Caron Butler traded to Bucks for Ish Smith and Kratsov

Nebula1 · Post #621 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Sep 3, 2013 9:42 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:Udoh is not even going to be worth his QO.

If we can't trade him, I wouldn't even give him the QO which is about $5-$6M.

I'm not quick to declare he's not worth it. I'd rather have him on the deal than Zaza on his.

AussieBuck · Post #622 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Sep 3, 2013 9:55 pm

Yeah Udoh's better than Zaza.

Jez2983 · Post #623 » by **Jez2983** » Tue Sep 3, 2013 10:46 pm

Chapter29 wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:He was kind of a chucker on a really bad team when he was in his prime. Shot 41% from the field for his career, and 40% that year he scored 30 ppg. Butler and RJ were better overall players. It's a moot point though; they're all just keeping that seat warm for Joe Johnson.

Yep. Joe Johnson is just about old enough and just about washed up enough for the Bucks to make a run at him!!

Next year ya think?

See Sig. There's still time! Do you think Brooklyn would trade Johnson for Butler and Henson?

mattg · Post #624 » by **mattg** » Tue Sep 3, 2013 10:57 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Yeah Udoh's better than Zaza.

But does that even matter? Both guys are 5th bigs at this point IMO. Udoh was better when he literally did nothing on offense. If he attempts one hook shot this season that's one too many. Both zaza and udoh are one trick ponies. Udoh defends pick n rolls alright and boxes out. Zaza is an instigator who brings a little physicality. Neither are really worth their deal nor do they fill a major role at this point.

Baddy Chuck · Post #625 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Sep 3, 2013 11:21 pm

We shouldn't have signed Zaza obviously but Udoh is as irrelevant as you can get.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #626 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 12:31 am

AussieBuck wrote:Yeah Udoh's better than Zaza.

Udoh has done nothing to prove he is better than Zaza.

paul · Post #627 » by **paul** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 12:48 am

So a little late to the party, but as best I can gather we traded for a guy who is no better than Delfino to compete with him and Middelton for minutes all in front of Yanni, thus stapling him to the bench and stunting his development ala Tobias Harris.

That about right?

worthlessBucks · Post #628 » by **worthlessBucks** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 12:58 am

paul wrote:So a little late to the party, but as best I can gather we traded for a guy who is no better than Delfino to compete with him and Middelton for minutes all in front of Yanni, thus stapling him to the bench and stunting his development ala Tobias Harris.

That about right?

At SF, Racineeee native, Caron Butlerrrrrrrrr

Nebula1 · Post #629 » by **Nebula1** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 1:36 am

Caron butler is better than Delfino.

And Udoh Is better than a fifth big. He's just 26, his numbers are adequate and can play both 4 & 5. I actually think he fits in nicely backing both sanders and Henson and would rather trade ersan for a good return.

Badgerlander · Post #630 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 3:50 am

paul wrote:So a little late to the party, but as best I can gather we traded for a guy who is no better than Delfino to compete with him and Middelton for minutes all in front of Yanni, thus stapling him to the bench and stunting his development ala Tobias Harris.

That about right?

Yes but with the caveat that Del3no might not be ready to go at the start of the season so there should be plenty of opportunity for Middleton and Giannis to show they are ready for minutes in camp and preseason. My personal guess is that Middleton is penciled in at #3 SG and that they will give Giannis every opportunity to win the #2 SF job in camp. I doubt Wolters or Rad see any time on the court during the regular season this year.

AussieBuck · Post #631 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 7:39 am

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Yeah Udoh's better than Zaza.

Udoh has done nothing to prove he is better than Zaza.

Other than being a better basketball player. Zaza is better at having an oversized head.

driese0824 · Post #632 » by **driese0824** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 1:29 pm

know this is off topic but being Beasley was released today does this board think theres any shot in hell of hambone picking this guy up,i know last year he had a bad year but before that he was good.I mean wouldn't e make a great 6th man.Just curious

Post #633 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 1:31 pm

driese0824 wrote:know this is off topic but being Beasley was released today does this board think theres any shot in hell of hambone picking this guy up,i know last year he had a bad year but before that he was good.I mean wouldn't e make a great 6th man.Just curious

Beasley has never been good.

driese0824 · Post #634 » by **driese0824** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 1:42 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
driese0824 wrote:know this is off topic but being Beasley was released today does this board think theres any shot in hell of hambone picking this guy up,i know last year he had a bad year but before that he was good.I mean wouldn't e make a great 6th man.Just curious

Beasley has never been good.

Me bad then as I thought he had some semi productive years in minny

Thunder Muscle · Post #635 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 1:48 pm

I don't think Beasley at this point is worth it. He's much more concerned about lighting up than becoming an all-star caliber player. On paper he seems like an intriguing buy low guy, but I just don't think its ever going to happen.

Thunder Muscle · Post #636 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 1:54 pm

AussieBuck wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Yeah Udoh's better than Zaza.

Udoh has done nothing to prove he is better than Zaza.

Other than being a better basketball player. Zaza is better at having an oversized head.

Udoh (Per 36 Minutes/Career)
8.9 PPG
6.8 RPG
2.7 BPG
43.4 FG%
73.1 FT%
49.0 TS%
104 OFF RTG
106 DEF RTG
.072 WS/48 (League Ave 0.100)

ZaZa (Per 36/career)
12.0 PPG
9.6 RPG
0.7 BPG
46.5 FG%
73.3 FT%
54.0 TS%
108 OFF RTG
106 DEF RTG
.104 WS/48

EastSideBucksFan · Post #637 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 2:43 pm

AussieBuck wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Yeah Udoh's better than Zaza.

Udoh has done nothing to prove he is better than Zaza.

Other than being a better basketball player. Zaza is better at having an oversized head.

Udoh can't even box out.
Or actually grab rebounds.
Or guard big centers or perimeter PF's.

And shooting 40% when you are 6'10 and take all your shots in the paint is pretty bad.

I hope we see some Zaza & Sanders on the floor together when we have to face teams like Memphis this season.

raferfenix · Post #638 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 2:57 pm

With how nasty our lockerroom got last year we should be one of the last teams willing to take a flier on Beasley.

But then again we're the Bucks so who knows.

Treebeard · Post #639 » by **Treebeard** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 3:34 pm

raferfenix wrote:With how nasty our lockerroom got last year we should be one of the last teams willing to take a flier on Beasley.

But then again we're the Bucks so who knows.

Beasley makes me think of a guy like Derrick Coleman. Superb physical skills with a don't-give-a-crap approach. Mostly a big teaser with some empty stats.

engelmartin · Post #640 » by **engelmartin** » Wed Sep 4, 2013 3:44 pm

I don't see why anyone would want Beasley. I guess this would be a pretty awesome sign-and-stash-in-DLeague type of signing, although I can't imagine him being happy with that or not getting arrested or screwing around with controlled substances in Reno/wherever that team would be. He'll probably go dominate D-League and get another shot in a couple years.