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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#21 » by Idee Mixed » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:17 pm

Man I cant wait to shut all the Nah Sayers.

We will get our Justice.
The NEW Super Team - The NBA Justice League

Dwill - Batman
JJ - Martain Manhunter
PP - Green Latern
KG - SuperMan (Kingdom Come)
Lop - The Big Marvel (Man)

Livingston - Cyborg
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AK-47 - Aquaman
Evans - Hawkman
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Ok I had to stop. I did my best. I am a Marvel fan not DC. You guys can fill in the blanks or rearrange.
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Post#22 » by DrazenForThree » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:39 pm

personally, i cant wait for jet and johnson to shut everyone up. i think those two are going to have enormous bounce back years, especially jet.
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Post#23 » by TheMightyHumph » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:43 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:personally, i cant wait for jet and johnson to shut everyone up. i think those two are going to have enormous bounce back years, especially jet.


Joe Johnson stepping up would be extremely nice
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#24 » by DrazenForThree » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:47 pm

TheMightyHumph wrote:
DrazenForThree wrote:personally, i cant wait for jet and johnson to shut everyone up. i think those two are going to have enormous bounce back years, especially jet.


Joe Johnson stepping up would be extremely nice


i dont think he really needs to step up. i think playing exactly like he did last year will yield significantly better results. i dont think we have a player who will benefit more from the additions then Joe. With Terry/Pierce/Dray he no longer needs to have nights where he plays 38-40 minutes. Last year he was hurt most by the pacing issues and having no shooters around him. He drew by far the most double teams for us when posting up... but we didnt have the passers, shooters, or finsihers to take advantage of it. now we do.

There are few if any PG's or SG's who can contain johnson 1 on 1 on the block. and now he will either exploit that, or if he is doubled can now make other teams pay dearly for it... instead of taking on the double or kicking it to wallace for a bricked corner 3

but when Joe isnt doubled, he is really on point:
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#25 » by Idee Mixed » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:08 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:personally, i cant wait for jet and johnson to shut everyone up. i think those two are going to have enormous bounce back years, especially jet.


Once Kidd and KG tweak Lopez' low post game especially passing out of the post, everyone is going to be lethel and all the BSPN and NBA anal-ysts will be changing their tunes. These writers get paid to be knowledgable about the NBA but they get stuck pigeonhole a lot of things.

Yes IND had a great run in the ECF against MIA, but that was the playoffs. They got the favorable bracket avoiding the Heat until ECF. ATL and NYK overachieved last year.

IND won 49 games with Hill, Stevens, George, West, Hibbert and their bench of Augustin, Green, Young, Mahimi, and Hansborough. They will improve with Granger, Scola, Copeland and Watson.

BKN won 49 games with Dwill, JJ, Crash, Evans, Lopez with a bench of Watson, Brooks, Hump, and Blatche. We added KG, PP, Jet, AK, Livingston, AA, and retained Blatche.

People can honestly say that Pacers will have a better REGULAR season record ON PAPER than the Nets. Really!!!! Tell me Pacers pushed the Heat and IF they get back to ECF vs the Heat they will try to surpass them. Dont tell me BS that PACERS will be a better team during the REGULAR season JUST because of what they did in the Playoffs. 8th SEEDS have gotten to the ECF and Finals.
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#26 » by DrazenForThree » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:12 pm

Idee Mixed wrote:Once Kidd and KG tweak Lopez' low post game especially passing out of the post, everyone is going to be lethel and all the BSPN and NBA anal-ysts will be changing their tunes. These writers get paid to be knowledgable about the NBA but they get stuck pigeonhole a lot of things.


lopez has a really polished post game. he also is extremely knowledgable with where the ball needs to go out of the post. his real issue is how slow he is to recognize it, and how poorly he executes it out of a hard double team. im actually quite surprised how teams didnt exclusively go with a hard double at him, as worst case it usually resulted in him moving the ball slow enough that the teams defense could recover.

im hoping kidd and the staff improve that. if they do, lopez really wont have much of a weakness offensively outside of lacking aggression
Yes IND had a great run in the ECF against MIA, but that was the playoffs. They got the favorable bracket avoiding the Heat until ECF. ATL and NYK overachieved last year.

IND won 49 games with Hill, Stevens, George, West, Hibbert and their bench of Augustin, Green, Young, Mahimi, and Hansborough. They will improve with Granger, Scola, Copeland and Watson.


yeah, the pacers are the most overrated team the 20 or 30 years ive been watching. they beat teams they are matched up well against and get murdered by everyone else. since some of those teams they match up well with are elite, they get over hyped. but any team with a legit 7 footer smashes them. im still amazed at the hype paul george gets.
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#27 » by bobbyc » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:38 pm

^^agree with you guys about Joe and Terry. They are being severely undervalued.

But, Is AK the most talented bench player in the league? Maybe one of the bigmen from Detroit.

So he is definitely capable of starting, but Paul and Joe are going to start. They make the big money and have the star power plus they should create a good offensive chemistry with the rest of the starting lineup.
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#28 » by Paradise » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:48 pm

I think we all would be excessive homers if we didn't address the fact, Joe and Terry have the best chance at regressing the most on this team since they aren't strong defenders and aren't exactly consistent, however, It's kind of funny how people are totally underestimating Terry's season last year and saying he was done. People need to really grasp the definitions of "done", "declining" and most importantly "locked down"


Terry's shooting stats from last season

His stint's success was weighted early
Pre-All Star Break - .442
Post-All Star Break - .415

A postseason line of 12.0 points on .441 three-point shooting and .444 overall.

Terry is known for his shooting, and knocked down an impressive 48.5 percent of his mid-range attempts, 8.4 percent better than league average. Overall, his best zone was the far left baseline (19-28 FGs; .679 FG%; +27.0% vs. average) and his worst, straightaway three-pointers (9-35; .257; -8.6%). He is more than 10 percent above average on left wing and right corner threes.


And for comparison's sake, the only shooter in the playoffs that averaged better post-season shooting was Danny Green's incredible run. Terry's postseason line was way better than The Sixth Man Of The Year who is 28. And in terms of durability, Terry has only missed 11 games in 4 years.

The only newly acquired player we should be worried about being durable for the long haul is Kirilenko. Everybody else has a history of staying healthy and durable for the majority of a season.
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#29 » by DrazenForThree » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:00 pm

Paradise wrote:I think we all would be excessive homers if we didn't address the fact, Joe and Terry have the best chance at regressing the most on this team since they aren't strong defenders and aren't exactly consistent


Not a good defender? joe johnson was our best defender last season. and certainly a very solid defensive player. and he is pretty steady as well. now that he doesnt have 4 guys with super low bbiq's around him all times, and more then 1 other shooter on the floor, he should shine. i think expecting anything less then an improvement on last season is crazy. i dont think there is another player more likely to benefit from our new squad
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#30 » by Paradise » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:51 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:
Paradise wrote:I think we all would be excessive homers if we didn't address the fact, Joe and Terry have the best chance at regressing the most on this team since they aren't strong defenders and aren't exactly consistent


Not a good defender? joe johnson was our best defender last season. and certainly a very solid defensive player. and he is pretty steady as well. now that he doesnt have 4 guys with super low bbiq's around him all times, and more then 1 other shooter on the floor, he should shine. i think expecting anything less then an improvement on last season is crazy. i dont think there is another player more likely to benefit from our new squad


Johnson wasa good defender against slower players and iso scorers but he was really bad against shooting guards.

Although, It's kind of sample size, Wallace appeared to be the best defender on the team around All-Star break last season. He also had a 3.0 RAPM, so he was impactful on the floor defensively.

Defensive Statistics- Synergy Sports 02/06/2013

Player #Plays PPP Rank FGM FGA FG% 3GFM 3FGA 3FG% %SF And1 %TO %Score
1. Howard 219 0.67 8 60 186 32.3% 7 19 36.8% 5.9% 1 7.8% 35.3%
2. Garnett 286 0.72 21 81 231 35.1% 10 35 28.6% 5.2% 4 12.9% 35.0%
3. Iguodala 490 0.76 40 135 387 34.9% 49 146 33.6% 4.5% 5 15.1% 33.3%
4. Ariza 185 0.76 40 53 153 34.6% 19 54 35.2% 4.3% 2 11.4% 33.5%
5. Rondo 455 0.77 51 130 341 38.1% 37 112 33.0% 4.4% 6 18.5% 35.2%
6. Wade 388 0.77 51 108 313 34.5% 47 136 34.6% 4.4% 6 13.9% 32.7%
7. Chandler 312 0.78 57 103 257 40.1% 11 39 28.2% 3.8% 3 12.5% 37.8%
8. Bryant 546 0.79 71 163 467 34.9% 53 174 30.5% 4.6% 6 8.4% 35.5%
9. Allen 308 0.80 83 86 246 35.0% 32 82 39.0% 5.8% 6 13.0% 34.4%
10. Clark 192 0.82 108 58 161 36.0% 12 39 30.8% 7.3% 3 7.8% 38.0%
11. Battier 342 0.83 123 108 304 33.5% 30 94 31.9% 5.6% 2 5.3% 37.1%
12. Marion 330 0.83 123 103 277 37.2% 24 75 32.0% 5.2% 10 9.7% 37.3%
13. Deng 497 0.84 147 166 418 39.7% 36 110 32.7% 4.8% 3 9.3% 39.0%
14. World Peace 513 0.85 161 166 420 39.5% 59 152 38.8% 3.9% 6 12.3% 36.8%
15. Ibaka 387 0.85 161 131 350 37.4% 19 69 27.5% 4.9% 9 3.9% 39.5%
16. Paul 393 0.85 161 113 284 39.8% 50 128 39.1% 4.8% 4 18.5% 37.2%
17. James 411 0.87 195 129 349 37.0% 57 145 39.3% 4.9% 7 9.7% 36.7%
18. Afflalo 349 0.87 195 118 303 38.9% 33 87 37.9% 4.3% 2 7.2% 39.8%
19. Sefolosha 466 0.91 264 150 380 39.5% 52 129 40.3% 5.2% 6 10.1% 40.1%
20. G Wallace 463 0.99 233 160 405 39.5% 46 129 35.7% 5.0% 4 6.9% 40.0%
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#31 » by DJ Pauly P » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:36 am

Eh Synergy defensive stats... Kind of flawed to use on a team full of defenders who looked like they never saw a pick and roll in their life before.

Joe's probably going to be the whipping boy for fans this year, but he'll be as consistent as they come. Won't do anything to lose the team games, and will always be there in the big moments to give the team a shot to win them.
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#32 » by ecuhus1981 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:20 pm

Here's an idea: what about JOE JOHNSON coming off the bench, and Paul Pierce sliding back to the 2, as he played for years in Boston before Allen? I could see that working out as well, especially if JJ keeps ballooning like an oompa looompa!

We all know Pierce is more efficient and comfortable when not dominating the ball, which works great with a premier PG like Deron. The same can't be said of Johnson, who did not thrive last season in the complementary guard role, as he used to back in his PHX days. Despite being nearly 4 years older than ISO Joe, the Truth is still performing at a higher level, and played more games last year than JJ.

My point is this: I would like to avoid JJ and PP sharing a ton of court time, because I feel they are soooo similar. While neither is a liability defensively per se, they both struggle to guard smaller, quicker SGs or bigger, stronger SFs. With both in the starting lineup, we expose ourselves unnecessarily defensive end. I still envision JJ, PP and AK all getting at least 28mpg, but how we utilize them will dictate how opposition can and can't attack us.

Either way, I'm ordering my Pierce jersey before the season starts! Go Nets!

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Post#33 » by exculpatory » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:32 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:Here's an idea: what about JOE JOHNSON coming off the bench, and Paul Pierce sliding back to the 2, as he played for years in Boston before Allen? I could see that working out as well, especially if JJ keeps ballooning like an oompa looompa!

We all know Pierce is more efficient and comfortable when not dominating the ball, which works great with a premier PG like Deron. The same can't be said of Johnson, who did not thrive last season in the complementary guard role, as he used to back in his PHX days. Despite being nearly 4 years older than ISO Joe, the Truth is still performing at a higher level, and played more games last year than JJ.

My point is this: I would like to avoid JJ and PP sharing a ton of court time, because I feel they are soooo similar. While neither is a liability defensively per se, they both struggle to guard smaller, quicker SGs or bigger, stronger SFs. With both in the starting lineup, we expose ourselves unnecessarily defensive end. I still envision JJ, PP and AK all getting at least 28mpg, but how we utilize them will dictate how opposition can and can't attack us.

Either way, I'm ordering my Pierce jersey before the season starts! Go Nets!

Williams, Pierce, Kirilenko, Garnett, Lopez
Johnson, Terry, Anderson, Evans, Blatche


Good post. Agree.

JJ has a weight problem???????
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Post#34 » by DrazenForThree » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:03 pm

i dont get why people keep wanting to put pierce or johnson on the bench to start games. Our biggest strength as a team is offense. with dwill/JJ/PP/KG/Lopez we have an insane team with a go to scorer at every position. all 5 guys can catch and shoot, post up, and hit free, and create their own offense. im not sure why anyone would to weaken our strength. i want JJ and Pierce together on the court as often as possible. doing so means one of them wont be gaurded by the other teams best wing defender.

AK is a better option defensively. but our best defender is going to be our pace. super slow, limiting possesions, and forcing teams into a half court game. AK is better suited to close out games or come in when we need stops.... not to start games when we really want to get going offensively and put our stamp on things. im fine with pierce or johnson staying on with the second unit, but to start the game and a majority of the time you want those 2 on the floor together.

in fact, im not sure there are 2 guys you want to pair more often then those two, as it almost ensures 1 gets a giant mismatch
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Re: Is AK47 our starting SF? 

Post#35 » by Paradise » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:29 pm

exculpatory wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:Here's an idea: what about JOE JOHNSON coming off the bench, and Paul Pierce sliding back to the 2, as he played for years in Boston before Allen? I could see that working out as well, especially if JJ keeps ballooning like an oompa looompa!

We all know Pierce is more efficient and comfortable when not dominating the ball, which works great with a premier PG like Deron. The same can't be said of Johnson, who did not thrive last season in the complementary guard role, as he used to back in his PHX days. Despite being nearly 4 years older than ISO Joe, the Truth is still performing at a higher level, and played more games last year than JJ.

My point is this: I would like to avoid JJ and PP sharing a ton of court time, because I feel they are soooo similar. While neither is a liability defensively per se, they both struggle to guard smaller, quicker SGs or bigger, stronger SFs. With both in the starting lineup, we expose ourselves unnecessarily defensive end. I still envision JJ, PP and AK all getting at least 28mpg, but how we utilize them will dictate how opposition can and can't attack us.

Either way, I'm ordering my Pierce jersey before the season starts! Go Nets!

Williams, Pierce, Kirilenko, Garnett, Lopez
Johnson, Terry, Anderson, Evans, Blatche


Good post. Agree.

JJ has a weight problem???????


His recent pictures show he put on atleast 10 to 15 pounds of muscle. He has an upper body of The Rock or something. It's weird.
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Post#36 » by Quiet-Dude » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:16 am

JJ and Terry at the same time on the court w/o Lenko? I cant even imagine that.
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Post#37 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:25 am

Quiet-Dude wrote:JJ and Terry at the same time on the court w/o Lenko? I cant even imagine that.

Why not? There could easily be a small ball lineup (esp. when KG rests) of D-Will/Terry/JJ/AK/Lopez for 5-7 minute spurts.

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Post#38 » by exculpatory » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:00 pm

Paradise wrote:
exculpatory wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:Here's an idea: what about JOE JOHNSON coming off the bench, and Paul Pierce sliding back to the 2, as he played for years in Boston before Allen? I could see that working out as well, especially if JJ keeps ballooning like an oompa looompa!

We all know Pierce is more efficient and comfortable when not dominating the ball, which works great with a premier PG like Deron. The same can't be said of Johnson, who did not thrive last season in the complementary guard role, as he used to back in his PHX days. Despite being nearly 4 years older than ISO Joe, the Truth is still performing at a higher level, and played more games last year than JJ.

My point is this: I would like to avoid JJ and PP sharing a ton of court time, because I feel they are soooo similar. While neither is a liability defensively per se, they both struggle to guard smaller, quicker SGs or bigger, stronger SFs. With both in the starting lineup, we expose ourselves unnecessarily defensive end. I still envision JJ, PP and AK all getting at least 28mpg, but how we utilize them will dictate how opposition can and can't attack us.

Either way, I'm ordering my Pierce jersey before the season starts! Go Nets!

Williams, Pierce, Kirilenko, Garnett, Lopez
Johnson, Terry, Anderson, Evans, Blatche


Good post. Agree.

JJ has a weight problem???????


His recent pictures show he put on atleast 10 to 15 pounds of muscle. He has an upper body of The Rock or something. It's weird.


Great! Muscle is good!
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