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Post#181 » by Rasho Brezec » Sun Sep 8, 2013 12:10 am

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doc.end wrote:You can't do that as FIBA etc. As a national federation you should.

It's the only way to make sure people appreciate basketball, by showing that only the best the country develops can play for the national team. I still don't understand how Mullens has more connection to British basketball than Ibaka has to Spanish basketball.

That doesn't matter. They are representing country not basketball. It is a country based competition. It's not about who deserve which player because or alleged development or anything.

I looked Mullens case up. He has English mother. I cannot see how that less important than somebody playing in Spain for opportunity. I mean should Ibaka play for Congo, Spain, USA... later when washed he may play somewhere else... On the other hand Mullens is half-English, half-American and no matter where he learned to play that'll never change and it is a good enough reason to play for both countries. Of course some countries would manufacture those ancestries to claim someone eligible, but still. Let's say both Mullens' parents were British - by your logic, he should be still eligible for USA only because he played college there? Being from somewhere, even partially, is primal reason to represent that country. Then it is up to the player what he identifies with.

But I guess Shaq is German by your standards - he grew up there, started playing there, it doesn't matter who are his parents, right? But then he moved to USA and become USA eligible :lol:

EDIT: I wonder what rules would you suggest for road cycling :wink:

That's silly. Shaq got all of his basketball knowledge in USA. Ibaka made his biggest development in Spain. Mullens never had anything to do with Great Britain. Why should he have more right to represent it just because his mother is British, something he had absolutely no control over? Determinism is such a ridiculous concept.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#182 » by Batu7 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 12:59 am

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Batu7 wrote:Asik didn't play bad, most of the opposition big's numbers were against Erden who is a baaaad basketball player. Hedo shouldn't be allowed to touch a basketball. Ilyasova played terrible in the first two games, put a good effort tonight but it had no effect on the scoreline overall because the team is terrible.


Your problem are:

1) Boscia is done and shouldn't coach anymore...
2) Hedo is done and shouldn't play anymore...
3) Your team has talent but is not balanced: too many forwards and centers and few decent backcourt guards (if any)... in international competitions you need premiere class PGs and SGs or you go home quickly...


1 and 2 are absolutely correct.

The team is not balanced and can't function like this. There is only one pg able to execute a pick and roll effectively and he was not picked. We had only one pg in the whole squad, the other options were athletic guards who just have above average defense. Barring a major change, I don't expect anything from us until the 95'+ generation get their chance.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#183 » by Chalk1 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 1:35 am

Why no Sipahi?
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Post#184 » by Chalk1 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 1:38 am

Maybe make a rule, ranked in the top 20, no naturalization of any players.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#185 » by aporel18 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 6:25 am

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Mirotic has played for Spanish underage National Teams, earning the MVP in his U20 European championship in Bilbao, so I don't think it's about affection. He could be playing with Montenegro if he wanted, too, making a formidable big rotation with Vucevic and Pekovic. But I guess he'd rather form an even better big rotation with Marc Gasol and Ibaka going forward, when Pau and Reyes retire from NT after 2014.


According to reports, Mirotic got his Spanish citizenship in 2010 and therefore is considered naturalized. If that's true, both Ibaka and Mirotic can't be on Spain's roster unless more than 1 naturalized is allowed. BJ Mullens wanted to play for the British team in the 2012 Olympics, but they also had another naturalized player on the team. Mirotic would have been eligible in this tournament though due to Ibaka's absence.


Rumors are Spanish Federation is trying to lobby for a rule change which allows two players (Ibaka and Mirotic). Of course, that's not possible right now, so my guess is he's waiting for that rule change to have some security and not depend on Ibaka to have a spot.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#186 » by aporel18 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 6:37 am

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Euro77 wrote:No joke, I despise the way guys like Fernandez play the game. Always acting, complaining and flopping.
And Marc knocked a tooth out of a guy and didn't check once to see if he was okay.


Well, I get that Rudy and Navarro can flop like crazy, but you can't label the rest of the Spanish players as d-bags for that. But I find it funny because they were playing against Goran Dragic of all players in the world. Do you think all Slovenian players are the same because of crazy Goran behavior? Wrong generalization is wrong.

And Marc is a noble player, and things like that happen in basketball games. He also was talking to Vidmar after the game, and you could tell he didn't mean to injure him.

And where in my post did I say that I meant the entire spanish team?
It's a fact that the entire team has a flair of arrogance and entitlement. Sure, they earned some of it through their many, many wins, but it makes them also really, really unlikable.
And this just gets amplified thousandfold by the annoying behaviour of the likes of Fernandez, Navarro, Calderon, etc.
(the d-bags)
For the record I know Gasol didn't try to injure Vidmar (he didn't even see him when he made that move) and if he checked on him after the game that's fine, I turned the game off after the final buzzer.


Now you are saying you mean the entire Spanish Team :lol:

Well, maybe they are arrogant, but I only hear humble words from them when they are asked about their chances to three-peat. Navarro isn't playing, Rudy is focused on the game and I'm trying to guess what you mean about Calderon. I don't get it, but ok, that's your perception.
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Post#187 » by aporel18 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 6:44 am

Nuntius wrote:
aporel18 wrote:but Slovenia has one of the best coaches in FIBA basketball in Bozidar Maljkovic


I highly disagree here. Maljkovic has become quite outdated as a coach.


He might be old, but he's one of the best coaches ever. Of course, you can't live off past glory, but he may have done one or two things the right way, because he has Slovenia 3-0 and leading the group over a more talented team in Spain.

I don't like his coaching style, and what he did with Limoges in that 1993 Final Four is both amazing and disgusting from a basketball point of view. But he deserves some credit, even if he's somehow outdated.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#188 » by Mass Rig » Sun Sep 8, 2013 7:42 am

Nuntius wrote:I didn't know that killing the Euro game meant being eliminated from the first group stage.


Laure wrote:He sure does, though his leadership was never enough to make it to the second group stage :lol:


You are a little unfair here. Italy in 2011 was in a group with France, Germany (with Dirk) and Serbia. Bargs averaged 23/7.5, shot 50% from 2 point range and 35% from 3 point range, 83% FT
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Post#189 » by WhateverBro » Sun Sep 8, 2013 9:50 am

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1 and 2 are absolutely correct.

The team is not balanced and can't function like this. There is only one pg able to execute a pick and roll effectively and he was not picked. We had only one pg in the whole squad, the other options were athletic guards who just have above average defense. Barring a major change, I don't expect anything from us until the 95'+ generation get their chance.


What do you think about Swedens chances against Turkey tonight?
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#190 » by Greek » Sun Sep 8, 2013 10:05 am

WhateverBro wrote:
Batu7 wrote:
1 and 2 are absolutely correct.

The team is not balanced and can't function like this. There is only one pg able to execute a pick and roll effectively and he was not picked. We had only one pg in the whole squad, the other options were athletic guards who just have above average defense. Barring a major change, I don't expect anything from us until the 95'+ generation get their chance.


What do you think about Swedens chances against Turkey tonight?


Either will win relative easily, either will be destroyed. Turks need at least one win. If not Sweden then who??
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Post#191 » by jax98 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 10:22 am

Can anyone log-in to livebasketball.tv?

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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#192 » by mixerball » Sun Sep 8, 2013 10:44 am

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doc.end wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:
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It's the only way to make sure people appreciate basketball, by showing that only the best the country develops can play for the national team. I still don't understand how Mullens has more connection to British basketball than Ibaka has to Spanish basketball.

That doesn't matter. They are representing country not basketball. It is a country based competition. It's not about who deserve which player because or alleged development or anything.

I looked Mullens case up. He has English mother. I cannot see how that less important than somebody playing in Spain for opportunity. I mean should Ibaka play for Congo, Spain, USA... later when washed he may play somewhere else... On the other hand Mullens is half-English, half-American and no matter where he learned to play that'll never change and it is a good enough reason to play for both countries. Of course some countries would manufacture those ancestries to claim someone eligible, but still. Let's say both Mullens' parents were British - by your logic, he should be still eligible for USA only because he played college there? Being from somewhere, even partially, is primal reason to represent that country. Then it is up to the player what he identifies with.

But I guess Shaq is German by your standards - he grew up there, started playing there, it doesn't matter who are his parents, right? But then he moved to USA and become USA eligible :lol:

EDIT: I wonder what rules would you suggest for road cycling :wink:

That's silly. Shaq got all of his basketball knowledge in USA. Ibaka made his biggest development in Spain. Mullens never had anything to do with Great Britain. Why should he have more right to represent it just because his mother is British, something he had absolutely no control over? Determinism is such a ridiculous concept.

his mother being of that nationality actually makes a solid argument, unlike other point/shooting guards that have absolutely no links to countries they play for.
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Re: Official Eurobasket 2013 Thread 

Post#193 » by Rasho Brezec » Sun Sep 8, 2013 11:06 am

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doc.end wrote:That doesn't matter. They are representing country not basketball. It is a country based competition. It's not about who deserve which player because or alleged development or anything.

I looked Mullens case up. He has English mother. I cannot see how that less important than somebody playing in Spain for opportunity. I mean should Ibaka play for Congo, Spain, USA... later when washed he may play somewhere else... On the other hand Mullens is half-English, half-American and no matter where he learned to play that'll never change and it is a good enough reason to play for both countries. Of course some countries would manufacture those ancestries to claim someone eligible, but still. Let's say both Mullens' parents were British - by your logic, he should be still eligible for USA only because he played college there? Being from somewhere, even partially, is primal reason to represent that country. Then it is up to the player what he identifies with.

But I guess Shaq is German by your standards - he grew up there, started playing there, it doesn't matter who are his parents, right? But then he moved to USA and become USA eligible :lol:

EDIT: I wonder what rules would you suggest for road cycling :wink:

That's silly. Shaq got all of his basketball knowledge in USA. Ibaka made his biggest development in Spain. Mullens never had anything to do with Great Britain. Why should he have more right to represent it just because his mother is British, something he had absolutely no control over? Determinism is such a ridiculous concept.

his mother being of that nationality actually makes a solid argument, unlike other point/shooting guards that have absolutely no links to countries they play for.

No, it's not. He had no control over that. In no way does he represent anything about British basketball.
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Post#194 » by Mass Rig » Sun Sep 8, 2013 11:36 am

Morten Jensen wrote:Can anyone log-in to livebasketball.tv?

I get a 500 Internal Server Error.


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Post#195 » by jax98 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 11:38 am

Mass Rig wrote:Is the quality generally worth the money?


If your connection is good enough and you've got a solid processor, absolutely. It sucks the juice out of your computer, but if you're just kicking back and watching, it's terrific.
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Post#196 » by suckfish » Sun Sep 8, 2013 12:29 pm

Hoping to see Van Oostrum get heavy minutes vs Germany. I honestly believe this kid has NBA talent. He just needs more experience and opportunity.
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Post#197 » by Mass Rig » Sun Sep 8, 2013 12:29 pm

Morten Jensen wrote:If your connection is good enough and you've got a solid processor, absolutely. It sucks the juice out of your computer, but if you're just kicking back and watching, it's terrific.


Thanks! Got fiber and an i7 here, those should do the trick.
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Post#198 » by Heat fan06 » Sun Sep 8, 2013 1:08 pm

Great Britain giving Germany a good game

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Post#199 » by suckfish » Sun Sep 8, 2013 1:10 pm

Looking at our weakened team, we are having a great tournament.
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Post#200 » by Nuntius » Sun Sep 8, 2013 1:27 pm

aporel18 wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
aporel18 wrote:but Slovenia has one of the best coaches in FIBA basketball in Bozidar Maljkovic


I highly disagree here. Maljkovic has become quite outdated as a coach.


He might be old, but he's one of the best coaches ever. Of course, you can't live off past glory, but he may have done one or two things the right way, because he has Slovenia 3-0 and leading the group over a more talented team in Spain.

I don't like his coaching style, and what he did with Limoges in that 1993 Final Four is both amazing and disgusting from a basketball point of view. But he deserves some credit, even if he's somehow outdated.


What he did with Limoges was absolutely beautiful. But I don't think that he's a good coach anymore. Did you see what happened to Slovenia in the 2011 Eurobasket? They were completely underwhelming throughout the tournament and they were lucky to reach the Quarter Finals.

They are playing better now but they're playing in front of their passionate fans and that's bound to give them a lift.

My problem is not that he's old in age. It's just that his basketball perception is kind of outdated.
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