Stein: Murry accepts training camp invite w/ Knicks

[Rock Bottom]

Not sure if minutes will ever be a problem on this team..

I know it's only a few years back (well since we got back into the playoffs) but we keep talking about minutes/roles then we never go into the season fully healthy, and never go into post season fully healthy..

[moocow007]

I dont think our need for a backup center will be as strong early in the season as it will midway and later

however our access to good options for backup centers may dwindle as the season continues

but overall Im more excited about the talent and potential of Murry than I am of any other player we have discussed, especially centers

in my mind Murry has more potential to make this team and serve us effectively than does Leslie. We shall see. I trust the actual architects and coaches who build the team and judge the players

Once JR Smith is healthy I can't really seeing any daylight for Murry at all. With Smith they'll have 3 PG's (Felton, Prigini, Udrih) and 3 SG's (Smith, Shumpert and Hardaway) that should slot ahead of him in the depth chart. I do like Murry but I don't think Murry will get much play unless a couple guys get injured.

which is totally fine

hes a developmental project
every team should have several

Tyler is the same IMO

projects like those two should be on the roster, should get burn in blowouts and should be on 2 yr unguarenteed deals

Hell, thats what Leslie is too

That's the problem IMO.

I can't see this team carrying essentially 4 rookie "slash" developmental players (Hardaway Jr being the 4th). Not with Smiths injury suspension double whammy, the uncertainty of how many games Stoudemire can play and recent durability issues with Chandler, Bargnani and Shumpert.

They could cut Leslie but I think the FO will want to hang on to him considering they see him as a 1st round pick value wise. One uneven summer league is a bit premature as a basis of cutting him.

The one good thing in any case is, this is a sign that Chris Smith won't be looking to see where his locker is on opening night.

[Thugger HBC]

If Murray makes the team, he essentially becomes the younger James White. He'll get some burn over the course of the year for sure, especially if woody runs the dual pg.

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[NoLayupRule]

If Murray makes the team, he essentially becomes the younger James White. He'll get some burn over the course of the year for sure, especially if woody runs the dual pg.

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Felton and Prigioni are solid defenders but Murry is probably today a better man to man defender than either

That's exceptionally valuable In a league that's seeing more and more guard domination. Steph Curry, Irving, Westbrook, etc etc etc. Shump can't defend all the PGs in the league. It's nice to develop a guy who can come in and potentially stop some of these guys for 10 mins.

[nykballa2k4]

I dont think our need for a backup center will be as strong early in the season as it will midway and later

however our access to good options for backup centers may dwindle as the season continues

but overall Im more excited about the talent and potential of Murry than I am of any other player we have discussed, especially centers

in my mind Murry has more potential to make this team and serve us effectively than does Leslie. We shall see. I trust the actual architects and coaches who build the team and judge the players

idk right now at point we have felton priggi and udrih. at small forward we have melo and Ron. Leslie could be good insurance if he gives effort. IMO we need a invite like stsckhouse or rip to give Leslie roster competition. Murray looks like an indicator of a trade mid season

I se Murry as a developmental player

someone we can groom over the season into a lock down defender, not someone we should consider relying on this year unless he really surprises and develops very quickly, or there is need via injury

at SF we should consider Shump an option too as he spent most of the season last year there

basically the conversation comes down to the last roster spot and the question of Leslie

do we fill the last spot with Hadaddi or Hamilton? then its between Leslie and Murry at that point. Unless we really do cut Tyler because of the injury, which I really dont think we do

IMO i would like to add a big man. So I am down for your Murry vs Leslie. May the best man win.

Still think that a trade will be in the works. We are looking for a home run and by adding "prospects" at this point, should they shine, they will be assets mid-season.

In all honesty, we could wind up with Priggi and Baron Davis as reserves for a true headliner such as Rondo.

[The Lamma]

I can name ten seven footers just as scrubby as the three guys you think are gets. I doubt you can name five 6'5 combo guards that play defense. Not to mention 22 years of age.

Awkward wording here. It sounds like you are saying you can name 10 available seven footers that are worse? Not sure what that proves. If you can name 10 that are better, go right ahead I'm all for it, I think we should sign one of them.

As for your five 6' 5" combo guards that play defense, you're the person clamoring for one. Ask the board if they think a serviceable 7 footer or a serviceable wing is easier to find. And none of it changes the fact that I see a backup center as more of a need for our team.

All of which is beside the point if you think I'm against bring Murry in, reread my first post in this thread 2 pages back

[siar617]

Thought you were against bringing in Murry. My point is that the three guys you mentioned are not good enough to let a future prospect go when we have no picks. Those guys or guys like them will be available all year long.

I also dont believe Murry shouldn't be look at as just a roster spot for this year. He along with Leslie should be treated more like future picks. Whether they play this year or not. Are picks are few if any so the chance to pick up young talent with potential is very important.

[Johnny Hoops]

I could see a Murry potentially coming in the game to try to cool down guys like Rose, Wall, Westbrook & Rondo.

True - we have 3 PG's in front of him but if our PGs are having a brutal time with some of these star combo-point guards it would be nice to have a guy like Murry that you can try against them defensively.

[moocow007]

I could see a Murry potentially coming in the game to try to cool down guys like Rose, Wall, Westbrook & Rondo.

True - we have 3 PG's in front of him but if our PGs are having a brutal time with some of these star combo-point guards it would be nice to have a guy like Murry that you can try against them defensively.

But that's kinda what Shumpert is there for, no? I know Woodson played him a lot at SF, but with Artest and with so many PF's on the roster I would imagine that maybe Carmelo shifts back to SF a bit more. That would seem to indicate that Shumpert would spend a good amount of time in the backcourt...guarding the better guard. Can't really imagine having both Shumpert and Murry in the backcourt for any length of time since neither are good running the point nor would they be considered plus offensive players.

[NoLayupRule]

I could see a Murry potentially coming in the game to try to cool down guys like Rose, Wall, Westbrook & Rondo.

True - we have 3 PG's in front of him but if our PGs are having a brutal time with some of these star combo-point guards it would be nice to have a guy like Murry that you can try against them defensively.

But that's kinda what Shumpert is there for, no? I know Woodson played him a lot at SF, but with Artest and with so many PF's on the roster I would imagine that maybe Carmelo shifts back to SF a bit more. That would seem to indicate that Shumpert would spend a good amount of time in the backcourt...guarding the better guard. Can't really imagine having both Shumpert and Murry in the backcourt for any length of time since neither are good running the point nor would they be considered plus offensive players.

I can imagine that quite well actually

Felton
Murry
Shump
Melo
Tyson

that wat we can have Felton play PG/SG on offense and SG or SF on D depending on the matchup
Shump and Murry take the defensive assignments.

remember Shump is a great defender but hes not always quick enough for the Walls and Irvings and Currys. Especially when you have them out there with Beal, Jack and Thompson respectively.

in todays league you need to be able to stop opposing PGs from penetrating and you have to do it without strength or relying on bigs to step in. You cant touch so you need speedy defenders

i think that role will be more important than the 3rd backup big will

[moocow007]

I could see a Murry potentially coming in the game to try to cool down guys like Rose, Wall, Westbrook & Rondo.

True - we have 3 PG's in front of him but if our PGs are having a brutal time with some of these star combo-point guards it would be nice to have a guy like Murry that you can try against them defensively.

But that's kinda what Shumpert is there for, no? I know Woodson played him a lot at SF, but with Artest and with so many PF's on the roster I would imagine that maybe Carmelo shifts back to SF a bit more. That would seem to indicate that Shumpert would spend a good amount of time in the backcourt...guarding the better guard. Can't really imagine having both Shumpert and Murry in the backcourt for any length of time since neither are good running the point nor would they be considered plus offensive players.

I can imagine that quite well actually

Felton
Murry
Shump
Melo
Tyson

that wat we can have Felton play PG/SG on offense and SG or SF on D depending on the matchup
Shump and Murry take the defensive assignments.

remember Shump is a great defender but hes not always quick enough for the Walls and Irvings and Currys. Especially when you have them out there with Beal, Jack and Thompson respectively.

in todays league you need to be able to stop opposing PGs from penetrating and you have to do it without strength or relying on bigs to step in. You cant touch so you need speedy defenders

i think that role will be more important than the 3rd backup big will

Other than Rose and the Bulls, the Knicks biggest need is someone that can physically handle/guard guys like George and Stephenson of the Pacers, Wade and Lebron of the Heat and Paul Pierce and Joe Johnson of the Nets. We shall see.

[Johnny Hoops]

I could see a Murry potentially coming in the game to try to cool down guys like Rose, Wall, Westbrook & Rondo.

True - we have 3 PG's in front of him but if our PGs are having a brutal time with some of these star combo-point guards it would be nice to have a guy like Murry that you can try against them defensively.

But that's kinda what Shumpert is there for, no? I know Woodson played him a lot at SF, but with Artest and with so many PF's on the roster I would imagine that maybe Carmelo shifts back to SF a bit more. That would seem to indicate that Shumpert would spend a good amount of time in the backcourt...guarding the better guard. Can't really imagine having both Shumpert and Murry in the backcourt for any length of time since neither are good running the point nor would they be considered plus offensive players.

Well - I thought Shump struggled to keep quick players in front of him last year --- I know he was coming off the injury. Given the 2 knee surgeries I view him as more of a physical defensive stopper at the SG position and depending on the match-up the PG position.

So in my opinion --- Murry appears to be better suited to defend pgs --- not saying Shump can't or won't but I do like Murry's ability to pressure full-court.

Agreed --- they wouldn't be a great offensive back-court playing together but they would be pretty damn good if we really needed defense in small spurts or to get stops at the end of games/quarters.


Just saying --- I think TMurry could have a small role in certain situations.

[Johnny Hoops]

But that's kinda what Shumpert is there for, no? I know Woodson played him a lot at SF, but with Artest and with so many PF's on the roster I would imagine that maybe Carmelo shifts back to SF a bit more. That would seem to indicate that Shumpert would spend a good amount of time in the backcourt...guarding the better guard. Can't really imagine having both Shumpert and Murry in the backcourt for any length of time since neither are good running the point nor would they be considered plus offensive players.

I can imagine that quite well actually

Felton
Murry
Shump
Melo
Tyson

that wat we can have Felton play PG/SG on offense and SG or SF on D depending on the matchup
Shump and Murry take the defensive assignments.

remember Shump is a great defender but hes not always quick enough for the Walls and Irvings and Currys. Especially when you have them out there with Beal, Jack and Thompson respectively.

in todays league you need to be able to stop opposing PGs from penetrating and you have to do it without strength or relying on bigs to step in. You cant touch so you need speedy defenders

i think that role will be more important than the 3rd backup big will

Other than Rose and the Bulls, the Knicks biggest need is someone that can physically handle/guard guys like George and Stephenson of the Pacers, Wade and Lebron of the Heat and Paul Pierce and Joe Johnson of the Nets. We shall see.

Well I would think that is why we have Shump and Artest on the roster.

[NoLayupRule]

Other than Rose and the Bulls, the Knicks biggest need is someone that can physically handle/guard guys like George and Stephenson of the Pacers, Wade and Lebron of the Heat and Paul Pierce and Joe Johnson of the Nets. We shall see.

well thats certainly not Hadaddi either. But I think if any of the invitees might make a difference in that regard its Murry. Not Leslie or Haddadi or whoever

[NoLayupRule]

Well - I thought Shump struggled to keep quick players in front of him last year --- I know he was coming off the injury. Given the 2 knee surgeries I view him as more of a physical defensive stopper at the SG position and depending on the match-up the PG position.

So in my opinion --- Murry appears to be better suited to defend pgs --- not saying Shump can't or won't but I do like Murry's ability to pressure full-court.

Agreed --- they wouldn't be a great offensive back-court playing together but they would be pretty damn good if we really needed defense in small spurts or to get stops at the end of games/quarters.


Just saying --- I think TMurry could have a small role in certain situations.

Shump guards SGs/SFs
If you have Deron, Johnson and Pierce on the floor you are gonna need Murry's defense on the perimeter and his 6 fouls

The more i think about him the more I want him on this team