Raps' Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread, Pt. 2

[LoveMyRaps]

Toronto IN: Greg Monroe, Vince Carter, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva, 1ST Round Pick 2014 (Dallas)
Toronto Out: Rudy Gay, Demar Derozan, 1ST Round Pick 2016 (NYK), Terrence Ross

Dallas IN: Terrence Ross, K. Caldwell Pope, 1ST Round Pick 2016 (NYK)
Dallas Out: Vince Carter, Jae Crowder

Detroit IN: Rudy Gay, Demar Derozan, Jae Crowder
Detroit Out: Greg Monroe, Rodney Stuckey, K. Caldwell Pope, Charlie Villanueva
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Thoughts on this deal??
I think its a pretty good deal.

Dallas gets rid of an expiring contract and receive 2 solid prospects!

Toronto gets rid of two overpaid players and receive a Greg Monroe one of the best young big men in the league, and ALSO an unprotected first rounder (which potentially could be a high pick) and VINSANITY RETURNS TO T.DOT (to finish off his career)

Detroit wants to contend! Give em Rudy and Demar!! A line up of Jennings/Derozan/Gay/Smith/Drummond is NASTYYY!!

doesnt make sense, KCP + Ross + A 1ST for VC? way way way way way too much

Did you even look at the trade?! Its KCP + Ross (has performed like sh*t) + NYK 1st 2016 (late first rounder) for VC + DAL unprotected 2014 (mid lottery pick and a dirk injury away from possibly a top 5 pick)

[sweetcity]

Toronto IN: Greg Monroe, Vince Carter, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva, 1ST Round Pick 2014 (Dallas)
Toronto Out: Rudy Gay, Demar Derozan, 1ST Round Pick 2016 (NYK), Terrence Ross

Dallas IN: Terrence Ross, K. Caldwell Pope, 1ST Round Pick 2016 (NYK)
Dallas Out: Vince Carter, Jae Crowder

Detroit IN: Rudy Gay, Demar Derozan, Jae Crowder
Detroit Out: Greg Monroe, Rodney Stuckey, K. Caldwell Pope, Charlie Villanueva
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Thoughts on this deal??
I think its a pretty good deal.

Dallas gets rid of an expiring contract and receive 2 solid prospects!

Toronto gets rid of two overpaid players and receive a Greg Monroe one of the best young big men in the league, and ALSO an unprotected first rounder (which potentially could be a high pick) and VINSANITY RETURNS TO T.DOT (to finish off his career)

Detroit wants to contend! Give em Rudy and Demar!! A line up of Jennings/Derozan/Gay/Smith/Drummond is NASTYYY!!

doesnt make sense, KCP + Ross + A 1ST for VC? way way way way way too much

Did you even look at the trade?! Its KCP + Ross (has performed like sh*t) + NYK 1st 2016 (late first rounder) for VC + DAL unprotected 2014 (mid lottery pick and a dirk injury away from possibly a top 5 pick)

ya and im saying it doesnt make sense bro - its a bad trade

[up n under]

Toronto IN: Greg Monroe, Vince Carter, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva, 1ST Round Pick 2014 (Dallas)
Toronto Out: Rudy Gay, Demar Derozan, 1ST Round Pick 2016 (NYK), Terrence Ross

Dallas IN: Terrence Ross, K. Caldwell Pope, 1ST Round Pick 2016 (NYK)
Dallas Out: Vince Carter, Jae Crowder

Detroit IN: Rudy Gay, Demar Derozan, Jae Crowder
Detroit Out: Greg Monroe, Rodney Stuckey, K. Caldwell Pope, Charlie Villanueva
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Thoughts on this deal??
I think its a pretty good deal.

Dallas gets rid of an expiring contract and receive 2 solid prospects!

Toronto gets rid of two overpaid players and receive a Greg Monroe one of the best young big men in the league, and ALSO an unprotected first rounder (which potentially could be a high pick) and VINSANITY RETURNS TO T.DOT (to finish off his career)

Detroit wants to contend! Give em Rudy and Demar!! A line up of Jennings/Derozan/Gay/Smith/Drummond is NASTYYY!!

Get this to MU NOW! lol. Very intriguing trade. Not sure what others think is so bad about it.
We give up our 2 biggest contracts, get Monroe, 3 expiring contracts, and a 2014 pick.... this is a great deal for us. not to mention VC comes home!

Looks like a fair trade to all 3 teams imo.

[up n under]

doesnt make sense, KCP + Ross + A 1ST for VC? way way way way way too much

Did you even look at the trade?! Its KCP + Ross (has performed like sh*t) + NYK 1st 2016 (late first rounder) for VC + DAL unprotected 2014 (mid lottery pick and a dirk injury away from possibly a top 5 pick)

ya and im saying it doesnt make sense bro - its a bad trade

why doesnt it make sense? and who is it a bad trade for?

[LoveMyRaps]

Did you even look at the trade?! Its KCP + Ross (has performed like sh*t) + NYK 1st 2016 (late first rounder) for VC + DAL unprotected 2014 (mid lottery pick and a dirk injury away from possibly a top 5 pick)

ya and im saying it doesnt make sense bro - its a bad trade

why doesnt it make sense? and who is it a bad trade for?

@Sweetcity You might wanna back your sh*t up. Give us reasons why its a bad trade...

[sweetcity]

ya and im saying it doesnt make sense bro - its a bad trade

why doesnt it make sense? and who is it a bad trade for?

@Sweetcity You might wanna back your sh*t up. Give us reasons why its a bad trade...

its over paying the Mavs dramatically. Ross + KCP for a 1st in the 12-16 range and an expiring in VC?

[up n under]

why doesnt it make sense? and who is it a bad trade for?

@Sweetcity You might wanna back your sh*t up. Give us reasons why its a bad trade...

its over paying the Mavs dramatically. Ross + KCP for a 1st in the 12-16 range and an expiring in VC?

dallas is giving up their 2014 to toronto though.

edit - misread what you wrote. though it said AND a 1st.
but this is why its a decent trade for all 3 teams. makes it a better scenario if every team feels they improved in some way

[LoveMyRaps]

why doesnt it make sense? and who is it a bad trade for?

@Sweetcity You might wanna back your sh*t up. Give us reasons why its a bad trade...

its over paying the Mavs dramatically. Ross + KCP for a 1st in the 12-16 range and an expiring in VC?

Overpaying Dallas? I highly disagree with that.

- Vince Carter had a PER of 18 last season. He can still ball!

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YRaOdVEiIUc[/YouTube]

- That 1st rounder at worst is a pick in the 12-15 range. Its a a Dirk injury away (which is likely) from becoming a pick in the 5-10 range.

- Terrence Ross has been nothing but a disappointment thus far. He's certainly got the potential to be an elite SG in this league. Still very young!

- KCP went 8th overall in one of the weakest drafts of the decade. He's young, got potential! Loved him in Georgia!

Put it this way, you think Terrence Ross is worth a 2014 lottery pick? No.
What about KCP? No.

So if anything KCP + Ross for VC + Dallas 1st is a bit of a bad deal for the Mavs, thats why we also send them our NYK 2016 1st Round pick.

As for the Raptors, Vince makes his return! WHICH IS HUGEEEEE!
Wiggins favorite player has always been Vince.. AND Wiggins did hint he'll try to force his way to the Raptors.
So you have think that if we got Vince...the chances of Wiggins forcing his way to the Raptors increases.

Come draft night we'll be a lovely position. Two lottery picks! And this is why i believe this is a solid deal for both Mavs and Raptors.

[pbj]

I want to nuclear bomb this thread.

So much:

[sweetcity]

I want to nuclear bomb this thread.

So much:

why? Its fun, if it stresses you out, stop reading it.

[LoveMyRaps]

I want to nuclear bomb this thread.

So much:

then GTFO..

[Brettfinch]

OKC and Toronto

Toronto gets:
Serge Ibaka 23
Thabo Sefalosha 29
Hasheem Thabeet 26

OKC gets:
DeMar DeRozan 24
Amir Johnson 26
Landry Fields 25
2016 1st round

We get much better defensively and better at spacing the floor. Rebounding doesn't really change and we get a back up center. And in Thabo we have a three and d guy.

OKC gets scoring help in DeRozan still has a good defending big in amir and a guy Landry where he could return to rookie season form. And to really make it equal add the 1st round pick.

The big deal in this would be Ibaka he wouldn't cram the middle for Val or Gay and with demar gone it really leaves more room for Gay to work

Feel free to critique

[sweetcity]

OKC and Toronto

Toronto gets:
Serge Ibaka 23
Thabo Sefalosha 29
Hasheem Thabeet 26

OKC gets:
DeMar DeRozan 24
Amir Johnson 26
Landry Fields 25
2016 1st round

We get much better defensively and better at spacing the floor. Rebounding doesn't really change and we get a back up center. And in Thabo we have a three and d guy.

OKC gets scoring help in DeRozan still has a good defending big in amir and a guy Landry where he could return to rookie season form. And to really make it equal add the 1st round pick.

The big deal in this would be Ibaka he wouldn't cram the middle for Val or Gay and with demar gone it really leaves more room for Gay to work

Feel free to critique

my problem with it is OKC invested in Ibaka and weren't able to keep Harden. Mentally, trading Ibaka for DD and not retaining Harden seems like a tough pill to swallow

[Brettfinch]

OKC and Toronto

Toronto gets:
Serge Ibaka 23
Thabo Sefalosha 29
Hasheem Thabeet 26

OKC gets:
DeMar DeRozan 24
Amir Johnson 26
Landry Fields 25
2016 1st round

We get much better defensively and better at spacing the floor. Rebounding doesn't really change and we get a back up center. And in Thabo we have a three and d guy.

OKC gets scoring help in DeRozan still has a good defending big in amir and a guy Landry where he could return to rookie season form. And to really make it equal add the 1st round pick.

The big deal in this would be Ibaka he wouldn't cram the middle for Val or Gay and with demar gone it really leaves more room for Gay to work

Feel free to critique

my problem with it is OKC invested in Ibaka and weren't able to keep Harden. Mentally, trading Ibaka for DD and not retaining Harden seems like a tough pill to swallow

Thinking of it that way makes sense and really shows one of the negatives to OKC but in a perfect world I think it would be nice for both sides, but yes very much a downgrade from harden.

[Ice102]

Creative but OKC wouldn't agree to it. Ibaka, like mentioned, is an investment for them and they chose him over Harden for a reason. And he's better than Amir. And will get better as he gets more experienced. Further, you're expecting Landry to just 'return to rookie form'. Big assumption and one that OKC would be hard pressed to buy. Then, you're taking away their best perimeter defender (and one of their best 3-point scorers) in Thabo and switching him with the big contract, weak defensively, poor shooting DeMar DeRozan.

In other words, OKC declines this.

[Brettfinch]

Creative but OKC wouldn't agree to it. Ibaka, like mentioned, is an investment for them and they chose him over Harden for a reason. And he's better than Amir. And will get better as he gets more experienced. Further, you're expecting Landry to just 'return to rookie form'. Big assumption and one that OKC would be hard pressed to buy. Then, you're taking away their best perimeter defender (and one of their best 3-point scorers) in Thabo and switching him with the big contract, weak defensively, poor shooting DeMar DeRozan.

In other words, OKC declines this.

But let's put it in perspective there is lots of youth and some quality assets all four of them from us and to OKC but from them ur really only getting two assets and one that is on the decline it's just a trade that hits all the spots we are looking to fill but thank u for the comments

[sweetcity]

Creative but OKC wouldn't agree to it. Ibaka, like mentioned, is an investment for them and they chose him over Harden for a reason. And he's better than Amir. And will get better as he gets more experienced. Further, you're expecting Landry to just 'return to rookie form'. Big assumption and one that OKC would be hard pressed to buy. Then, you're taking away their best perimeter defender (and one of their best 3-point scorers) in Thabo and switching him with the big contract, weak defensively, poor shooting DeMar DeRozan.

In other words, OKC declines this.

But let's put it in perspective there is lots of youth and some quality assets all four of them from us and to OKC but from them ur really only getting two assets and one that is on the decline it's just a trade that hits all the spots we are looking to fill but thank u for the comments

In terms of dealing with OKC I think your probably better off making trade suggestions that include Perkins (a bad contract) and Lamb / Jones.

Something like

Perkins + Lamb + Jones + filler

For DD + Amir

Thats actually not a bad trade if we are tanking. Lamb IMO has more upside then DD. DD is also friends with Harden and they could use a solid 6th man in DD.

[Ice102]

Creative but OKC wouldn't agree to it. Ibaka, like mentioned, is an investment for them and they chose him over Harden for a reason. And he's better than Amir. And will get better as he gets more experienced. Further, you're expecting Landry to just 'return to rookie form'. Big assumption and one that OKC would be hard pressed to buy. Then, you're taking away their best perimeter defender (and one of their best 3-point scorers) in Thabo and switching him with the big contract, weak defensively, poor shooting DeMar DeRozan.

In other words, OKC declines this.

But let's put it in perspective there is lots of youth and some quality assets all four of them from us and to OKC but from them ur really only getting two assets and one that is on the decline it's just a trade that hits all the spots we are looking to fill but thank u for the comments

No need to thank me for the comments. I always appreciate new trade ideas as it's something that interests me and you seem knowledgeable and polite.

In terms of the trade though, OKC is giving away a 23 year old power forward who has the potential to be a perennial all-star and a defensive stopper, whom they have his bird rights to, that is not yet on a decline (look at how long Bruce Bowen, a similar 3&D player lasted in the league and excelled).

I agree - the Raptors would love to do this trade. But OKC has no reason to. They are giving up the two most valuable assets in this deal and as a contending team especially, you just can't do that.

-Ice

[Brettfinch]

Just wanted some opinions on a potential trade I found to be reasonable and fair on both sides:


Tor:
G demar derozan
PF Amir Johnson
SF Landry fields

Chi:
PF Carlos boozer
SG Kirk hinrich
C nazr Mohammed
2015 1st round pick.

This trade would need nazr Mohammed to accept the trade which I don't really see as an issue but who knows.

For the raptors this trade is a good one because, okay first off boozer replaces Amir, yes older but he's an fa in 15' and for the 2 years we'd have him he'd still be putting up 16&9 and add a significant veteran presence.

Also, we are essentially dumping demars contract as well as fields' and in return we get hinrichs and mohammeds expiring contracts, in the short term hinrich is a better defender then demar, a better passer and a better shooter and I believe would fit into our system perfectly. He wouldn't need nearly as many touches and those touches would go straight to Jonas and Rudy.

And nazr is on the vets min. And is expiring after this season in the short term he would provide depth at the center incase Jonas were to get hurt, which is a lot safer then having just Aaron gray as our backup, nazr also adds veteran leadership and defence.

In terms of breaking this trade down from a technical/financial standpoint well were dumping cap and gaining a quality PF for 2 years and with the extra cap we could easily go after a solid 2 guard in the 2014 free agency(maybe not necessary if ross develops like were all praying he will) and with a decent draft pick in the 2014 draft and the development of our young guys this season, we'd be a solid play off team next season, all the while building for the future with the 2015 1st overall pick and adding minutes for Ross as he'd have a good chance of gaining playing time If he's behind only hinrich, and Jonas would get more touches without demar which would also help his development.

[SkywalkerAC]

Any reason why that you wouldn't make that their 2014 pick?