few minutes of a game ... but can you make the game sealing shot?
It's just that we rarely see Lebron game winners. Even with the Finals game 6 it was Ray Allen hitting the clutch 3. In fact, it always seems that someone on Lebron's team goes nuts behind the 3-point line (ex. Battier/Miller).

about to drop knowledge on ya

in playoffs, tying/go ahead shots final 24 sec of 4th/ot since lebron entered in 03-04
lebron 7-17
kobe 5-17 (1-7 before 03 for 6-24 for his 17 yr career)

playoffs, game winning shot in final 10 seconds of 4th/ot career
lebron 5-10
kobe 3-14
and just for perspective, jordan 6-13

in both game 7s and elimination games aka come up big or go home, lebron the leading scorer all time.
kobe in game 7s avgs 22.2 ppg on 38.9% shooting.

going reg season, in this era lebron stands out again along with dirk. you can gain knowledge on that over here viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1248280

so in the current nba, i think the most clutch players are lebron, dirk, cp3

Like seriously there has been a million threads on these the last few months, the elimination game thread, the game 7 thread, game winner threads all of the disproves Kobe being anything but mediocre in "clutch" moments. So I ask, Kobe fans where is the proof. It's not to mean he isn't clutch, he is but there is absolutely nothing that puts him ahead of dirk, lbj and cp3.

[Egg Nog]

Clutch doesn't exist. Shots go in or don't go in regardless of how much is left on the clock. Good players tend to make more, bad players tend to be the opposite. Certainly some players have bad nerves are may display consistently lower performance, but that is very different than "clutch".

It's illusory correlation. You remember the ones that go in better than the ones that don't. This is particularly true with players that have amassed a large number of late-game attempts in their career (generally a player capable of getting relatively good looks, like a shooting guard).

The stats simply don't back it up. There are no players that are well above average in a statistically significant way relative to their "normal" capabilities. People who understand statistics realize this, many others who do not continue to deny it forever, irrationally citing examples where shots went in (ad nauseam).

Sorry.

[shan-e-b]

The guy who hit the biggest clutch shot in the NBA last year. Mr. Ray Allen.

[miltk]

Clutch doesn't exist. Shots go in or don't go in regardless of how much is left on the clock. Good players tend to make more, bad players tend to be the opposite.

It's illusory correlation. You remember the ones that go in better than the ones that don't. This is particularly true with players that have amassed a large number of late-game attempts in their career (generally a player capable of getting relatively good looks, like a shooting guard).

The stats simply don't back it up. There are no players that are well above average in a statistically significant way relative to their "normal" capabilities. People who understand statistics realize this, many others who do not continue to deny it forever, irrationally citing examples where shots went in (ad nauseam).

Sorry.

i kinda agree,,,,,but IS there a stat that shows last shot %'s of clutch players being just "average"???
the greatest clutch player of all time, west, said he likes that shot because defenders back off afraid of fouling. now, i don't ever recall jerry missing but like you say we remember the makes,,,however IF HE said he likes that shot because defenders back off, he is implying it's an easier shot.

now, and equally useful observation would be to see if defenders played differently on the last shot.

[bigsby1]

Umm how come no one mentioned Derek Fisher?

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[Rasho_libre]

Clutch doesn't exist. Shots go in or don't go in regardless of how much is left on the clock. Good players tend to make more, bad players tend to be the opposite.

It's illusory correlation. You remember the ones that go in better than the ones that don't. This is particularly true with players that have amassed a large number of late-game attempts in their career (generally a player capable of getting relatively good looks, like a shooting guard).

The stats simply don't back it up. There are no players that are well above average in a statistically significant way relative to their "normal" capabilities. People who understand statistics realize this, many others who do not continue to deny it forever, irrationally citing examples where shots went in (ad nauseam).

Sorry.

i kinda agree,,,,,but IS there a stat that shows last shot %'s of clutch players being just "average"???
the greatest clutch player of all time, west, said he likes that shot because defenders back off afraid of fouling. now, i don't ever recall jerry missing but like you say we remember the makes,,,however IF HE said he likes that shot because defenders back off, he is implying it's an easier shot.

now, and equally useful observation would be to see if defenders played differently on the last shot.

IMO that's why I think clutch is overrated. I Define clutch as how payers perform when their teams need them the most offensively, defensively and within the team. Some guys hit a great percentage of their game winners like dirk because of his ability to get the shot off at 7 feet, Lebron and cp3 because of their driving ability and their ability survey the entire floor, melo because of his 1 on 1 pull-up, Kobe because of his insane shots making ability. But all these guys are always this good in any scenario it doesn't just happen in the last 10 seconds of the game where they eat a senzu bean

[carl_english]

Rudy Gay

[Danny1616]

This is from a statistical analysis of field goal percentage in the last minute of games between 2006-2012:


In the final minute of games the players with the best percentages are:

1) Rudy Gay (25-56) 44.6%
2) Brandon Roy (26-60) 43.3%
3) Deron Williams (23-56) 41.1%
4) Lebron James (35-91) 38.5%
5) Ray Allen (25-65) 38.5%


*Kobe is 35-94 (37.2%) and Pierce is 15-53 (28.3%)
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In final 24 seconds of games the players with the best percentages are:

1) Brandon Roy (16-38) 42.1%
2) Ray Allen (17-42) 40.5%
3) Deron Williams (19-48) 39.6%
4) Rudy Gay (16-41) 39%
5) Carmelo Anthony (15-40) 37.5%
6) Kobe Bryant (22-63) 34.9%

*Lebron is 18-61 (29.5%)




http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/2/29/2832299/lebron-james-kobe-bryant-dwyane-wade-clutch-nba-playoffs-4th-quarter

[Zasterror]

In terms of superstar wing players, I feel that Melo and KD is the most clutch offensively. They both made a ton of GWs/clutch shots and mostly efficient in hitting them. I feel that Wade is probably the most clutch defensively; he makes a ridiculous amount of blocks/steals/deflections in the clutch and saves games plenty of times. IIRC, there was a statistic showing Wade's insane blocks and steals rate in the clutch for the past 3 seasons.
The only player that I feel that has a combination of both clutch offense and defense at an high level is LeBron James; he is literally everywhere on the court when it counts.

[washderice]

This is from a statistical analysis of field goal percentage in the last minute of games between 2006-2012:


In the final minute of games the players with the best percentages are:

1) Rudy Gay (25-56) 44.6%
2) Brandon Roy (26-60) 43.3%
3) Deron Williams (23-56) 41.1%
4) Lebron James (35-91) 38.5%
5) Ray Allen (25-65) 38.5%


*Kobe is 35-94 (37.2%) and Pierce is 15-53 (28.3%)
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In final 24 seconds of games the players with the best percentages are:

1) Brandon Roy (16-38) 42.1%
2) Ray Allen (17-42) 40.5%
3) Deron Williams (19-48) 39.6%
4) Rudy Gay (16-41) 39%
5) Carmelo Anthony (15-40) 37.5%
6) Kobe Bryant (22-63) 34.9%

*Lebron is 18-61 (29.5%)




http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/2/29/2832299/lebron-james-kobe-bryant-dwyane-wade-clutch-nba-playoffs-4th-quarter

pretty interesting article. tho itd be nice if it were u to date, all the information is before lebron even won fis first ring. it also shows lebron in the playoffs is at another level of "clutch" compared to most, and again thats without his 2 most successful playoff runs included.

[42uptop]

Lebron is not clutch.
(BTW it's not the end of the world for you Lebron bandwagoners that he is not clutch. He's still the best player right now).


The real question is ... where's Dirk?

I'm a bulls fan. LeBron is ridiculously clutch.
http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerClutch ... tOrder=DES

you were saying?

Lebron is not clutch

[TheOUTLAW]

I've always wondered how the LeBron is not clutch rumor started and been so persistent especially since it is so consistently proven to be untrue.

[NBA4EVA2010]

24 sec or less type shots? melo is the clutchest. Pure dominiation in the clutch? lebron hands down. Some interesting facts

[NBA4EVA2010]

active players elimination games? Lebron and Dirk are a level above everyone else with melo and Kobe being pretty average


Kobe Bryant Elimination Game Averages:
22.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.2 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, 41.4 FG%, 27.5 3P%, 77.9 FT%

Dwyane Wade Elimination Game Averages:
24.6 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 4.7 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 4.4 TOPG, 44. 0 FG%, 30.0 3P%, 87.4 FT%

LeBron James Elimination Game Averages:
31.9 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.4 SPG, .6 BPG, 4.5 TOPG, 46.5 FG%, 31.4 3P%, 73.8 FT%

Tim Duncan Elimination Game Averages:
21.9 PPG, 12.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, .9 SPG, 2.2 BPG, 2.9 TOPG, 44.7 FG%, 0.0 3P%, 74.3 FT%

Dirk Nowitzki Elimination Game Averages:
28.4 PPG, 10.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 1.8 TPG, 48.4 FG%, 41.9 3PT%, 90.7 FT%





Elimination Game Winning %'s:

Bryant - 47.4%
Wade - 57.1%
James - 53.8%
Duncan - 35.3%
Nowitzki - 47.4%

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Carmelo Anthony

3 W - 9 L

41.4 MP; 42.2 FG% (9.9/23.5), 81.6 FT% (7.4/9.1), 50.9 TS%; 28.0 PTS, 7.2 REB (2.1 OFF), 2.2 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.1 BLK, 2.2 TOV, 3.6 PF

[Nazrmohamed]

Lebron is not clutch.
(BTW it's not the end of the world for you Lebron bandwagoners that he is not clutch. He's still the best player right now).


The real question is ... where's Dirk?

The Kobe myths lol. Statiscally, visual proof, team clutch stats all point to Lebron, dirk and cp3. Guys that go 6-24 and perform worse in big games compared to their rivals is not the not the most clutch player in the league. Unless you consider clutch a guy who will just shoot no matter the circumstance whether 1 guys on him or 3.

Im a knick fan and I concur. Watching the Miami/Pacers series after the Pacers beat us, Miami wasn't looking all that much better against them from a execution standpoint of their offense. The difference is in the biggest spots Lebron was able to take his game to a higher level than Carmelo could. It no longer was about the Heat or the big three. Lebron DID look like Cleveland Lebron there and its what carried hem over the top. People base clutchness on a last shot. Lebron has clutch quarters, games. I don't think I'll ever be a fan of Lebron but his greatness is undeniable.

But besides that I just wanna throw Stephen Curry's name out there. Dude is lethal at the wrong time, if you're playing against him.

[Nazrmohamed]

I take Wades with a grain of salt because its rare he's ever behind in a series and the last time he was he had to win three in a row to beat the Mavericks pre- big3. A great feat but it all happened in one series so it skews the numbers. I think the other contestants had their elimination games spread out which for me says they've done it in multiple playoff series.

[42uptop]

It's hilarious how people try to quantify how clutch someone is. Look at all the definitions that have already been thrown around here. Elimination games, last 24 second shooting, last 5 minute offense, etc etc. Clutch depends on your own personal criteria. What I see as clutch and what you see as clutch are probably very different

[Chuck Newhouse]

Before I started reading this nobody really came to mind because I thought about current players but if you want to go back a few years, I saw Nick Van Exel do some sick stuff late in the 4th. Agent 0 and Big Shot Bob also come to mind.

[NBA4EVA2010]

not including 2013 playoffs

[NBA4EVA2010]

playoffs






- As of may 2013