Which team will win the Pacific Division?

Post #1 » by **RealGM Polls** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 4:28 am

1. Clippers
2. Warriors
3. Lakers
4. Kings
5. Suns

LaRance · Post #2 » by **LaRance** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 4:38 am

You'd think it's Clippers but I say Warriors is taking it i the Pacific this season

brucedeng22 · Post #3 » by **brucedeng22** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 9:37 am

LaRance wrote:You'd think it's Clippers but I say Warriors is taking it i the Pacific this season

clippers just looks good on paper, but warriors is far stronger than the clippers

bqmuzik · Post #4 » by **bqmuzik** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:32 pm

brucedeng22 wrote:
LaRance wrote:You'd think it's Clippers but I say Warriors is taking it i the Pacific this season

clippers just looks good on paper, but warriors is far stronger than the clippers

Ummm...the Clips roster with Doc Rivers is superior to GSW

RoyalMajesty · Post #5 » by **RoyalMajesty** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 5:13 pm

bqmuzik wrote:
brucedeng22 wrote:
LaRance wrote:You'd think it's Clippers but I say Warriors is taking it i the Pacific this season

clippers just looks good on paper, but warriors is far stronger than the clippers

Ummm...the Clips roster with Doc Rivers is superior to GSW

Clippers are a jump shooting team outside of Blake and DeAndre. Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes, Byron Mullens, J.J. Redick, Jamal Crawford, Chris Paul, Darren Collison are all guys that likes to shoot. Teams can map out their defense on Clippers easily especially if their shots are not going down and that's what the Warriors did to them last season winning 3/4 against the Clippers.

And with Doc Rivers superior? Please. If he never had a super team, he would never got all this hype. He had the super team in Boston, but managed to win only 1 championship. 1 championship and that's during the season where there was 2 under .500 teams making the playoffs, 1 .500 team making the playoffs, 2 teams barely over .500 making the playoffs, 1 team with a once in a lifetime player and a bunch of scrubs, and another team with a crybaby and a bunch of guys that jacks up shots. The only competition was the Detroit Pistons.

Coach Jackson improved the team from 23 wins to 47 wins, didn't have a super team, his all-defense center missed 50 games last season, one of his key "3 and D" bench player missed the entire season after a tear on his knee, started 2 rookies last season at SF and center, played all 4 rookies in a particular role, got the best out of a unhealthy, all-star snub and made him tougher, developed a young SG in only his 2nd year, helped a double-double machine back to his all-star form, made 2 bench players into 6th man of the year candidates, changed the entire culture of the Warriors franchise into being a tough, defensive team, got the team being the 4th best opponent field goal percentage at 43.9% after being 20th best at 45.7% during the 2011-2012 season, and overturned the team from being the 28th best rebounding team during the 2011-2012 season to the 3rd best rebounding team last season. Let me remind you that this was his only 2nd season as a head coach considering that he never been a coach on any staff before including never being an assistant coach on any team.

Fresh360Waves · Post #6 » by **Fresh360Waves** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 9:32 pm

RoyalMajesty wrote:
bqmuzik wrote:
brucedeng22 wrote:clippers just looks good on paper, but warriors is far stronger than the clippers

Ummm...the Clips roster with Doc Rivers is superior to GSW

Clippers are a jump shooting team outside of Blake and DeAndre. Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes, Byron Mullens, J.J. Redick, Jamal Crawford, Chris Paul, Darren Collison are all guys that likes to shoot. Teams can map out their defense on Clippers easily especially if their shots are not going down and that's what the Warriors did to them last season winning 3/4 against the Clippers.

And with Doc Rivers superior? Please. If he never had a super team, he would never got all this hype. He had the super team in Boston, but managed to win only 1 championship. 1 championship and that's during the season where there was 2 under .500 teams making the playoffs, 1 .500 team making the playoffs, 2 teams barely over .500 making the playoffs, 1 team with a once in a lifetime player and a bunch of scrubs, and another team with a crybaby and a bunch of guys that jacks up shots. The only competition was the Detroit Pistons.

Coach Jackson improved the team from 23 wins to 47 wins, didn't have a super team, his all-defense center missed 50 games last season, one of his key "3 and D" bench player missed the entire season after a tear on his knee, started 2 rookies last season at SF and center, played all 4 rookies in a particular role, got the best out of a unhealthy, all-star snub and made him tougher, developed a young SG in only his 2nd year, helped a double-double machine back to his all-star form, made 2 bench players into 6th man of the year candidates, changed the entire culture of the Warriors franchise into being a tough, defensive team, got the team being the 4th best opponent field goal percentage at 43.9% after being 20th best at 45.7% during the 2011-2012 season, and overturned the team from being the 28th best rebounding team during the 2011-2012 season to the 3rd best rebounding team last season. Let me remind you that this was his only 2nd season as a head coach considering that he never been a coach on any staff before including never being an assistant coach on any team.

Damn nice analysis my friend.

SpursFan · Post #7 » by **SpursFan** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 10:07 pm

Not to mention adding all-star caliber swing man Iguodala. I think losing Jarrett Jack will have a bigger affect than many may have thought about, especially if Steph's ankles fail him. With Steph and Klay outside and Bogut and Lee inside, they are a dangerous team.

Clippers have some star power, but they don't scare me nearly as much. With a game on the line, Steph Curry is deadly.

Tiesto_Lakers · Post #8 » by **Tiesto_Lakers** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 11:02 pm

As a Laker fan, I think Golden State will run away with it in our division. They have no weaknesses, and they also still have a strong bench with Barnes and Speights. Curry is climbing up as one of the best PGs, and Iggy is in a perfect role as a 3rd/4th option.

DangerCurtis · Post #9 » by **DangerCurtis** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:58 am

RoyalMajesty wrote:
bqmuzik wrote:
brucedeng22 wrote:clippers just looks good on paper, but warriors is far stronger than the clippers

Ummm...the Clips roster with Doc Rivers is superior to GSW

Clippers are a jump shooting team outside of Blake and DeAndre. Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes, Byron Mullens, J.J. Redick, Jamal Crawford, Chris Paul, Darren Collison are all guys that likes to shoot. Teams can map out their defense on Clippers easily especially if their shots are not going down and that's what the Warriors did to them last season winning 3/4 against the Clippers.

And with Doc Rivers superior? Please. If he never had a super team, he would never got all this hype. He had the super team in Boston, but managed to win only 1 championship. 1 championship and that's during the season where there was 2 under .500 teams making the playoffs, 1 .500 team making the playoffs, 2 teams barely over .500 making the playoffs, 1 team with a once in a lifetime player and a bunch of scrubs, and another team with a crybaby and a bunch of guys that jacks up shots. The only competition was the Detroit Pistons.

Coach Jackson improved the team from 23 wins to 47 wins, didn't have a super team, his all-defense center missed 50 games last season, one of his key "3 and D" bench player missed the entire season after a tear on his knee, started 2 rookies last season at SF and center, played all 4 rookies in a particular role, got the best out of a unhealthy, all-star snub and made him tougher, developed a young SG in only his 2nd year, helped a double-double machine back to his all-star form, made 2 bench players into 6th man of the year candidates, changed the entire culture of the Warriors franchise into being a tough, defensive team, got the team being the 4th best opponent field goal percentage at 43.9% after being 20th best at 45.7% during the 2011-2012 season, and overturned the team from being the 28th best rebounding team during the 2011-2012 season to the 3rd best rebounding team last season. Let me remind you that this was his only 2nd season as a head coach considering that he never been a coach on any staff before including never being an assistant coach on any team.

I think you're missing the point of the poll. It's not asking whether or not the Warriors are a better team than the Clippers; it's asking who will win the Pacific division. It's no secret that last year GS posed a lot of match up problems for the Clips. They lit the Clips up with their stud shooters, which happened to be the Clips weak point (defending the 3pt line), however the Clips easily took the division title 9 games ahead of your Warriors.

Last year the Clippers won 56 games. While arguable, I think the additions of Doc Rivers, Redick, Dudley, and Collison is an upgrade (Although losing Bledsoe hurts). With that being said I wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers improve to 59 or 60 wins. Even if they don't and just stay around the 55 win or 56 win mark, you have to ask yourself: do you think your Warriors can improve at least more than 10 games to take the Pacific Division?

RoyalMajesty · Post #10 » by **RoyalMajesty** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:42 am

DangerCurtis wrote:I think you're missing the point of the poll. It's not asking whether or not the Warriors are a better team than the Clippers; it's asking who will win the Pacific division. It's no secret that last year GS posed a lot of match up problems for the Clips. They lit the Clips up with their stud shooters, which happened to be the Clips weak point (defending the 3pt line), however the Clips easily took the division title 9 games ahead of your Warriors.

Last year the Clippers won 56 games. While arguable, I think the additions of Doc Rivers, Redick, Dudley, and Collison is an upgrade (Although losing Bledsoe hurts). With that being said I wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers improve to 59 or 60 wins. Even if they don't and just stay around the 55 win or 56 win mark, you have to ask yourself: do you think your Warriors can improve at least more than 10 games to take the Pacific Division?

My whole argument is saying that the Warriors will win the division, the Warriors are better than the Clippers, and Doc Rivers is no superior kind of coach as much I like him as a stand-up individual.

Yes, the Clippers upgraded with some nice players with Dudley, Redick, Collison, Mullens, and bringing Barnes back, but I don't see them winning the division over the Warriors. We got Iguodala, Klay, Barnes that can stop their perimeter game and we have the depth with our bigs down low to overpower the Clippers. Let me remind you the Warriors' all-defense big man missed 50 games last season, one of our key bench "3 and D" players went down for the entire season after tearing his knee, and last year rookies got some great runs under their belts going into their 2nd year. Did you miss Kent Bazemore summer league?! LOL!!! Just messing with u. The Warriors will be improved so are the Clippers, but them boys in the Bay will take the division.

Whopper_Sr · Post #11 » by **Whopper_Sr** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:19 pm

RoyalMajesty wrote:
bqmuzik wrote:
brucedeng22 wrote:clippers just looks good on paper, but warriors is far stronger than the clippers

Ummm...the Clips roster with Doc Rivers is superior to GSW

Clippers are a jump shooting team outside of Blake and DeAndre. Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes, Byron Mullens, J.J. Redick, Jamal Crawford, Chris Paul, Darren Collison are all guys that likes to shoot. Teams can map out their defense on Clippers easily especially if their shots are not going down and that's what the Warriors did to them last season winning 3/4 against the Clippers.

And with Doc Rivers superior? Please. If he never had a super team, he would never got all this hype. He had the super team in Boston, but managed to win only 1 championship. 1 championship and that's during the season where there was 2 under .500 teams making the playoffs, 1 .500 team making the playoffs, 2 teams barely over .500 making the playoffs, 1 team with a once in a lifetime player and a bunch of scrubs, and another team with a crybaby and a bunch of guys that jacks up shots. The only competition was the Detroit Pistons.

Coach Jackson improved the team from 23 wins to 47 wins, didn't have a super team, his all-defense center missed 50 games last season, one of his key "3 and D" bench player missed the entire season after a tear on his knee, started 2 rookies last season at SF and center, played all 4 rookies in a particular role, got the best out of a unhealthy, all-star snub and made him tougher, developed a young SG in only his 2nd year, helped a double-double machine back to his all-star form, made 2 bench players into 6th man of the year candidates, changed the entire culture of the Warriors franchise into being a tough, defensive team, got the team being the 4th best opponent field goal percentage at 43.9% after being 20th best at 45.7% during the 2011-2012 season, and overturned the team from being the 28th best rebounding team during the 2011-2012 season to the 3rd best rebounding team last season. Let me remind you that this was his only 2nd season as a head coach considering that he never been a coach on any staff before including never being an assistant coach on any team.

You just sound like a huge Warriors apologist and nothing more. Take off your "homer glasses" and stop making excuses for your team.

RoyalMajesty · Post #12 » by **RoyalMajesty** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:10 pm

Whopper_Sr wrote:
RoyalMajesty wrote:
bqmuzik wrote:
Ummm...the Clips roster with Doc Rivers is superior to GSW

Clippers are a jump shooting team outside of Blake and DeAndre. Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes, Byron Mullens, J.J. Redick, Jamal Crawford, Chris Paul, Darren Collison are all guys that likes to shoot. Teams can map out their defense on Clippers easily especially if their shots are not going down and that's what the Warriors did to them last season winning 3/4 against the Clippers.

And with Doc Rivers superior? Please. If he never had a super team, he would never got all this hype. He had the super team in Boston, but managed to win only 1 championship. 1 championship and that's during the season where there was 2 under .500 teams making the playoffs, 1 .500 team making the playoffs, 2 teams barely over .500 making the playoffs, 1 team with a once in a lifetime player and a bunch of scrubs, and another team with a crybaby and a bunch of guys that jacks up shots. The only competition was the Detroit Pistons.

Coach Jackson improved the team from 23 wins to 47 wins, didn't have a super team, his all-defense center missed 50 games last season, one of his key "3 and D" bench player missed the entire season after a tear on his knee, started 2 rookies last season at SF and center, played all 4 rookies in a particular role, got the best out of a unhealthy, all-star snub and made him tougher, developed a young SG in only his 2nd year, helped a double-double machine back to his all-star form, made 2 bench players into 6th man of the year candidates, changed the entire culture of the Warriors franchise into being a tough, defensive team, got the team being the 4th best opponent field goal percentage at 43.9% after being 20th best at 45.7% during the 2011-2012 season, and overturned the team from being the 28th best rebounding team during the 2011-2012 season to the 3rd best rebounding team last season. Let me remind you that this was his only 2nd season as a head coach considering that he never been a coach on any staff before including never being an assistant coach on any team.

You just sound like a huge Warriors apologist and nothing more. Take off your "homer glasses" and stop making excuses for your team.

You sound like a ex-Lakers fan and joined the Clippers Nation. Bandwagoner haha

LakersFan82505 · Post #13 » by **LakersFan82505** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:29 pm

the lakers win the division...

Whopper_Sr · Post #14 » by **Whopper_Sr** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:04 am

RoyalMajesty wrote:
Whopper_Sr wrote:
RoyalMajesty wrote:
Clippers are a jump shooting team outside of Blake and DeAndre. Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes, Byron Mullens, J.J. Redick, Jamal Crawford, Chris Paul, Darren Collison are all guys that likes to shoot. Teams can map out their defense on Clippers easily especially if their shots are not going down and that's what the Warriors did to them last season winning 3/4 against the Clippers.

And with Doc Rivers superior? Please. If he never had a super team, he would never got all this hype. He had the super team in Boston, but managed to win only 1 championship. 1 championship and that's during the season where there was 2 under .500 teams making the playoffs, 1 .500 team making the playoffs, 2 teams barely over .500 making the playoffs, 1 team with a once in a lifetime player and a bunch of scrubs, and another team with a crybaby and a bunch of guys that jacks up shots. The only competition was the Detroit Pistons.

Coach Jackson improved the team from 23 wins to 47 wins, didn't have a super team, his all-defense center missed 50 games last season, one of his key "3 and D" bench player missed the entire season after a tear on his knee, started 2 rookies last season at SF and center, played all 4 rookies in a particular role, got the best out of a unhealthy, all-star snub and made him tougher, developed a young SG in only his 2nd year, helped a double-double machine back to his all-star form, made 2 bench players into 6th man of the year candidates, changed the entire culture of the Warriors franchise into being a tough, defensive team, got the team being the 4th best opponent field goal percentage at 43.9% after being 20th best at 45.7% during the 2011-2012 season, and overturned the team from being the 28th best rebounding team during the 2011-2012 season to the 3rd best rebounding team last season. Let me remind you that this was his only 2nd season as a head coach considering that he never been a coach on any staff before including never being an assistant coach on any team.

You just sound like a huge Warriors apologist and nothing more. Take off your "homer glasses" and stop making excuses for your team.

You sound like a ex-Lakers fan and joined the Clippers Nation. Bandwagoner haha

You just proved my point. You know nothing. I'm a Nuggets fan.

Flash Falcon X · Post #15 » by **Flash Falcon X** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:12 am

Whopper_Sr wrote:
RoyalMajesty wrote:
bqmuzik wrote:
Ummm...the Clips roster with Doc Rivers is superior to GSW

Clippers are a jump shooting team outside of Blake and DeAndre. Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes, Byron Mullens, J.J. Redick, Jamal Crawford, Chris Paul, Darren Collison are all guys that likes to shoot. Teams can map out their defense on Clippers easily especially if their shots are not going down and that's what the Warriors did to them last season winning 3/4 against the Clippers.

And with Doc Rivers superior? Please. If he never had a super team, he would never got all this hype. He had the super team in Boston, but managed to win only 1 championship. 1 championship and that's during the season where there was 2 under .500 teams making the playoffs, 1 .500 team making the playoffs, 2 teams barely over .500 making the playoffs, 1 team with a once in a lifetime player and a bunch of scrubs, and another team with a crybaby and a bunch of guys that jacks up shots. The only competition was the Detroit Pistons.

Coach Jackson improved the team from 23 wins to 47 wins, didn't have a super team, his all-defense center missed 50 games last season, one of his key "3 and D" bench player missed the entire season after a tear on his knee, started 2 rookies last season at SF and center, played all 4 rookies in a particular role, got the best out of a unhealthy, all-star snub and made him tougher, developed a young SG in only his 2nd year, helped a double-double machine back to his all-star form, made 2 bench players into 6th man of the year candidates, changed the entire culture of the Warriors franchise into being a tough, defensive team, got the team being the 4th best opponent field goal percentage at 43.9% after being 20th best at 45.7% during the 2011-2012 season, and overturned the team from being the 28th best rebounding team during the 2011-2012 season to the 3rd best rebounding team last season. Let me remind you that this was his only 2nd season as a head coach considering that he never been a coach on any staff before including never being an assistant coach on any team.

You just sound like a huge Warriors apologist and nothing more. Take off your "homer glasses" and stop making excuses for your team.

How are those "excuses"? Those are actual facts. Mark Jackson did all of that for the Warriors organization and they had a lot of success.

Anyways, they won 47 games while Bogut was out injured a majority of the season and they had to start a rookie center in Festus Ezeli in his place. Just having Bogut back instantly makes them a tough 50+ win team. Then you add Harrison Barnes coming off the bench as a super sub, the young guys getting improved and more experienced after last season's playoff run, the acquisition of Andre Igoudala who adds another offensive and defensive weapon to the team, etc. etc. etc. the Warriors will be scary.

watpho71 · Post #16 » by **watpho71** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:48 am

Both teams will win 50+ games.
The Clippers have improved in the back court and they have players that complement each other well.
They got the coach they wanted. They will need big defensive improvements out of Griffin and Jordan in order to win in the playoffs.
The Warriors added Iguodala to give them another athletic body and defensive toughness. Klay Thompson will be asked to spark them off the bench, and seems to be accepting that roll. If they could have re-signed Jarrett Jack the Warriors would be the best team in the West.
The Clippers have more depth, but the Warriors are better 1-8.
Both teams should be competing for the best record in the West, not just the division.
It is possible that these two teams are the top two seeds in the West.

1. Clippers, 2. Spurs, 3. Thunder, 4. Warriors, 5. Grizzlies, 6. Rockets, 7. Nuggets, 8. Mavericks