Wiretap: Dwyane Wade Plans To Sign Long-Term With Heat

[fishfuego.]

If Wade is able to stay healthy this season, may God (if you subscribe to that sort of thing) have mercy on their souls.

I'm laughing out loud. I get the impression that some folks think early 30's is old when in reality some athletes reach their peaks at such age.

IMO the problem with Wade has been his weight, if he loses about 10 to 15 or even 20 pounds, watch out! Top 5 for sure and top 3 is realistic.

[Mars]

I'm laughing out loud. I get the impression that some folks think early 30's is old when in reality some athletes reach their peaks at such age...

Early 30's isn't old. Age isn't the issue. Wade's issue is he's been injury prone throughout his career. He's said as much himself just recently. Those knees seemed to have become a problem once he bulked up from the extra muscle mass.

...IMO the problem with Wade has been his weight, if he loses about 10 to 15 or even 20 pounds, watch out! Top 5 for sure and top 3 is realistic.

It's precisely why this was Riley's first statement about Wade a few days after winning the title...

"He’s going to get down to 212 pounds next year and he’s going to come back and reinvent himself and everyone is going to say 'Wow,'" Riley said at the end of the NBA Finals on Dan Le Batard’s radio show.

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...All the extra weight equals unnecessary and undue stress on the knees. Riley identified the problem and understands the solution.

[HIF]

for all the Bron only fans I'd just like to say

Dwyane Wade BITW

[WiseOwlWins]

eh, Lebron's being overrated.

Yeah the Heat suffer when LeBron has a bad game. This is because we have revolved everything around him now.

How about we switch things up, and revolve everything around a healthy Wade? Then, LeBron can have a bad game, and the Heat can still win, and you all will sit there saying "Wade is carrying Miami"

And I don't believe nobody is at LeBron's level. Wade is just as good when healthy. In fact, Wade is a better playmaker.


Just came in here to spit some truth.

Truthfully... D Wade first needs to perform better than about 6 or 7 other guys in this league and not just for a stretch, but an entire season and THEN carry that into the you know, playoffs.

These are D Wades primary defenders in the post season.

Monta Ellis
Belinelli
Stephenson
Green/Manu

And this is what he averaged

15.9 ppg

Are you really comfortable with calling him better than Lebron, yet alone a top 5 player?

I have D Wade in Derrick Rose territory at this point... both are BIG question marks.

again your bias shows when you dont even mention the fact that he played with an injury that sidelined chris paul for a month. just pipe down with the anti wade bs already. if you are going to ask wade for something. ask him to be healthy because when he was healthy he was the 2nd best player on this team by a very narrow margin. he was literally right behind lebron during that 27 game streak. which is why it's pivotal he be healthy come playoff time.

and he isnt in the same realm as rose. rose tore ligaments. wade bruised his bones which only can be healed by time off, which he's been getting.

[heatchamp45]

The big 3 was needed to win a championship.....All three of them.....If one didnt play we do not win this year...

It was either a last second shot to win a game . A key block by bosh.....or huge rebound and pass to ray who hit the huge 3......wade had a couple of great games out there.

We needed every single one of them. Even battier single last game that he hit all the 3s when needed.....If he doesnt play the last game.....It would remain to be seen if we even win that last game.

Some of you need to stop BYTCHING about who is better or who stays and enjoy that we are champs two times in a row.

And hope all three of them stay.

[fast-break]

eh, Lebron's being overrated.

Yeah the Heat suffer when LeBron has a bad game. This is because we have revolved everything around him now.

How about we switch things up, and revolve everything around a healthy Wade? Then, LeBron can have a bad game, and the Heat can still win, and you all will sit there saying "Wade is carrying Miami"

And I don't believe nobody is at LeBron's level. Wade is just as good when healthy. In fact, Wade is a better playmaker.


Just came in here to spit some truth.

Truthfully... D Wade first needs to perform better than about 6 or 7 other guys in this league and not just for a stretch, but an entire season and THEN carry that into the you know, playoffs.

These are D Wades primary defenders in the post season.

Monta Ellis
Belinelli
Stephenson
Green/Manu

And this is what he averaged

15.9 ppg

Are you really comfortable with calling him better than Lebron, yet alone a top 5 player?

I have D Wade in Derrick Rose territory at this point... both are BIG question marks.

again your bias shows when you dont even mention the fact that he played with an injury that sidelined chris paul for a month. just pipe down with the anti wade bs already. if you are going to ask wade for something. ask him to be healthy because when he was healthy he was the 2nd best player on this team by a very narrow margin. he was literally right behind lebron during that 27 game streak. which is why it's pivotal he be healthy come playoff time.

and he isnt in the same realm as rose. rose tore ligaments. wade bruised his bones which only can be healed by time off, which he's been getting.

No agenda here. If you think D Wade is top 3, best in the league or whatever, feel free. Everyone has their rankings and opinion. I don't really care, save the butt hurt for someone else.

[GreenHat]

I do agree with you that you did choose your words poorly.

But no a role player can still win a game. Again Tony Delk had 50 points. He won that game as a role player. It wasn't because other players were attracting more attention, especially as that game wore on. Tony Delk really won them that game. That's the point a role player can win you a game. I'm not arguing against your a a star player can draw attention and have a bigger impact even if their numbers are lower. No one is arguing that.

Now you are saying "a star player can produce big games at all against anybody" which isn't true either. We've seen ample evidence to the contrary.

So this whole debate was about my poor choice of words? You must be bored.

So star players can't produce at will? Show me the examples of the contrary and not just one game like your pathetic Tony Delk attempt.

I just pointed out you were factually wrong. You could have just dropped it and said that isn't what you meant. You were the one who continued it even though you know what you said was wrong.

Star players can't produce big games at will against anybody. You really need examples of this or is it just you poorly choosing your words again?

How often have you made excuses for Wade not having a big game? I guarantee he wanted to have big games in those games even if he was limited by injury. Lebron wanted to have big games in every game against the Mavs. All those games that Bosh was nearly invisible in, he wanted to to have big games. So apparently a player can't have a big game at will against any team and there are hundreds of examples.

You said a role player can't win a game like a star player can. I showed an example that directly proved you wrong. It wasn't pathetic it was the perfect example. You still arguing after being proven factually wrong is pathetic.

[DWadeno3]

I just pointed out you were factually wrong. You could have just dropped it and said that isn't what you meant. You were the one who continued it even though you know what you said was wrong.

Star players can't produce big games at will against anybody. You really need examples of this or is it just you poorly choosing your words again?

How often have you made excuses for Wade not having a big game? I guarantee he wanted to have big games in those games even if he was limited by injury. Lebron wanted to have big games in every game against the Mavs. All those games that Bosh was nearly invisible in, he wanted to to have big games. So apparently a player can't have a big game at will against any team and there are hundreds of examples.

You said a role player can't win a game like a star player can. I showed an example that directly proved you wrong. It wasn't pathetic it was the perfect example. You still arguing after being proven factually wrong is pathetic.

I did say my choice of words was wrong, you could've just admitted that you didn't quite understand my original point and let it drop.
And yeah, one example out of the thousands of games that have been played really proves my point wrong.

LeBron had big games against the Mavericks he just ran out of gas, Bosh had big games when he put his mind to it, but his role often doesn't even give him a chance to play big and Wade had big games when he received cortisone injections. Of course physical limitations in terms of injury limit everybody, but Wade actually proved my point right. He had big games at will when his body was somewhat doing what it was supposed to do. Of course when you can't do the things you wanna do physically, no human being can get past that, but I figured that kind of spoke for itself as well. I also figured it spoke for itself that a star wouldn't force anything at the detriment of his team, at least not if he is a smart one a la Bosh.

[GreenHat]

I just pointed out you were factually wrong. You could have just dropped it and said that isn't what you meant. You were the one who continued it even though you know what you said was wrong.

Star players can't produce big games at will against anybody. You really need examples of this or is it just you poorly choosing your words again?

How often have you made excuses for Wade not having a big game? I guarantee he wanted to have big games in those games even if he was limited by injury. Lebron wanted to have big games in every game against the Mavs. All those games that Bosh was nearly invisible in, he wanted to to have big games. So apparently a player can't have a big game at will against any team and there are hundreds of examples.

You said a role player can't win a game like a star player can. I showed an example that directly proved you wrong. It wasn't pathetic it was the perfect example. You still arguing after being proven factually wrong is pathetic.

I did say my choice of words was wrong, you could've just admitted that you didn't quite understand my original point and let it drop.
And yeah, one example out of the thousands of games that have been played really proves my point wrong.

I did understand your original point that you posted. What you wrote was proven wrong. Why would I admit I didn't understand your original point? Sorry I can't read your mind and I just assume that what you type is what you mean.

Again its you who made the mistake and should have dropped it. I still have no idea why this is continuing.

And yes one example does really prove your point wrong when you say that someone CANNOT do something. If I say Wade CANNOT dunk a basketball, it only takes one example of him dunking a basketball to prove me wrong. I'm sorry that you do not understand basic logic. One example of a role player winning a game for his team proves that a role player can win a game for his team.

I await you trying to backpedal and play a stupid game of semantics.

LeBron had big games against the Mavericks he just ran out of gas, Bosh had big games when he put his mind to it, but his role often doesn't even give him a chance to play big and Wade had big games when he received cortisone injections. Of course physical limitations in terms of injury limit everybody, but Wade actually proved my point right. He had big games at will when his body was somewhat doing what it was supposed to do. Of course when you can't do the things you wanna do physically, no human being can get past that, but I figured that kind of spoke for itself as well. I also figured it spoke for itself that a star wouldn't force anything at the detriment of his team, at least not if he is a smart one a la Bosh.[/quote]

Again you don't understand basic logic.

If you say that a star player can have a big game at will against any team then any game that the player wants to have a big game he can have a big game. This is obviously not the case. You said yourself that Lebron had big games against the Mavericks, BUT he also had some games that weren't so big. Do you really think he didn't want to have big games in every game he plays in the finals?

There have been plenty of games where Bosh could have had a big game to the benefit of the team and didn't. To think he just didn't want to is absurd. You think he didn't want to have a big game in that 4/18 game?

With Wade there is no point discussing him with you because you are the biggest homer/apologist for him so in your mind he has never not had a big game without some kind of excuse so lets take him out of the discussion since you can't be objective at all there.

Still Lebron is the biggest star in the game. There is absolutely no denying that he is a star. And even he can't have a big game at will against every team. The lesser star players like Bosh have even less of a chance of being able to have a big game whenever they want. To say a star player can have a big game at will against any team is just factually wrong.

[DWadeno3]

Again you don't understand basic logic.

If you say that a star player can have a big game at will against any team then any game that the player wants to have a big game he can have a big game. This is obviously not the case. You said yourself that Lebron had big games against the Mavericks, BUT he also had some games that weren't so big. Do you really think he didn't want to have big games in every game he plays in the finals?

There have been plenty of games where Bosh could have had a big game to the benefit of the team and didn't. To think he just didn't want to is absurd. You think he didn't want to have a big game in that 4/18 game?

With Wade there is no point discussing him with you because you are the biggest homer/apologist for him so in your mind he has never not had a big game without some kind of excuse so lets take him out of the discussion since you can't be objective at all there.

Still Lebron is the biggest star in the game. There is absolutely no denying that he is a star. And even he can't have a big game at will against every team. The lesser star players like Bosh have even less of a chance of being able to have a big game whenever they want. To say a star player can have a big game at will against any team is just factually wrong.

EDIT: For the sake of avoiding several pages of pointless debating similar to the Spo thread, I'll just let this drop.

[ifrosty13]

This thread still exists?

[HIF]

Greenhat has his secretary working OT.




just a joke man.