most clutch players in NBA

[arifgokcen]

1) Kobe- Forget the stats, unlike Lebron EVERYONE knows Kobe is gonna take the shot and he still makes it

yeah, forget the stats that show that kobe doesn't make the shot too often

he sure can take 'em, i'll give ya that

Dude he got you good.

BTW kobe,besides 2010 season where he made 7 game winning shots, always been terrible in game winning shots.The degree of difficulty of the shot he takes especially at the end of games decreases his percentages significantly.

[Fat]

Gary Neal is the most clutch player in the NBA, no debating

[TheProfessor]

Melo, JJ. End debate

[leolozon]

1) Kobe- Forget the stats, unlike Lebron EVERYONE knows Kobe is gonna take the shot and he still makes it
Sometimes. When facing Miami wade, ray Allen are all players you have to
Check so lebron doesn't have as much coverage as Kobe.

Forget the stats? Some people are unreal.

Why should I trust your eyesight over years of datas? Kobe is not clutch and it's a fact. Can he make bad shots better than other players? Yes. They are still very low percentage shot that he makes at a low percentage. It's really not that complicated.

Why do you think Lebron doesn't have as much coverage? Because he can pass the damn ball and other players have to respect that. He earned that through the years. Kobe is taking worst shots than Lebron and yes, that makes him less clutch.

The only thing that matters is if the ball goes through the net... the difficulty of the shot doesn't give more points if you never noticed.

[leolozon]

Nash never gets mentioned enough. From 2000 to 2012, he led the league in 3pt % in the clutch and was 3rd in FG% while having the lowest % of those shots being set up by another player. Pretty good considering that Lebron and Duncan, the two guys ahead of him in FG% are only ahead by .001 and take a lot less 3pt than him. So Nash was the most efficient shooter in the clutch in those years.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/2/29 ... th-quarter

[TheOUTLAW]

1) Kobe- Forget the stats, unlike Lebron EVERYONE knows Kobe is gonna take the shot and he still makes it
Sometimes. When facing Miami wade, ray Allen are all players you have to
Check so lebron doesn't have as much coverage as Kobe.

The reason you have to check all those players is because LeBron will find them if you leave them open. The fact that he will pass the ball to an open teammate is not a bad thing.

[Ahmed1212]

1) Kobe- Forget the stats, unlike Lebron EVERYONE knows Kobe is gonna take the shot and he still makes it
Sometimes. When facing Miami wade, ray Allen are all players you have to
Check so lebron doesn't have as much coverage as Kobe.

The reason you have to check all those players is because LeBron will find them if you leave them open. The fact that he will pass the ball to an open teammate is not a bad thing.

Kobe doesnt have Ray Allen or Dwayne Wade two BIG time clutch players. I'd love to see Lebrons clutch stats when he was in Cleveland.... Got a feeling it ain't as high as it is now.

[TheOUTLAW]

He consistently lead the league while in Cleveland. Several years he led the league in 4th quarter points. I'm also fairly sure his efficiency was good although as you said, not as high as now.

[TheRobin]

I'd love to see Lebrons clutch stats when he was in Cleveland.... Got a feeling it ain't as high as it is now.

You'd probably cry. LeBron

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
Here you go

[Nowitness]

In no particular order:
Kobe
Lebron
Dirk
KD
Joe Johnson

[ClintonDemocrat]

My top 5 for current players
1.) Kobe
2.) Ray Allen
3.) Paul Pierce
4.) Dwayne Wade
5.) Carmelo Anthony

Where's lebron?

kobe = most overrated clutch player in history

Even if that's not the claim, his record with clutch shots since 2010 has been terrible. Almost nonexistent. Three years. He's living on past hype.

[Rasho_libre]

I'd love to see Lebrons clutch stats when he was in Cleveland.... Got a feeling it ain't as high as it is now.

You'd probably cry. LeBron

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
Here you go

There's no point dude, some people just use 9gag as their source.

[Browns16]

Kyrie Irving

[FlightNumber23]

I remember reading some crazy stat that said Kyrie has hit more game winning shots in his 2 years than LeBron did all 7 years he was in cleveland. Sorry as a former LeBron fan, i was never confident at all when the ball was in his hands in the closing seconds. Kyrie, im confident when he pulls up for game winners because I know there is an actual good chance of it going in.

[Sgt P]

active players elimination games? Lebron and Dirk are a level above everyone else with melo and Kobe being pretty average


Kobe Bryant Elimination Game Averages:
22.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.2 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, 41.4 FG%, 27.5 3P%, 77.9 FT%

Dwyane Wade Elimination Game Averages:
24.6 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 4.7 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 4.4 TOPG, 44. 0 FG%, 30.0 3P%, 87.4 FT%

LeBron James Elimination Game Averages:
31.9 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.4 SPG, .6 BPG, 4.5 TOPG, 46.5 FG%, 31.4 3P%, 73.8 FT%

Tim Duncan Elimination Game Averages:
21.9 PPG, 12.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, .9 SPG, 2.2 BPG, 2.9 TOPG, 44.7 FG%, 0.0 3P%, 74.3 FT%

Dirk Nowitzki Elimination Game Averages:
28.4 PPG, 10.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 1.8 TPG, 48.4 FG%, 41.9 3PT%, 90.7 FT%





Elimination Game Winning %'s:

Bryant - 47.4%
Wade - 57.1%
James - 53.8%
Duncan - 35.3%
Nowitzki - 47.4%

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Carmelo Anthony

3 W - 9 L

41.4 MP; 42.2 FG% (9.9/23.5), 81.6 FT% (7.4/9.1), 50.9 TS%; 28.0 PTS, 7.2 REB (2.1 OFF), 2.2 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.1 BLK, 2.2 TOV, 3.6 PF

Dude.. you just total miss D Wade. His stats are top but you make no mention of him at all 57%. These are your stats. wtf... is the Hate that great? But whatever
"Slept on like a posturepedic"

[Imon]

The thing that Lebron apologists need to realize is that no matter how many numbers you throw out there this is not a purely objective argument.

The reason why a guy like Kobe has a clutch reputation, even though many people believe the numbers don't back it up, is because, while he takes a lot of last second shots, he still makes last second shots.
You know how some people say some points feel more emphatic than others? Like a dunk on a fast break after a steal that brings a crowd to its feet is still 2 points like an ordinary jump shot but it feels like it's worth more.

Kobe has a long compilation of game winners. I don't know how many game ending shots Lebron has but it's probably far less than Kobe's. Those are the shots everyone remembers not the shots you make on a spreadsheet with parameters like "5 minutes left" or "5 points or less".
That doesn't tell whether or not he made the game winning shot or not. They could have still lost that game. Like it or not, this is just how it is and there will always be intangibles thrown into the argument. Statistics are a part of the argument but not ALL the argument.

I remember hearing Bill Simmons talk about his NBA panel colleagues Magic Johnson and Jalen Rose once. He said he was convinced Rudy Gay is not a good player because the stats show he is inefficient but he said Magic and Jalen insisted Rudy Gay is a good player.
Believe this ... if Lebron starts hitting a ton of game winners people's perception about him WILL change even if he misses a lot of them. And things like "clutchness" will continued to be defined by cult of legend that grows behind players like Kobe.

[Egg Nog]

The thing that Lebron apologists need to realize is that no matter how many numbers you throw out there this is not a purely objective argument.

The reason why a guy like Kobe has a clutch reputation, even though many people believe the numbers don't back it up, is because, while he takes a lot of last second shots, he still makes last second shots.
You know how some people say some points feel more emphatic than others? Like a dunk on a fast break after a steal that brings a crowd to its feet is still 2 points like an ordinary jump shot but it feels like it's worth more.

Kobe has a long compilation of game winners. I don't know how many game ending shots Lebron has but it's probably far less than Kobe's. Those are the shots everyone remembers not the shots you make on a spreadsheet with parameters like "5 minutes left" or "5 points or less".
That doesn't tell whether or not he made the game winning shot or not. They could have still lost that game. Like it or not, this is just how it is and there will always be intangibles thrown into the argument. Statistics are a part of the argument but not ALL the argument.

I remember hearing Bill Simmons talk about his NBA panel colleagues Magic Johnson and Jalen Rose once. He said he was convinced Rudy Gay is not a good player because the stats show he is inefficient but he said Magic and Jalen insisted Rudy Gay is a good player.
Believe this ... if Lebron starts hitting a ton of game winners people's perception about him WILL change even if he misses a lot of them. And things like "clutchness" will continued to be defined by cult of legend that grows behind players like Kobe.

I just read this three times and I still don't know exactly what you're trying to say... if something other than statistics is what defines clutchness in any real sense, it can't be rational. The fact that people remember the makes better than the misses doesn't change the reality of what happened.

...unless your point is simply about the perception of clutchness, in which case I'd agree. But I'd say the perception is only that way because people fail to interpret these things objectively.

[EtchenBa]

LeBron doesn't need game winners. He's not the most clutch player in the game and of course not in the history of the game, but he's still a top clutch player. That really doesn't matter though because these conversations inevitably degenerate into "Kobe vs. LeBron in the clutch."

The arguments that suggest Kobe is more clutch that LeBron are so vacuous and empty, it's ridiculous. It just seems to boil down to the fact that Kobe WILL take the shot no matter what. Some people can convince themselves that this is a good thing, that it exemplifies a killer instinct or initiative or some other equally vague and unquantifiable quality.

Keep dreamin'

[NBA4EVA2010]

1) Kobe- Forget the stats, unlike Lebron EVERYONE knows Kobe is gonna take the shot and he still makes it
Sometimes. When facing Miami wade, ray Allen are all players you have to
Check so lebron doesn't have as much coverage as Kobe.

The reason you have to check all those players is because LeBron will find them if you leave them open. The fact that he will pass the ball to an open teammate is not a bad thing.

Kobe doesnt have Ray Allen or Dwayne Wade two BIG time clutch players. I'd love to see Lebrons clutch stats when he was in Cleveland.... Got a feeling it ain't as high as it is now.

You would be wrong! Infact, his all around numbers clutch numbers were even better on the Cavs his last 2-3 years there.


This is from early 2011..has to be updated though


Game Winning Shot Opportunity = 24 seconds or less left in the game, team with the ball is either tied or down by 1 to 2 points.






For these stats "Clutch" is defined as:

4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points"

2010-11




2009-10




2008-09




2007-08





...what we can see is that Lebron's +/-, eff, rebounding, ast, block and stls were on a godly level in his Cavs days in the clutch...even his 2010-2011, first season the heat where he seemed to "struggle" compared to his previous Cavs days are still elite all around. In 2008 he avg a triple double in the clutch!

[FlightNumber23]

Like I said, Kyrie....

I dont know why every stat that has been brought up in this thread has been from when Lebron was in Cleveland. He scored more points, in less mins which shooting a better percentage than lebron. In the last 2 years in the league, Kyrie has been the most clutch player in the NBA. And like I said before, dude has more game winners in 2 years then Lebron did in 7.

Also found this from his rookie year:

"The 20-year-old rookie leads the NBA in added usage in clutch situations. He normally uses "just" 27.9 percent of his team's possessions, but when the going gets tough, Irving gets going. In clutch situations, Irving raises his usage rate to 47.2 percent, which is tied for the highest in the NBA along with Carmelo Anthony. And he's not just chucking up shots like Anthony; Irving has made just as many crunch-time shots as Anthony in 28 fewer attempts."

Heres another from last year:

Per 48 minute of production
1. Kyrie Irving: 56.4ppg, 54.4%
2. Kevin Durant: 50.8ppg, 41.1%
3. Carmelo Anthony: 43.6ppg, 35.4%
4. Russell Westbrook: 41.1ppg, 49.4%
5. Chris Paul: 40.6ppg, 42.5%


12. Kobe Bryant: 36.3ppg, 32.7%

These are just some stats taken throughout the year.



Another quote from 82 games:

"Kyrie Irving actually LED the NBA in points per 48 minutes of clutch time. He scored 56.4 points per 48 minutes of clutch time. That is 6 points more than the second place guy, Kevin Durant. Too add to that, his field goal percentage rocketed up to 54.4% when the game is on the line. Perhaps the most impressive part of this is that his buckets scored at the end of games are hardly ever assisted on. Just 19% of his buckets in the vital portions of games come from a teammate's assist. That means he is taking on the entire defense and creating his own shot. And he does it with startling efficiency."

Alright im done trying now lol