Caron Butler traded to Bucks for Ish Smith and Kratsov

[JimmyTheKid]

I really not lamenting the Bledsoe deal. That said just because the guy that spent 2 years laying out the case of why Lebron James was never going to win championship ad nauseum says "never" doesn't mean it's actually "never".

Who did that?

Adrain Wojnarowski

Wow. Had no idea. Just lost a ton of respect for Woj. I know "The Decision" temporarily turned reasonable people into complete idiots, but I had no idea Woj was one of them. Hilarious.

[ackypoo]

we've been burned so bad by skiles the attitude that we shouldnt take on anyone that could block minutes from young guys has me cracking up.

hopefully our new coaches arent as clueless as posted by a few others itt.

[emunney]

Fair amount of shots? Lol, it was practically his whole career there for a while. I'm guessing you were amongst those giddy every time he came up with a new hit piece.

Not sure to whom or what you think you're responding here, so let's recap.

You: Woj said LeBron will never win a championship, so it doesn't mean anything that he said we never had a shot at Bledsoe.
Me: He took more than his fair share of shots at LeBron, but he never said LeBron would never win a championship.
You: A fair amount of shots? You probably loved all those shots he took.

Can you see why I might think you're crazy?

No. But I also can't SE why you taking personal shots at someone because they called into question your favorite yahoo hack.

I don't care how you view Woj. I personally thought his hit pieces were just that and often went over the line, but I also know that he breaks more stories than anybody else in the business.

My point is that you used something false to make a point and now are ranting about something totally different.

[JimmyTheKid]

Ahhhh yes! The "we weren't wrong about Lebron, Lebron just changed" argument. I love that one. It's very hard for people to just admit they were wrong. That is a tremendous example of it.

I always loved that argument, too.

[LUKE23]

If anyone cares, we are currently $1,955,332 under the cap after this move. $16,789,548 in expirings.

[emunney]

Ahhhh yes! The "we weren't wrong about Lebron, Lebron just changed" argument. I love that one. It's very hard for people to just admit they were wrong. That is a tremendous example of it.

I always loved that argument, too.

I would love for either of you to return to the point Buckrageous made, which was that Woj for two years claimed that LeBron would never win a championship. I would accept one unqualified sentence as evidence of that.

Otherwise, I don't think there's a case to be made that LeBron hasn't become a lot mentally tougher or that he hasn't expanded his skill set since he was younger. I watched him fold like a cheap tent in Boston in 2010. His game 5 was the most disappointed I've ever been in a basketball player precisely because he was and had been the undeniably (to my mind) best player in the game for years already. And he had no post game then. Now he's arguably the best post player in the league. You two are honestly making the claim that LeBron hasn't grown?

[Steve210]

I can almost hear the Hammond press conference now:

"We are excited to bring Caron Butler home, Caron is a good man, he's going to provide leadership to our young players and help them develop" Blah blah....

Like I said, I have nothing against Caron, I actually like him, but this move leads me to believe that Hammond and now Morway really are nothing more than puppets for Kohl. This is Kohl's attempt to try and sell a few more tickets and generate local interest for a team that is destined to hover around .500 and battle for that 8th seed and continue to be stuck in NBA mediocrity.

Middleton and Giannis are both young guys that need to get on the floor to develop, and Caron Butler is only going to be taking minutes away from those guys which may lead to an extra 3 or 4 wins?

I'm sure Caron will be active in the community and sign autographs at Pick N Save, but at the end of the day, if this team ever really wants to win a championship, they need to develop their young talent, not bring in guys to eat up their minutes.

[driese0824]

Veteran's help young players develop. We have a nice mix...IMHO.

PT helps young players develop.

Right now, Giannis is getting essentially none and I'd be surprised if Henson got over 20.

That would be terrible. That's my fear here as well. Henson needs to get 25-30 some way. He should share 4 time with Ersan and get some backup 5 minutes (will probably go to Zaza). GA buried would be a travesty. He's needs to keep playing. Sitting on his ass watching a couple of 33 year olds play his position while scraping together 34 wins is a waste.

I agree with you but larry drew watched giannis play and maybe just maybe drew knows he isn't ready either along with the college scouts and other prognastercators who said hes at least 2 years away from sniffing the hardwood floor.Im all for playing young players as im sure middleton will get his minutes,but if giannis isn't ready and the bucks know that throwing out there to play major minutes will hurt his development then I for one don't want to see him thrown to the wolves.
This is drew not skiles if this young man deserves minutes he will get them,but he is without a doubt probably the most raw rookie in the league

[ekpecNurollduh]

Could this become a nice expiring asset at the trade deadline?

[yoshii8]

Here is a review of the new, old Caron Butler, and their review of his 2013 season from a Clippers blog.

http://www.clipsnation.com/2013/5/29/43 ... ron-butler

[driese0824]

I can almost hear the Hammond press conference now:

"We are excited to bring Caron Butler home, Caron is a good man, he's going to provide leadership to our young players and help them develop" Blah blah....

Like I said, I have nothing against Caron, I actually like him, but this move leads me to believe that Hammond and now Morway really are nothing more than puppets for Kohl. This is Kohl's attempt to try and sell a few more tickets and generate local interest for a team that is destined to hover around .500 and battle for that 8th seed and continue to be stuck in NBA mediocrity.

Middleton and Giannis are both young guys that need to get on the floor to develop, and Caron Butler is only going to be taking minutes away from those guys which may lead to an extra 3 or 4 wins?

I'm sure Caron will be active in the community and sign autographs at Pick N Save, but at the end of the day, if this team ever really wants to win a championship, they need to develop their young talent, not bring in guys to eat up their minutes.

middleton will get his minutes wether its at the 2 or 3 are we buck fans the only one that thinks giannis is ready for minutes let alone major minutes some on this board would like,he is a raw as they come and who better than to learn it from than from a great teacher like butler.Let Giannis get used to the NBA life watch n learn put some weight on,work on his shot,his time will come.Butler is only here for 1 year and yet most people in the know say giiannis is so raw that he wont be ready to play for at least 2 years.
Middleton will get his 20 plus minutes a game to show what he has or doesn't have

[milweskee]

we've been burned so bad by skiles the attitude that we shouldnt take on anyone that could block minutes from young guys has me cracking up.

hopefully our new coaches arent as clueless as posted by a few others itt.

At this point I just assume Drew's hiring was predicated on winning now. Our front office wouldn't probably hire a coach that openly states they want to play the young guys.

Not seeing the humor in it. The fact that Drew once stated we were going to upgrade SF and this is the move has me even more scared.

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[Nebula1]

My point is that you used something false to make a point and now are ranting about something totally different.

Sounds like Butler wanted/asked for the trade and both teams were willing to do so. My only problem with the deal is the few minutes Giannis was maybe going to see have likely dried up. And since we don't utilize the D team whatsoever, I guess we'll see him in 2014-15.

Project or not, I'd rather play guys we draft instead of burying them.

[Kerb Hohl]

If Herb is trying to "generate fan interest" by this, he's even dumber than I thought. No way Caron Butler accounts for $6.5 million extra dollars in revenue.

[driese0824]

My point is that you used something false to make a point and now are ranting about something totally different.

Sounds like Butler wanted/asked for the trade and both teams were willing to do so. My only problem with the deal is the few minutes Giannis was maybe going to see have likely dried up. And since we don't utilize the D team whatsoever, I guess we'll see him in 2014-15.

Project or not, I'd rather play guys we draft instead of burying them.

is that so bad its give s him a year to learn the NBA,work on his game and add strength plus butler can teach him some things along the way.Giannis will get minutes not sure how many but if drew thinks he derserves minutes he will get osme.I don't wanna rush a 19 year old and throw him to the wolves until he has some form of game,as much as the buck fans wanna see him,mo ome thought he was going to play this year not just for us but for any team.He is a very raw rookie one that could learn a lot his first year by watching learning and showing what he can do in his limited time on the floor

[engelmartin]

Hey, best case scenario, if Caron has an awesome year due to playing a ton of more minutes we can swing him at the deadline.

[paulpressey25]

At this point I just assume Drew's hiring was predicated on winning now. Our front office wouldn't probably hire a coach that openly states they want to play the young guys.

Not seeing the humor in it. The fact that Drew once stated we were going to upgrade SF and this is the move has me even more scared.

Yeah, I don't see a guy like Drew wanting to lose one game more than he has to next year. Drew is 55 years old. He's making his coin now on the reputation of getting average guys to over-achieve. That's how he got the Bucks job. He's not going to suddenly give Giannis 20 minutes a night to develop unless Giannis is killing the other guys in practice. Butler is going to get as many minutes as his body will handle.

[paulpressey25]

Hey, best case scenario, if Caron has an awesome year due to playing a ton of more minutes we can swing him at the deadline.

We don't do that here. We have strong past evidence that if we are within five to ten games of .500 at the deadline, we become buyers.

[emunney]

Hey, best case scenario, if Caron has an awesome year due to playing a ton of more minutes we can swing him at the deadline.

We don't do that here. We have strong past evidence that if we are within five to ten games of .500 at the deadline, we become buyers.

Yeah, if he has an awesome year due to playing a ton more minutes, we'll offer him 2/18 to stay.

[Doddage]

Richard Jefferson
John Salmons
Stephen Jackson

Add Caron Butler to the list of average, past-their-prime SFs that the Bucks seem to love.