JV at EuroBasket 2013 is Done, Lithuania Gets Silver

[Patman]

I honestly think that in a couple years, Jonas will be a top-5 pick in fantasy hoops. I think in two years it's realistic to expect:

15ppg
10rpg
1.5bpg
55% FG
80% FT

Those are crazy numbers in fantasy! Compared to a guy like Dwight (nowhere near the free throw efficiency) and Dirk (lower FG% and rebounding), that's the making of an elite fantasy player.

I'm not saying he'll be a top-5 nba player, but kind of like how Shawn Marion used to be a top 3 fantasy guy and a top 20 player

This. I used to kill fantasy ball with guys like Marion and Andrei Kirilenko, while bigger name guys like VC and Iverson were taken too high by others.

[pbj]

I honestly think that in a couple years, Jonas will be a top-5 pick in fantasy hoops. I think in two years it's realistic to expect:

15ppg
10rpg
1.5bpg
55% FG
80% FT

Those are crazy numbers in fantasy! Compared to a guy like Dwight (nowhere near the free throw efficiency) and Dirk (lower FG% and rebounding), that's the making of an elite fantasy player.

I'm not saying he'll be a top-5 nba player, but kind of like how Shawn Marion used to be a top 3 fantasy guy and a top 20 player

This. I used to kill fantasy ball with guys like Marion and Andrei Kirilenko, while bigger name guys like VC and Iverson were taken too high by others.

That FT% and the number of attempts he gets up per game is gonna win you that Cat. every week. It's almost unfair.. I can't remember the last time there was a guy who got you traditional C stats (Pts, reb, FG%, blk) and also helped you in FT%.

[pbj]

For those of you too excited about Val:

2. The coach said Val is for now incapable of always beating most of his opponents playing 1 against 1, especially in tough competition, yet has very little skill playing sets. So, they have to coach him back into basketball common sense...

He's been killing everyone 1 on 1. Where does this come from?

Yup. They are developing him into a post player. Before he was primarily a guy who ran the floor & scored on the pick n roll.

I's amazing how much better JV's post game looks since the beginning of last season.

If you are a post player, you don't necessarily have to be "fluid". To me Tim Duncan looks very mechanical & he's one of the best big men of all time. Other than Hakeem & Sabonis, which of the all time great C's looked "fluid"? Shaq, Duncan, Ewing, Mutombo.......all far from graceful.

All of this stuff is nonsense. I get the feeling that Lithuania has a vision of how they want JV to play & the NBA has another. At the end of the day JV is going to make his money playing in the NBA. If he wants to make big money & be considered one of the top players in the world, he'll have to do what's best for his NBA career development.

I've really enjoyed how Lithuania has used JV so far. I hope they continue.

It's all about JV developing some go-to moves. I mean, scoring on pick-and-rolls, drive and kicks and off rebounds is very efficient and very effective - and definitely skills he needs to hold on to - but not something you can consistently PLAN to do. If he is ever going to reach his potential as a scorer, we need to be able to dump it into him.

[UcanUwill]

I bet Jonas doesn't look that good in practices, they dont have refs, he cant draw fouls But seriously.

I just dont get why Lithuanians has such a problem. Weren't they paying attention what hes been doing on the court, in the NBA and what not. He struggles with double teams at times, but he is also the only one who draws double teams, and is still the most productive. I know they want to improve the play, but they kinda sound like me when I was 7. - ''My genesis works just fine, but if I dismantle it... I dont what I gonna do next, but I gonna do it anyway''.

Are they criticizing other players? D-Mo? D-Mo has more shot attempts than points, and hes been playing against same competition as Jonas. Same with the rest.
They continuously and publicly nitpicking their by FAR the most productive player. They don't have to say this publicly every day. He gives you 27/16 per 36 minutes so far on 70 TS%, and you have to coach him back into basketball? How more pretentious can you get?

[Alfred]

I bet Jonas doesn't look that good in practices, they dont have refs, he cant draw fouls But seriously.

I just dont get why Lithuanians has such a problem. Weren't they paying attention what hes been doing on the court, in the NBA and what not. He struggles with double teams at times, but he is also the only one who draws double teams, and is still the most productive. I know they want to improve the play, but they kinda sound like me when I was 7. - ''My genesis works just fine, but if I dismantle it... I dont what I gonna do next, but I gonna do it anyway''.

Are they criticizing other players? D-Mo? D-Mo has more shot attempts than points, and hes been playing against same competition as Jonas. Same with the rest.
They continuously nitpicking their by FAR the most productive player. He gives you 27/16 per 36 minutes so far on 70 TS%, and you have to coach him back into basketball.? How more pretentious can you get?

Yeah, that's the thing that makes no sense. He has been dominating the competition, and has been doing it largely as a result of the stuff the Raptors' training staff is responsible for: his body/conditioning, and his improved back to the basket game.

Perhaps the Lithuanian coach is trying to draw attention away from Lithuania's guard play, which has been pretty horrific.

[fredericklove]

I honestly think that in a couple years, Jonas will be a top-5 pick in fantasy hoops. I think in two years it's realistic to expect:

15ppg
10rpg
1.5bpg
55% FG
80% FT

Those are crazy numbers in fantasy! Compared to a guy like Dwight (nowhere near the free throw efficiency) and Dirk (lower FG% and rebounding), that's the making of an elite fantasy player.

I'm not saying he'll be a top-5 nba player, but kind of like how Shawn Marion used to be a top 3 fantasy guy and a top 20 player

This. I used to kill fantasy ball with guys like Marion and Andrei Kirilenko, while bigger name guys like VC and Iverson were taken too high by others.

That FT% and the number of attempts he gets up per game is gonna win you that Cat. every week. It's almost unfair.. I can't remember the last time there was a guy who got you traditional C stats (Pts, reb, FG%, blk) and also helped you in FT%.

Pau Gasol?

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[pbj]

This. I used to kill fantasy ball with guys like Marion and Andrei Kirilenko, while bigger name guys like VC and Iverson were taken too high by others.

That FT% and the number of attempts he gets up per game is gonna win you that Cat. every week. It's almost unfair.. I can't remember the last time there was a guy who got you traditional C stats (Pts, reb, FG%, blk) and also helped you in FT%.

Pau Gasol?

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Look man.. it's early. I don't remember much at this hour.

[Kastas]

The coach is concerned that JV's ability to bulldoze opponents is not enough to succeed in this championship.

[HSOB SIRHC]

the coach is honestly a dumb ass, he wont even give chance for dmo to play in the post, even though thats one of the main reasons to keep Dmo in the court. He prolly thinks that neither JV/Dmo can play as finishers, and wants them to play as pick & roll energy guys.

I def want to see D-Mo in the post. He's a better post player than JV, at least in terms of skills. JV relies too much on overpowering his opponent whereas D-Mo has great footwork and skills. Against a good defender I think that D-No would be more effective. I do hate when D-Mo shoots 3s, he's not a good shooter from there.

Dmo might be more fluid and have better footwork, but I think JV has the softer touch, which is why I'm more comfortable with JV working in the post than I am with Dmo. Give me the finisher over the one with the flashy moves.

[LLJ]

That FT% and the number of attempts he gets up per game is gonna win you that Cat. every week. It's almost unfair.. I can't remember the last time there was a guy who got you traditional C stats (Pts, reb, FG%, blk) and also helped you in FT%.

Pau Gasol?

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Look man.. it's early. I don't remember much at this hour.

Yao?

[pbj]

Pau Gasol?

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Look man.. it's early. I don't remember much at this hour.

Yao?

Yo!

[Mototaupa]

I bet Jonas doesn't look that good in practices, they dont have refs, he cant draw fouls But seriously.

I just dont get why Lithuanians has such a problem. Weren't they paying attention what hes been doing on the court, in the NBA and what not. He struggles with double teams at times, but he is also the only one who draws double teams, and is still the most productive. I know they want to improve the play, but they kinda sound like me when I was 7. - ''My genesis works just fine, but if I dismantle it... I dont what I gonna do next, but I gonna do it anyway''.

Are they criticizing other players? D-Mo? D-Mo has more shot attempts than points, and hes been playing against same competition as Jonas. Same with the rest.
They continuously and publicly nitpicking their by FAR the most productive player. They don't have to say this publicly every day. He gives you 27/16 per 36 minutes so far on 70 TS%, and you have to coach him back into basketball? How more pretentious can you get?

We dont have such big problem, just Sabas and Kazlas always express theyr opinion loudly, and im sory if it isnt same as yours.
I can bet everyone has to say something negative about D-mo too, but media asks about JV, they get answers about JV, what do you expect ? or you think coach should say : Jonas is great, but D-mo on other hand...
And cmon, BC and DC trowed under the bus same player with similar stats in NBA all year last year, best pearls : Andrea for rebounding, Gray for defence, and if there playoff, JV would have sitted much more...
And why we nitpick him the most ? because we expect the most from him. Half of NT is nitpicked to insanity, there nofing more too talk about Bros or Delininkaitis, other half doesn't have half of JV potential...

[VanGuard]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

Gallery from their training session in Greece.

[Clutch Carter]

I bet Jonas doesn't look that good in practices, they dont have refs, he cant draw fouls But seriously.

I just dont get why Lithuanians has such a problem. Weren't they paying attention what hes been doing on the court, in the NBA and what not. He struggles with double teams at times, but he is also the only one who draws double teams, and is still the most productive. I know they want to improve the play, but they kinda sound like me when I was 7. - ''My genesis works just fine, but if I dismantle it... I dont what I gonna do next, but I gonna do it anyway''.

Are they criticizing other players? D-Mo? D-Mo has more shot attempts than points, and hes been playing against same competition as Jonas. Same with the rest.
They continuously and publicly nitpicking their by FAR the most productive player. They don't have to say this publicly every day. He gives you 27/16 per 36 minutes so far on 70 TS%, and you have to coach him back into basketball? How more pretentious can you get?

Honestly it seems like their coaching staff is just taking shots at the Raps staff through Val, which is odd considering how well he has been playing.

Maybe this stems from that whole not releasing Val early thing, who knows.

[Volcano]

Honestly it seems like their coaching staff is just taking shots at the Raps staff through Val, which is odd considering how well he has been playing.

Maybe this stems from that whole not releasing Val early thing, who knows.

I feel like they're taking a shot at the Raps organization too, but I also think they're giving constructive criticism. When they're saying JV is doing great and are content with him standing pat, that's when you have to worry.

He should have the mentality of staying hungry and continuously improving. When he faces tougher defense, it won't be as easy, so even if he can dominate through physical play now, practicing a more finesse game might not be such a bad thing.

I like that they're nitpicking on JV more than other players and I agree with the premise of what they're saying. If it was said to someone with a pussy mentality or no confidence, then I'd understand refraining from criticism, but JV can handle it and I think if he takes it to heart, he'll benefit from it.

[UcanUwill]

^^
I Agree with this attitude. However, they can motivate JV behind closed doors, why they have to use media and further brainwash those fans.
If you wouldn't know any better, you would think Jonas is the most regressed player of their team.

[rfan]

^^
I Agree with this attitude. However, they can motivate JV behind closed doors, why they have to use media and further brainwash those fans.
If you wouldn't know any better, you would think Jonas is the most regressed player of their team.

didnt they talked about how Jonas cant play pick&roll anymore? its not like Lithuania have any PG that can actually play P&R either. Lithuanian PG's are beyond terrible.

[Mototaupa]

^^
I Agree with this attitude. However, they can motivate JV behind closed doors, why they have to use media and further brainwash those fans.
If you wouldn't know any better, you would think Jonas is the most regressed player of their team.

didnt they talked about how Jonas cant play pick&roll anymore? its not like Lithuania have any PG that can actually play P&R either. Lithuanian PG's are beyond terrible.

Somehow he managed to play better pick and roll in all previuos years with same PG's exept Jasikevicius. (Kalnietis was on last mens team, Cizauskas was JV's main pnr guy for 5 years.....) It looks to me that you guys can't take critics. Nobody is crucyfiing JV or Raptors, but there are some things that might be done better, there are some things too fix. Thats all im seeing. And i think BC spoiled you with hes snake tongue, all you wanna hear now that everything is perfect and Raptors are 1 year of internal growth short too become champs. Sorry no. I will go even further, DC should say that Demar has tunel vision, Maisai should agree that Rudy gets too much money. Only blind people dont see it, and if those guys gets called uot, maybe something will tick deep inside of them. Because now everything and anyone is GREAT, but playoffs not seen 5 years, real chance too compete atleast 3 years away. Thats 8 years window of sucking and mediocricy. Dont think its what you guys wanna from your team.

[KarolisJ]

Game against Italy (without Bargnani) starts in an hour. Double double for Jonas today

[UcanUwill]

How many times Cizauskas and JV actually ran pick and roll? Guy never was pick and roll guard and their duo was never good at it. Now it is JVs fault all of sudden. rfan is absolutely right.

Everyone is aware Raptors suck you troll, and we can spot when the coaches says something out of touch. DC says it all the time, and so is Kazlauskas in this case.