OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread

Elden Payton · Post #1341 » by **Elden Payton** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:58 am

ESBS are at it again selling the narrative.

OMFKG was the youngest player in the league last season and people seem to dismiss the fact that his season was productive.

If he can become a 17/7/4/1.5/1.5 player with elite D then he will be worth the second pick imo.

HornetJail · Post #1342 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:09 am

Sik Infant wrote:ESBS are at it again selling the narrative.

OMFKG was the youngest player in the league last season and people seem to dismiss the fact that his season was productive.

If he can become a 17/7/4/1.5/1.5 player with elite D then he will be worth the second pick imo.

Those stats you mentioned would make MKG a better version of Paul George, given MKG's scoring efficiency doesn't fall off, and George is apparently the next big thing in the NBA. MKG doesn't even need that much to be "worth his draft slot". 15/8/3 with elite D is more or less prime Gerald Wallace, which would more than likely make MKG be "worth the #2 pick". I'd be happy if MKG became Wallace 2.0, thrilled if he was as good as Paul George (your stats of 17/7/4/1.5/1.5), and absolutely ecstatic with anything resembling Shawn Marion (20/10/2/1.5/1.5 + elite D). None of these are outrageous suggestions given the way he's played and what he's shown so far.

As for living up to expectations, does anyone here really see Dion Waiters, Bradley Beal, Harrison Barnes, or Damian Lillard having a better career than MKG? I think MKG will always be behind Davis and Drummond, but that's some damn good company.

Eoghan · Post #1343 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:12 am

He's a bust.

I saw some stuff I liked and I saw some stuff I didn't like from his first season but ultimately I'm reserving judgment b/c Dumbfap really dicked around with his minutes, plus the injuries. He was a lot more NBA ready than I thought he'd be, just can't say anything definitive until he sees some consistent minutes.

Kembastockton · Post #1344 » by **Kembastockton** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:36 pm

People criticize Dunlap about MKG's minutes last year. I don't think you guys picked up on how much MKG was worn out on the court. Don't forget that he was only an 18/19 year old rookie. I am sure with his endurance getting better he will get more minutes this season. Last year he simply was not ready for heavy nba minutes.

Eoghan · Post #1345 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:02 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:People criticize Dunlap about MKG's minutes last year. I don't think you guys picked up on how much MKG was worn out on the court. Don't forget that he was only an 18/19 year old rookie. I am sure with his endurance getting better he will get more minutes this season. Last year he simply was not ready for heavy nba minutes.

Actually, I looked up last year his stats vs days of rest during a stretch while he was struggling because I suspected the same thing and he actually produced much better when he had less rest.

HornetJail · Post #1346 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:53 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
MountBiyombo wrote:People criticize Dunlap about MKG's minutes last year. I don't think you guys picked up on how much MKG was worn out on the court. Don't forget that he was only an 18/19 year old rookie. I am sure with his endurance getting better he will get more minutes this season. Last year he simply was not ready for heavy nba minutes.

Actually, I looked up last year his stats vs days of rest during a stretch while he was struggling because I suspected the same thing and he actually produced much better when he had less rest.

More days of rest means more days of Mike Dunlap going through plays. No wonder MKG played worse.

Bassman · Post #1347 » by **Bassman** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:57 pm

Thorp's comments should not be completely discounted. He does echo a sentiment that has been generally repeated by other reporters; namely that the Cats are concerned about how Hyphen performed last year, and his real potential to deliver on their draft investment.

I have no doubt that an MKG trade was very quietly floated during discussions prior to the recent draft. It is prudent to see what he might bring in the event a team at #1 or #2 wanted something different and might deal. We will never know, but the fact that it got out from several sources makes me think it happened. Don't get me wrong...they value Hyphen, but I doubt they see him as a cornerstone star player of the future. What he may become is GW2b, a similar but different version of Gerald Wallace. Comparing the two, I project MKG as a better defender but worse shooter, a bit more athletic but with less leadership.

Doesn't make him a bad player, but he will not live up to his #2 pick status.

HornetJail · Post #1348 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:07 pm

Bassman wrote:I have no doubt that an MKG trade was very quietly floated during discussions prior to the recent draft. It is prudent to see what he might bring in the event a team at #1 or #2 wanted something different and might deal. We will never know, but the fact that it got out from several sources makes me think it happened. Don't get me wrong...they value Hyphen, but I doubt they see him as a cornerstone star player of the future. What he may become is GW2b, a similar but different version of Gerald Wallace. Comparing the two, I project MKG as a better defender but worse shooter, a bit more athletic but with less leadership.

Doesn't make him a bad player, but he will not live up to his #2 pick status.

You believe that crap? That was a total BS smokescreen we also "floated" the fact that we wanted to replace him with Otto Porter. :lol:

thesneakysneak · Post #1349 » by **thesneakysneak** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:20 pm

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lc1xd/breaking_down_mkgs_actually_good_isolation_and/

pretty lengthy breakdown by someone but a good read.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1350 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:54 pm

Bassman wrote:Thorp's comments should not be completely discounted. He does echo a sentiment that has been generally repeated by other reporters; namely that the Cats are concerned about how Hyphen performed last year, and his real potential to deliver on their draft investment.

I have no doubt that an MKG trade was very quietly floated during discussions prior to the recent draft. It is prudent to see what he might bring in the event a team at #1 or #2 wanted something different and might deal. We will never know, but the fact that it got out from several sources makes me think it happened. Don't get me wrong...they value Hyphen, but I doubt they see him as a cornerstone star player of the future. What he may become is GW2b, a similar but different version of Gerald Wallace. Comparing the two, I project MKG as a better defender but worse shooter, a bit more athletic but with less leadership.

Doesn't make him a bad player, but he will not live up to his #2 pick status.

Isn't wise to say whether a player will live up to where they were picked when said player is still 19 years old. This reminds me of the Kemba talk last year.

Elden Payton · Post #1351 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:14 am

thesneakysneak wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lc1xd/breaking_down_mkgs_actually_good_isolation_and/

pretty lengthy breakdown by someone but a good read.

Cheers for that, it's a good read.

Whoever wrote it has done their research.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1352 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:23 am

thesneakysneak wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lc1xd/breaking_down_mkgs_actually_good_isolation_and/

pretty lengthy breakdown by someone but a good read.

Good read.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1353 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:17 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmGaQjU1p0[/youtube]

I love MKG, and I think he will become a better player than Wallace, but damn Wallace had insane athleticism. He was pulling off dunks before he even knew what in the hell he was doing.

Post #1354 » by **fatlever** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:03 pm

MKG turned 20 today. we can no longer use the phrase "HE IS ONLY 19" when defending him to the ignorant masses.

KingExecutive · Post #1355 » by **KingExecutive** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:15 pm

fatlever wrote:MKG turned 20 today. we can no longer use the phrase "HE IS ONLY 19" when defending him to the ignorant masses.

but ..."HE JUST TURNED 20" haha

Post #1356 » by **fatlever** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:31 pm

http://dimemag.com/2013/09/michael-kidd ... ak-season/

Why MKG will break out this season - Dime Mag

gotta love this article as it highlights all the things about MKG that those who only look at stats dont see.

Elden Payton · Post #1357 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:19 am

fatlever wrote:http://dimemag.com/2013/09/michael-kidd-gilchrist-will-break-season/

Why MKG will break out this season - Dime Mag

gotta love this article as it highlights all the things about MKG that those who only look at stats dont see.

Good article, definitely getting love from South Jersey.

I agree that he is a throwback for hardcore basketball fans.

The guy that guys love to play with and hate to play against.

ball teacher · Post #1358 » by **ball teacher** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:07 pm

MKG really was muzzled by Dunlap last year, there is no reason why this kid didnt play more minutes and have a bigger role offensively for a team that was as bad as we were.

MPM · Post #1359 » by **MPM** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:27 pm

ball teacher wrote:MKG really was muzzled by Dunlap last year, there is no reason why this kid didnt play more minutes and have a bigger role offensively for a team that was as bad as we were.

I swear, this was ONE of the most perplexing/frustrating things about last year. Watching Dunlap bench MKG for almost the entirety of 4th quarters killed me.

Post #1360 » by **fatlever** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:38 pm

time for a new avatar MPM.