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engelmartin wrote:emunney wrote:
Yeah, if he has an awesome year due to playing a ton more minutes, we'll offer him 2/18 to stay.
So, about that hometown discount?
LUKE23 wrote:Is there any way the Bucks don't lead the league in 3 point attempts this season?
raferfenix wrote:My main problem with the 'vets to mentor the young players' strategy is that I'm not convinced our young guys are so worth mentoring.
Henson might not even be a good fit next to Sanders. Giannis could be a nothing. Few are predicting Knight will be more than a dependable starter at best. Ersan could be Arsen.
An Evan Turner trade would at least be somewhat better for us youth-wise. And maybe something like that still happens, because our front court surely doesn't make much sense at the moment.
As currently constructed I don't see Udoh or Middleton doing much for us in particular. Might as well try to package them for a better prospect at any position.
SpursNBucks wrote:This isn't a bad move because:
1. First of all people freaking out about the "win now" thing, this isn't going to have any real impact.
2. The guy wants to be back in WI
3. This is another good role type player at this stage that will be a good mentor
4. Could actually have some value down the stretch for a playoff team in a trade.
5. His $8mil will be off the books at the end of the year
6. They gave up garbage- Smith and the other guy would have had a hard time making the team.
7. Wolters now is solidified as the 3rd string PG- gives him a chance to see the floor.
8. GA isn't ready yet (so no/to little impact on his PT), and Middleton will have about the same chance with Delfino nursing injury and Butler never able to play all 82.
Bottom Line: They gave up literally total garbage to get back a guy who wants to be here, can mentor, and possibly even has a little trade value at the deadline.
jschligs wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't know who the **** SupremeHustle is?
EastSideBucksFan wrote:At some point this board is going to have to drop their stupid bullsht agendas and just enjoy the team for once.
ampd wrote:Why we keep signing enough guys to relegate our first round picks to not only not play major minutes but totally bury them on the depth chart so they have no chance of getting in the game is beyond me.
Butler provides the Bucks a fill-in starter at small forward for a team short on wings. He’ll take that spot over Carlos Delfino, who is recovering from a broken foot and can’t really defend this position for 30 minutes a game. Butler’s presence also allows the Bucks to be patient with Giannis Antetokounmpo, their first-round pick, a very tall wing who might still be growing and won’t even turn 19 stinking years old until December. In this context, Butler should be helpful to a team in a competitive race for one of the East’s final three playoff spots. Butler’s an ornery type, and he’ll probably be happier playing on a semi-competitive team in his home state than he would have been languishing in Phoenix.
The danger might be the Bucks asking Butler to do too much on offense. The Clippers turned him into a spot-up shooter around Chris Paul pick-and-rolls and Blake Griffin post-ups, and that’s probably Butler’s best role now. He’s become a very good 3-point shooter, especially from the corners, a place he hardly visited during his prime, but from which he shot 38 percent in 2011-12 and a sizzling 46 percent last season, per NBA.com.
That’s a valuable skill set, even if Butler often yearned to do more and revisit his prime. He still took a ton of midrange 2-pointers, and while he’s hit an acceptable 40 percent of them, they are low-value shots — especially when they come after Butler stops the ball and/or takes one dribble that turns a 3 into a long 2. And that’s generally where Butler’s offense has stopped in recent years. He doesn’t get into the paint much anymore, and he barely gets to the foul line at all.
That could change in Milwaukee if the Bucks lean on him for a little more shot creation — Brandon Knight ain’t Chris Paul — but leaning too much on Butler is probably damaging at this point for a team’s overall offense. Butler’s tough and willing as a defender, but his skills on that end are eroding with his quickness. Teams have eaten him up one-on-one in each of the last two seasons, per Synergy Sports, and Butler has developed a habit of bodying up guys far from the hoop — even shaky shooters. That has made him vulnerable to blow-by drives and ticky-tacky fouls.
ampd wrote:Why we keep signing enough guys to relegate our first round picks to not only not play major minutes but totally bury them on the depth chart so they have no chance of getting in the game is beyond me.
emunney wrote:Eh, I'm interested in re-litigating the Bledsoe thing. If there's evidence out there that we could have had Bledsoe if we'd just taken on Butler, I'd like to see it. I have an open mind. Hit me.
Until then, I will continue to believe the reasonable thing: that the Clippers were compelled to make the move because they got two shooters and good team players that will fit perfectly there, and that otherwise they would have waited for something better.
